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On November 15 2012 08:36 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 08:36 iamperfection wrote:On November 15 2012 08:34 Hapahauli wrote:On November 15 2012 08:33 Blazinghand wrote:On November 15 2012 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:
Hell you're entire read on me is OMGUS and that I'm somehow not following my principles. This is retarded and I can't imagine you'd ever come up with this shit as town. By all means show me how I'm not - the "overkill" read I've mentioned in some of my other town games as well. I'm not sure how debears questionable posting and his bombastic aggression towards you is indicative of him being scum. If I were trying to advise debears, a relatively (though not super) new player on who to attack, I'd not suggest you, and I'd certainly not say to do so the way he's done. His aggression against you isn't particularly townie but I don't get why you get scum vibes from it. Because it's completely illogical and in pure OMGUS. He started it the SECOND his lynch started gaining traction. Way too convenient. Well usually your pretty good at putting yourself in other peoples shoes hapa. If i was in his shoes and town and someone that coached me said i was scum i would be pretty suspicious of him. No you wouldnt
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Dp what do you think of me?
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On November 15 2012 09:50 Hapahauli wrote:http://postimage.org/image/9ilt0jqpt/Hapa = Melvin Z-Bo = Paulo The above is a small snip of a skype convo we had a few weeks back. I obviously don't want to screenshot the whole thing (it goes on a while), but this should get the gist of it - Z-Bo really wanted to play a less-active style of play and was running it by me (I advised against it, but he was unconvinced throughout). This makes me think that this could be town Z-Bo. I know what Ver's guide says about the random 1-liners and what not but I really just disagree with it in this specific case. I think it's just a product of him wanting to post less. He could be scum, but at the end of the day, debears is much scummier to me.
that all from the skype conversation?
He doesn't really say much about changing his style fundamentally there just that he is going to post less and he failed to do so.
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On November 15 2012 10:00 debears wrote:@DPShow nested quote +I am surprised more of you didn;t go WTF when you read this I think only HAPA did. But this demonstrates a scum mindset.
With me. I start many cases feel that they aren't working and move on maybe saving some things for later.
The way he express how he went about his case on me Is how scum feel when making cases. It doesn;t really work but you push through and try to find things that stick.
To me this is a quite revealing mindset possessed by clarity.
This has already been explained by Clarity. After rereading, you should see what he means. Also, DP I find it odd how you say all day that you don't want to push a read, but now you do. From what I thought, I believed you said that you would come in n1/d2 to post more. Yet, you are doing it here an hour before lynch. Why?
you didnt just fucking say that did you if someone wants to contribute let him fucking contribute.
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On November 15 2012 10:03 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 09:58 iamperfection wrote:On November 15 2012 09:50 Hapahauli wrote:http://postimage.org/image/9ilt0jqpt/Hapa = Melvin Z-Bo = Paulo The above is a small snip of a skype convo we had a few weeks back. I obviously don't want to screenshot the whole thing (it goes on a while), but this should get the gist of it - Z-Bo really wanted to play a less-active style of play and was running it by me (I advised against it, but he was unconvinced throughout). This makes me think that this could be town Z-Bo. I know what Ver's guide says about the random 1-liners and what not but I really just disagree with it in this specific case. I think it's just a product of him wanting to post less. He could be scum, but at the end of the day, debears is much scummier to me. that all from the skype conversation? He doesn't really say much about changing his style fundamentally there just that he is going to post less and he failed to do so. Oh also, it doesn't really look like some "fundamental" change to me. He's just posting less, and his individual posts are longer. When you do that, the "fundamental" changes that marv points out (i.e. lack of jokes) are a pretty natural outcome. Like I can see him being scum here, but based on our conversations, I think he can do this as town.
Well from my own play i find it very difficult to change stylistically i was able to keep it up for a while in gsl III but really the wheels fell off pretty quickly when im expected to not give a fuck about suspicion on me and to be funny all the time.
