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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 12:26 GMT
#3016
how did you all vanish? there were like four people in thread. Now its just me. Bleh. Fine, going to sleep.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 21:49 GMT
#3238
On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:
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On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:
On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:
On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored.


I think it's because you are not active enough
I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you.

It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit.


Well, I would not vote for the following reasons
  • The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
  • The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
  • The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
  • The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....



I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread.

Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me.

As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him.

Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him.


@risk.nuke

You have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here)

Ok, fair enough.

Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho...

What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town.

TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim...

you think acro faked his copclaim as well?

Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient.


09:30 - Flip
09:51 - Acro's first post after flip
10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip
13:20 - Acro's roleclaim

Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus.

Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real.


Holy shit. This post has merit. What have you done with Draz?

On November 26 2012 02:38 Keirathi wrote:
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On November 26 2012 02:31 risk.nuke wrote:
On November 26 2012 02:19 marvellosity wrote:
On November 26 2012 02:18 risk.nuke wrote:
Sadly people never listen to me and always end up being scolded for it in the postgame. Especially setup speculation which along with actionbehaviour is my backyard.


I always listen to you, I just don't let anyone know. Shh!

On a serious matter, if you think Chronicledude is town and telling the truth, why don't you think Toad is necessarily scum?

Yes but generally people assume I have extra knowledge and this is how they tend to react (pickyourpoison)

And CJ has the right of it. If acro is 1-shot he should had claimed immediately. And he did not push toad very hard.

While I would normally agree with this, since today isn't a lynch day and we can do nothing about Toad today, I don't think its unreasonable to think he would have waited until tomorrow.

In fact, I would have expected both of them to wait until tomorrow. THAT'S what I find weird.


there is town kp flying around. Why not make people aware of scum in our midst? I don't get this at all Keir. While we don't have a lynch we do have other abilities which we can use to eliminate scum players.

On November 26 2012 03:29 syllogism wrote:
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On November 26 2012 03:25 marvellosity wrote:
On November 26 2012 03:21 syllogism wrote:
I think those may potentially affect mission success, but in the end best and most likely design is based primarily on mafia being included in the team. I do not think a mission can fail if there is no mafia included; that kind of hidden mechanics are simply not fun. The only possible, and still unfun, exception I can see would be some kind of one-shot mafia ability, but I think they would have used that on n1.

In fact, I think the speculation revolving around whether we should include claimed characters or players with matching time period flavor is also misguided (dienosore and oats should be included because they were on a successful day 1 mission, although the roles do not hurt).

So, in short, ignore hp/roles, unless the claims themselves make someone more likely to be town.


Out of interest, any reason you advocate those 2 rather than yourself?

No, including me is fine.


why didn't you include yourself? Even though we did get a successful d1 it doesn't totally confirm the guys on that squad. I'd want to get on the quest if I thought I had any chance of that because I read my role pm, I know I'm town, that means there are only three people I have to trust instead of four. better odds.

On November 26 2012 03:40 Dienosore wrote:
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On November 26 2012 03:32 Keirathi wrote:
On November 26 2012 03:31 Dienosore wrote:
On November 26 2012 03:27 risk.nuke wrote:
Right now the general assumption is just that if one party member is mafia the party fails. But that doesn't make sense because then HSM would be useless.


I thought the general assumption was that my hidden modifier was boosted due to matching my role with the correct time period, enough so that I could potentially carry even if scum was on the team.

Does your role PM say anything about it being boosted if you're in the party during your era?

Mine doesn't, although I do get other bonuses when I'm in the party during my era.


No, it doesn't say I get a boost in my pm. I just assumed it because the likelyhood of syllo correctly picking 3 townies on day 1 was low, yet we still won the challenge.

It's highly possible Syllo just had some good reads, but surely having Frog in the squad during 600ad couldn't have hurt either.


no it wasn't. Which of oats and Kier of you do you think is scum? (Since you know your own alignment and clearly A scum Syllo would have been able to 100% pick three townies)

On November 26 2012 05:38 TheChronicler wrote:
I see. That doesn't explain clarity's defense of you.



the explanation is that you are an idiot and defending people against you makes sense because you are as dumb as a rock. Claim who you are. You said you wouldn't do it d1 but we're in the 3rd cycle now.

okay, hapa, Zbo and Syllo all have suspicions on me but won't respond to the things I say. You guys are all being idiots. If you are town you can't know my alignment. All that you can gain from actually interacting with me is more information. Now stop being so stubborn and actually reply to the things I have said.

