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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 25 2012 20:23 GMT
#11
/in

I will not be modkillllll....

Mattchew the sexy has been modkilled!
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 01 2012 01:17 GMT
#105
Release and zealos are probably scum




Release comes in to the thread with this post and edit

On November 01 2012 09:00 Release wrote:
to everyone:

Are we asking Millers or Masons to claim? prplhz (the origin of the idea) said millers and now kushmasta has asked for masons to claim (although he does avoid saying mason).

I have to say already that kshmasta is looking scummy.

Since i don't see the advantage of a miller claim, i'd like to know why a miller should claim (from both prplhz and hope in particular).
I'd also like to hear from kushmasta why you avoided saying mason.

On November 01 2012 09:01 Release wrote:
EBWOP: those are three separate ideas, although kushmasta is looking scummy for both trying to change who should claim and being deceitful about it.


He accuses kushmasta of... honestly i dont know... especially after he asks about the discussion being about masons or millers. Kush misread the thread / roles being discussed and thought millers = masons... calling him scum for this is the biggest stretch i have seen in a while. there is no way anyone with any level of reading comprehension would draw these conclusions from kush's posting and reading the thread around it

release is trying to look like he is scum hunting by skewing kush's words from the thread.




Zealos is probably scum too.

He immediately jumps into the thread (after promising to be active this game) with 2 posts that are setup talk and literally basically say nothing.


On November 01 2012 09:06 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 09:00 Release wrote:
to everyone:

Are we asking Millers or Masons to claim? prplhz (the origin of the idea) said millers and now kushmasta has asked for masons to claim (although he does avoid saying mason).

I don't like the idea of masons claiming at all? o.O

On November 01 2012 09:09 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 09:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
release, you are looking scummy. what was kush "deceitful" about? your accusation against him is spin-city

thinking prplhz meant mason when he said miller is what kush did, i even did it to for a while... i don't see how it even comes close to being deceitful

I highly doubt a mafia would get so aggressive right off the bat imo. Just seems like dumb reasoning, is all.


The thing is though, he jumps on the fact that masons are being talked about. Other than Kush mis-reading the thread there has been no talks of masons claiming.

He then follows this with a really soft defense of release saying that mafia wouldnt be that aggressive.
A. I would hardly call release's posting aggressive, trying to paint it as aggressive is deceptive and super scummy.
B. Scum can be aggressive and passive all the time, but he is trying to paint aggressiveness as townie, while giving that trait to release




##vote Release
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 01 2012 01:52 GMT
#114
Townies are way more likely to mis-post than scum, because they post more freely, its something i commonly look for when I am in between reads on someone

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 01 2012 01:54 GMT
#118
On November 01 2012 10:40 Acrofales wrote:

Zealos is being Zealos. I have nothing much to say about him yet.

can you expand and explain this to me like im 5
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 01 2012 01:59 GMT
#120
also, with only 13 players confirming 2 townies would skew the numbers in town's favor pretty heavily so its not the worst idea in the world.. at the same time i am not really good at claiming lol so w/e
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 01 2012 02:07 GMT
#125
On November 01 2012 10:59 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 01 2012 10:40 Acrofales wrote:
Hi Mattchew. On the one hand I agree with you, although for different reasons. However, I have seen this kind of finger pointing go terribly wrong too often. It is entirely possible Release is a newbienoob (which I kinda suspect given that I have no clue who he is) and is simply jumping on the first bad play of the game, in what I will happily call the second bad play of the game.

My main problem with Release is this post:
On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote:
On November 01 2012 09:05 kushm4sta wrote:
On November 01 2012 09:01 Release wrote:
EBWOP: those are three separate ideas, although kushmasta is looking scummy for both trying to change who should claim and being deceitful about it.

I'm not being deceitful about it, I just got their names mixed up.
I think they should probably both claim actually.

@release
Are you suggesting that I'm trying to trick power roles like vig, dt, etc into mass claiming?

Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death?

well, you were assigning Mason traits to the miller, which led to the confusion that it did between who should claim.

Also, you didn't mention mason but the "town who can talk to each other." You avoided saying mason. Mason is clear. "town who can talk to each other" could be mason, but could be miller if someone assumed you were talking about who YOU thought "could talk to each other."