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On November 15 2012 10:06 Crossfire99 wrote:Yeah, so I just started to write the below post at school when the internet crapped out on me + Show Spoiler + and I could no longer to connect to team liquid. I just got home, so I am posting this now. Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 03:11 debears wrote:On November 15 2012 03:04 strongandbig wrote:AT: "this is a dumb town claim but a dumber scum claim" I have yet to see why this is true. I addressed in this post why BH specifically would make this fakeclaim as scum right now. To summarize, it's a combination of reasons: he really enjoys trolling, and he knows how good of an idea making an unverifiable fakeclaim is as scum under pressure in the current TL meta. your argument "if he's alive in a few days" is terrible. if, in theory, he was town, there would be no reason for scum to kill him above anyone else; they could just roleblock him forever now that he's claimed, and he's taking enough heat that town doesn't get any kind of "confirmed townie" advantage from having him alive. all that said, debears is still my second lynch choice. I guess I should say more about him than "kenpachi rule", but I won't right now because I don't have time. That's cool. Second scum read for no reason. Good scumhunting. Here's my problem with lynching BH today. Why the fuck would the scum risk a teammate on a jk claim, out of all claims this early d1? 1) They have no/little power roles so they don't believe there are many blues this games. Even that is a retarded assumption because the roles on one side don't necessarily affect the roles on another. a. They are a weak scumteam and believe they can't win by pure ability b. They feel like fucking around with a fakeclaim c. They wanted to out the jk/rb day1 d. BH felt honestly at threat even though he has 2 teammates that can help him e. They want to give town plenty of time to counterclaim Those three reasons are dogshit reasons to do it. I see number one as most plausible 2)There is no 2 for mafia. cuz nothing else makes sense Why would town BH claim so early? 1) He's being dumb 2) He doesn't feel like fighting off a lynch 3) He can help eliminate a lynch option day 1 when he knows he fucked up Both views are retarded. The mafia view requires WAY more assumptions. Ockham's razor brah I don't know if the mafia way requires more assumptions. Even if it does and "seems" like the least likely option it might not be. I'll give you two examples from my two recent games. In Aperature 2, the godfather was lynched day 1 with 4 votes with me being the hammer. It was plurality lynch with 13 players. There was assumed to be a 3 man scum team (which there was btw, even if there was only a 2 man scum team, my point still holds). I wasn't scum (I was 3rd party) and I assumed that there was no way that the other 3 guys were scum. It made no sense to me because all they had to do was switch off onto someone else with 2 votes before I voted (I voted very late day 1 IIRC), and then that guy was going to be lynched. It turns out there was a scum bussing the godfather day 1 because of extenuating irl circumstances for the godfather. In my last game, WLIIA, strong claimed blue night 1 as scum and we all believed him because his name claim matched with the other blues in the game. I even made a post attacking the two remaining "non confirmed" townies in the game because one of them had to be scum. Even though they both played really townie and I said so in my cases on them, it still was the "most likely" solution. It turns out it wasn't the case and I eventually began to doubt strong's claim, which was the right thing to do. Both of those examples show that just because something seems "more likely" doesn't mean it is so. We don't know what is going on in the mafia qt, so we just have to look for scummy behavior. We have found scummy behavior in blazing. Strong went over this in the post listed below. + Show Spoiler + On November 14 2012 23:06 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 12:39 Blazinghand wrote:
anyone who would lynch a claimed blue D1 has serious issues that sir is what's called "pushing your luck" Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 13:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Thrawn is more right than he's wrong. More stalling, excuses, and mentioning other games in progress from DP.
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##vote: Darthpunk BH posted this after reading exactly the same explanation from DP that I read, and exactly the same comments on DP's meta from marv as I read, and doing exactly the same amount of work looking into DP's actual scum/town meta as I did (none) - and yet he comes up with a vote? Without at all addressing the points from Marv and from himself about DP's meta? And without addressing the other game in progress issue - which isn't an "unverifiable irl excuse," we can go look at the thread - and yet he comes up with a vote? guys what we have out of BH is not just a scummy and needless claim - we have a scummy and needless claim from a player who isn't playing up to his usual town standard in several ways - bad cases - trolling/fluff while taking the easy opportunity to gain points by attacking other people for fluff and most importantly - the huge mismatch in thread presence, thread control, and town organization between BH's last town game (whose line) and this game And then we have Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 12:39 Blazinghand wrote:
anyone who would lynch a claimed blue D1 has serious issues BH psychology: he just saw me do well - not win, except for self-declaring victory, but do much better than I should have given how the game started out - he saw me do well by fakeclaiming blue and then really pushing that fakeclaim hard. He also just had what I assume must be a trollgasm from evoking ridiculous reactions from Keirathi in that same game. Now he's claimed blue for no good reason, and it's a blue role that he can "verify" easily by withholding KP, or that he can make unverifiable by claiming to be roleblocked. There's no way a town BH decides "there are 3 or 4 votes on me, like 30 hours before the lynch - time to claim!" I just don't believe that thought process is real. ##vote: blazinghand This post on blazing is making me change my mind about strong. I like his reasoning and I now see him as more townie than scummy. He did post a lot of unnecessary fluff and one liners, but I did that in my last game, WLIIA, and I was town. ##Vote Blazinghand
its not happening bro.