Marv: you asked someone if I 'guessed' that you targeted Syllo too. What do you think? Did I guess it? Did I roleblock both you and Sand? What is truth?
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 21:51 GMT
#3239
On November 25 2012 21:07 Promethelax wrote:
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On November 25 2012 20:59 Promethelax wrote:
On November 25 2012 10:05 GreYMisT wrote:
10


almost exactly on the hour 12 hours ago...


err...10 hours ago. hurble gurble. Me stupid after work.

Acro, glad to have you back. Can you explain to me the contradiction in your play where you distrust Kier's low success modifier but also suggest that you have a similar low modifier.


Acro. Respond to this. And why did you ask about the downsides to my ability?
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 21:58 GMT
#3242
On November 26 2012 06:56 marvellosity wrote:
Prome, don't ask silly questions, I might have to start shouting at you.

Just tell me from your perspective, it's super easy.


Sorry, tell you if I knew/was guessing or tell you why you asked the question?
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 22:02 GMT
#3245
On November 26 2012 06:59 marvellosity wrote:
how you knew / if you were guessing that i visited syllo


I was guessing. What I knew was that anyone who targeted Syllo was roleblocked and I chose to present that educated guess as total truth to Sand which lead, i think, to us knowing what ability he was trying to use on Syllo last night since he didn't know how I 'knew' that he targeted Syllo and guessed I might know the ability name too.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 22:06 GMT
#3249
On November 26 2012 07:04 marvellosity wrote:
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On November 26 2012 07:02 Promethelax wrote:
On November 26 2012 06:59 marvellosity wrote:
how you knew / if you were guessing that i visited syllo


I was guessing. What I knew was that anyone who targeted Syllo was roleblocked and I chose to present that educated guess as total truth to Sand which lead, i think, to us knowing what ability he was trying to use on Syllo last night since he didn't know how I 'knew' that he targeted Syllo and guessed I might know the ability name too.


What were you trying to achieve in asking me why I'd visited syllo?


I don't trust you. I want to learn more (though I don't think that you are scum right now). The more I know the better. Also wanted to make you realize that I was telling the truth about my role.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 22:08 GMT
#3250
could we get a votecount, please and thanks
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 22:13 GMT
#3252
TC: you have enough gold for more things (you said you used 200 and that was not the number you started with) can you use popcorn again? And if so why did you not use it n2?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 22:18 GMT
#3258
On November 26 2012 07:15 marvellosity wrote:
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On November 26 2012 07:06 Promethelax wrote:
On November 26 2012 07:04 marvellosity wrote:
On November 26 2012 07:02 Promethelax wrote:
On November 26 2012 06:59 marvellosity wrote:
how you knew / if you were guessing that i visited syllo


I was guessing. What I knew was that anyone who targeted Syllo was roleblocked and I chose to present that educated guess as total truth to Sand which lead, i think, to us knowing what ability he was trying to use on Syllo last night since he didn't know how I 'knew' that he targeted Syllo and guessed I might know the ability name too.


What were you trying to achieve in asking me why I'd visited syllo?


I don't trust you. I want to learn more (though I don't think that you are scum right now). The more I know the better. Also wanted to make you realize that I was telling the truth about my role.


you thought your distrust of me was worth outing my role?


I thought that it was worth outing your target. You outed your role. Your target was something I wanted town to know if I died (unlikely but possible).