Mafia is a game in which posts can't be editted. People tend to check their posts for any dubious or tentative information. I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose.

I wasn't talking about the mass claim. That was rather obvious.

This is pathetic and reaks of scum. While I was willing to write off his first post as one derp of accusing another derp, this one just seems malevolent. He is trying to paint a scum reason for making a mistake and dreaming up wild unprovable theories in the process. This is not a town move. It's an easy way for scum to (try to) get a mislynch bandwagon going. Nevertheless, it's a terrible scumplay. Holding off on my vote to see where this goes.


Zealos is being Zealos. I have nothing much to say about him yet.


Acro, I just want to confirm that you think Kush derped (i.e. is probably town) and that Release might have derped but it was very scummy and you'd lean towards him being scum. Is that correct?

That is correct.

@Release: I could vote for you, but there's no point yet. Why the rush with over 40 hours left in D1? As I said at the top of that post: I don't like your followup and can easily read a scum motive into it. However, it's D1 and tunneling on one player is not the way I like to play D1 (it leads to a mislynch 90% of the time).

yeah im voting because of the opposite, often on day 1 town loses focus and direction for its lynch and ends up in a last minute scramble. I trust my early reads pretty heavily so it will take a lot to move my vote right now
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 01 2012 02:08 GMT
#126
Acro, do you think zealos knows better than to call aggression a townie quality?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 01 2012 02:24 GMT
#129
he does say "i highly doubt a mafia would get so aggressive right off the bat"

a mafia is the key word(s) that defines it as a general read

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 01 2012 02:26 GMT
#130
release what do you think of zealos's posts
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 01 2012 03:05 GMT
#135
he's not pointing out a contradiction in your opinion he is asking if you are so adamantly against it, why even bring it up?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 01 2012 03:58 GMT
#152
lol what in the hell... and i thought i had weird/bad claims
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 01 2012 04:09 GMT
#159
nah i wanna judge his other actions.. he doesn't need to claim his buddy nor does his buddy need to claim... yet

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 01 2012 04:13 GMT
#161
....hey
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 01 2012 13:25 GMT
#177
something just feels so wrong when prp has a town read on me

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 01 2012 16:13 GMT
#197
##unvote

Yeah I wanna hear a lot more... Acro and muso your partners need to claim there is too much question involved in what seems to be an attempt at a "setup confirmed" lynch plan
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 01 2012 18:22 GMT
#211
Lol if muso has a town partner he should claim now to avoid a mislynch... Anything else would be brain dead logic
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 01 2012 18:38 GMT
#214
If acro and muso both have people claim their mason buddies we go back to gameplay analysis... I would not lynch either based on their posting thus far
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 02 2012 01:20 GMT
#239
On November 02 2012 09:23 kushm4sta wrote:
I think it is the natural tendency of mafia to accuse people on things that they themselves are guilty of. As mafia you are hyper aware of your own mistakes and that gives the mind a convenient go to for what to look for in other people.

Mattchew hypothetically accuses release of something that he is actually also guilty of!
Release jumps on me for a stupid reason. Mattchew jumps on Realease for a stupid reason.
Show nested quote +
He accuses kushmasta of... honestly i dont know... especially after he asks about the discussion being about masons or millers. Kush misread the thread / roles being discussed and thought millers = masons... calling him scum for this is the biggest stretch i have seen in a while. there is no way anyone with any level of reading comprehension would draw these conclusions from kush's posting and reading the thread around it

release is trying to look like he is scum hunting by skewing kush's words from the thread.

So essentially you are accusing him because of bad "reading comprehension." That is kind of the same thing he accuses me of though.




Then this:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 11:07 Mattchew wrote:
On November 01 2012 10:59 Acrofales wrote:
On November 01 2012 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 01 2012 10:40 Acrofales wrote:
Hi Mattchew. On the one hand I agree with you, although for different reasons. However, I have seen this kind of finger pointing go terribly wrong too often. It is entirely possible Release is a newbienoob (which I kinda suspect given that I have no clue who he is) and is simply jumping on the first bad play of the game, in what I will happily call the second bad play of the game.

My main problem with Release is this post:
On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote:
On November 01 2012 09:05 kushm4sta wrote:
On November 01 2012 09:01 Release wrote:
EBWOP: those are three separate ideas, although kushmasta is looking scummy for both trying to change who should claim and being deceitful about it.