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On November 15 2012 10:08 marvellosity wrote:
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##vote: crossfire99
you really think after that shit he is scum. He seems pretty clueless to me.
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On November 15 2012 10:10 Crossfire99 wrote:What do you want me to do about my internet? I can't help it. That is what I was working on when my internet crapped out, so I'm posting it now.
stop it posts reads on other players right now ignore the sudden bandwagon ppl are being silly. post reads
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On November 15 2012 10:10 marvellosity wrote:
why is he making that post instead of bothering to read the thread, where BH is clearly not a possibility?
It's just nonsense.
exactly its so terrible.
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On November 15 2012 10:12 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:10 marvellosity wrote:
why is he making that post instead of bothering to read the thread, where BH is clearly not a possibility?
It's just nonsense. I didn't want to get modkilled, so I posted that post that I had written up before. I am here now catching up, but I still think bh is scummy. I already mentioned that. Ugh.
talk about other shit or you will die.
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On November 15 2012 10:13 Blazinghand wrote:
man I definitely don't have a right to call play unacceptable this game, but crossfire's play is unacceptable this game
are goal is to find fucking scum not to determine who is fucking playing right.
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On November 15 2012 10:14 Blazinghand wrote:
no, the shenannnies are good, crossfire needs to be lynched
like, he's pulled some crap about posting a case he already had but look at his play this game
That post was not claiming scum.
Obviously he has been terrible but terrible scum or terrible town. CROSSFIRE would have been well aware that your jk claim was true or not if he was scum and you were telling the truth. I dont see him coming out of nowhere like that as scum.
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On November 15 2012 10:17 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:16 iamperfection wrote:On November 15 2012 10:14 Blazinghand wrote:
no, the shenannnies are good, crossfire needs to be lynched
like, he's pulled some crap about posting a case he already had but look at his play this game That post was not claiming scum. Obviously he has been terrible but terrible scum or terrible town. CROSSFIRE would have been well aware that your jk claim was true or not if he was scum and you were telling the truth. I dont see him coming out of nowhere like that as scum. That's actually a very good point. Iamp current thought on hopeless gogogo
he's an asshole
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On November 15 2012 10:18 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:18 iamperfection wrote:On November 15 2012 10:17 debears wrote:On November 15 2012 10:16 iamperfection wrote:On November 15 2012 10:14 Blazinghand wrote:
no, the shenannnies are good, crossfire needs to be lynched
like, he's pulled some crap about posting a case he already had but look at his play this game That post was not claiming scum. Obviously he has been terrible but terrible scum or terrible town. CROSSFIRE would have been well aware that your jk claim was true or not if he was scum and you were telling the truth. I dont see him coming out of nowhere like that as scum. That's actually a very good point. Iamp current thought on hopeless gogogo he's an asshole But is he scummy or townie?
flip a coin
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On November 15 2012 10:19 debears wrote:
Guys we need consolidate now plzzzzzz
you need to chill theres still plenty of time
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On November 15 2012 10:20 DarthPunk wrote:
holy shit this thread is moving fast.
OK. I was not suggesting we switch on to clarity. What I was doing is making a case I was convinced of as I promised. Obviously we are not going to lynch him. Did you see a vote?
I don't care if clarity explained something scummy away. It speaks of his mindset and the excuse was weak.
@ Perfection. You are probably town based on my meta read on you. If you are not town I don;t think you could keep up the charade for long enough anyway.
@Everyone
If you are voting for crossfire it is not because you are sure he is scum. It is because he was being bad. it's a coinflip.
@Blazinghand.
Explain to me how I just 'claimed' scum.
Marvs case on ZB is really good. There is a strong correlation between his play this game and his scum game.
The same sense of disconnect with the cases he is pushing.
I would vote for him or hopeless
But I like the case on ZB better
##Vote: Z -Boson
so you made a case for shits and giggles?
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Crossfire if you run away right now i will be super pissed the next 30 or so min of your belong in this thread right now.
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On November 15 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote:Holy scumslip DP iamp - good stuff Show nested quote +OK. I was not suggesting we switch on to clarity. What I was doing is making a case I was convinced of as I promised. Obviously we are not going to lynch him. Did you see a vote? ##unvote##Vote DarthPunk
ya i dont like that hapa i wouldn't call it a scum slip its a more of being stupid slip.
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i lol every time i look at the full version of the vote count
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