TC, respond to my question.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 22:25 GMT
#3261
I will reveal your identity if you don't.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 22:27 GMT
#3263
On November 26 2012 07:25 TheChronicler wrote:
Ebwop: why are you so eager to know what I did last night? By extension, why are you trying to get me to give scum information?


because you are a claimed cop. I want to know your checks from the previous cycle. You have a big ole target painted on your back already. Also now that I realize who you are I'm more annoyed. You are better than this.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 22:29 GMT
#3265
On November 26 2012 07:27 phagga wrote:
Ok, I've updated my read on GK and I would no longer lynch him. When the D2 lynch came to a close, he asked people to consolidate on either sandroba or Toad. He tried to shut down any discussion that would bring in new candidates. considering that Sandro is confirmed scum and Toad is very very likely scum, I don't see the mafia motivation behind is behaviour.

also, the way he acts D3 seems more pro-town than on the first day. All in all, I put GK on null for the moment.


he tried to get us to consolidate on one of two scum players and you are null on him? I'm confused.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 22:32 GMT
#3269
eh, I'll refrain from revealing it for now but I'd like you to think about the fact that I know who you are. Rise to the challenge and play well instead of trolly as fuck and dumb because you can get away with it.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 22:32 GMT
#3270
On November 26 2012 07:31 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 07:29 Promethelax wrote:
On November 26 2012 07:27 phagga wrote:
Ok, I've updated my read on GK and I would no longer lynch him. When the D2 lynch came to a close, he asked people to consolidate on either sandroba or Toad. He tried to shut down any discussion that would bring in new candidates. considering that Sandro is confirmed scum and Toad is very very likely scum, I don't see the mafia motivation behind is behaviour.

also, the way he acts D3 seems more pro-town than on the first day. All in all, I put GK on null for the moment.


he tried to get us to consolidate on one of two scum players and you are null on him? I'm confused.


Why? Scum would benefit in this situation when the thread derails/new candidates are brought forths, so I don't see the scum motivation in doing what GK did.


so why is it a null read? Which was my point.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 22:33 GMT
#3272
Zbo: last thing you posted about me:
On November 25 2012 13:21 Z-BosoN wrote:
Prom, get back to you in a sec, reading your response.

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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 22:35 GMT
#3277
oh wait, sorry. I'm an idiot. It was here:
On November 25 2012 14:24 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well, I've just taken a long and hard look at prom's filters and to me it checks out - he looks much better after defending himself. We'll never know if that's exactly what happened at the time or if his reasoning on kita is just something he came up with right now, but let's see where his play leads us.
Gonna check hopeless out, from a quick skim of his filter the guy looks hella scummy.


sorry man. took me three read throughs of your filter.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 22:41 GMT
#3281
On November 26 2012 07:38 TheChronicler wrote:
Lol, I'm not who you think I am.

I'll be posting from my computer soon enough and I'll be able to make actual cases not just take snips at people.

I think my results should speak for themselves and how I'm playing this game soon enough. That's all I'll say for now.


I'll drop it for now. I'd be happier with you if you would reveal yourself but it is your right to play your way for now. But I'm watching.

On November 26 2012 07:39 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 07:34 Z-BosoN wrote:
On November 26 2012 07:27 phagga wrote:
Ok, I've updated my read on GK and I would no longer lynch him. When the D2 lynch came to a close, he asked people to consolidate on either sandroba or Toad. He tried to shut down any discussion that would bring in new candidates. considering that Sandro is confirmed scum and Toad is very very likely scum, I don't see the mafia motivation behind is behaviour.

also, the way he acts D3 seems more pro-town than on the first day. All in all, I put GK on null for the moment.


You are saying that you expected scum to go ahead and try to sway the lynch of another scum with 10+ on them? Nah, I'm pretty sure scum bussed sand hardcore.


Well, now that you mention it, it could be a bus, but I see it as very unlikely. There is a difference between bussing and activily trying to get people to consolidate.

@Prom It's because I'm paranoid and very cautions with townreads.


okay, I can except paranoia. I'm a fan of it.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 22:52 GMT
#3290
On November 26 2012 07:47 Hassybaby wrote:
No seriously, when's the voting supposed to end?


@8:00 kst tomorrow, almost exactly 24 hours
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Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 22:54 GMT
#3293
On November 26 2012 07:53 Keirathi wrote:
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On November 26 2012 07:52 Promethelax wrote:
On November 26 2012 07:47 Hassybaby wrote:
No seriously, when's the voting supposed to end?


@8:00 kst tomorrow, almost exactly 24 hours

So, so slow.

I kid, I kid


I know that wasn't even a ninja I was so far behind it was a ninja with a delorian.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 25 2012 22:56 GMT
#3294
hah, I was faster than [redacted]
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