I'm not being deceitful about it, I just got their names mixed up.
I think they should probably both claim actually.

@release
Are you suggesting that I'm trying to trick power roles like vig, dt, etc into mass claiming?

Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death?

well, you were assigning Mason traits to the miller, which led to the confusion that it did between who should claim.

Also, you didn't mention mason but the "town who can talk to each other." You avoided saying mason. Mason is clear. "town who can talk to each other" could be mason, but could be miller if someone assumed you were talking about who YOU thought "could talk to each other."

Mafia is a game in which posts can't be editted. People tend to check their posts for any dubious or tentative information. I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose.

I wasn't talking about the mass claim. That was rather obvious.

This is pathetic and reaks of scum. While I was willing to write off his first post as one derp of accusing another derp, this one just seems malevolent. He is trying to paint a scum reason for making a mistake and dreaming up wild unprovable theories in the process. This is not a town move. It's an easy way for scum to (try to) get a mislynch bandwagon going. Nevertheless, it's a terrible scumplay. Holding off on my vote to see where this goes.


Zealos is being Zealos. I have nothing much to say about him yet.


Acro, I just want to confirm that you think Kush derped (i.e. is probably town) and that Release might have derped but it was very scummy and you'd lean towards him being scum. Is that correct?

That is correct.

@Release: I could vote for you, but there's no point yet. Why the rush with over 40 hours left in D1? As I said at the top of that post: I don't like your followup and can easily read a scum motive into it. However, it's D1 and tunneling on one player is not the way I like to play D1 (it leads to a mislynch 90% of the time).

yeah im voting because of the opposite, often on day 1 town loses focus and direction for its lynch and ends up in a last minute scramble. I trust my early reads pretty heavily so it will take a lot to move my vote right now

Are your early reads right a lot? Most people haven't even talked yet at this point, but you overblow this release case to the point where you already know who you want to lynch.

I think Mattchew was being hypocritical and overzealous in his attack on Release.
fos mattchew
Someone with a meta read, is Mattchew usually this decisive for weak reasons?

are you thick?

I think release is scum because he skewed what you said and jumped on the opportunity to do so to call you scum... His reasoning is so flawed... I also believe I said that there was no conceivable way his reading comp was that bad, meaning I believe he did this intentionally
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 02 2012 01:22 GMT
#240
Oh and my early reads are usually pretty good depending on the game
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 02 2012 01:24 GMT
#242
Also we should just kill muso... I have no idea what he's talking about or trying to do especially from a town perspective...

##vote muso
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 02 2012 16:23 GMT
#321
Let's go back to killing muso or release... Also acro's fake claim play was really fucking weird.. I have to look back at the timing of it when I'm on a comp a little later
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 03 2012 01:32 GMT
#449
On November 01 2012 11:20 Release wrote:
Do not use this post later to claim that i am shifting attention off myself. I acknowledge that I am under suspicion.

So in the flurry of comment regarding the claiming, we seem to have dismissed the possibility of enacting a Lynch-all-liars policy. The main con i see if we do enact it is that we can't pull use fishing for reactions as freely. The main pro, however, is that people can't claim to be fishing for reactions. Another consequence is that more information is in the thread. Both town and mafia know more about true intentions and can react accordingly.

Personally, i am against such a policy because people can very easily say "i changed my mind" and blame/vindication will tend to be imposed base on a town/scum flip.

On November 02 2012 11:27 Release wrote:
##Vote: Muso

con-tra-dick-shun
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 03 2012 02:46 GMT
#452
On November 03 2012 10:50 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2012 10:32 Mattchew wrote:
On November 01 2012 11:20 Release wrote:
Do not use this post later to claim that i am shifting attention off myself. I acknowledge that I am under suspicion.

So in the flurry of comment regarding the claiming, we seem to have dismissed the possibility of enacting a Lynch-all-liars policy. The main con i see if we do enact it is that we can't pull use fishing for reactions as freely. The main pro, however, is that people can't claim to be fishing for reactions. Another consequence is that more information is in the thread. Both town and mafia know more about true intentions and can react accordingly.

Personally, i am against such a policy because people can very easily say "i changed my mind" and blame/vindication will tend to be imposed base on a town/scum flip.

On November 02 2012 11:27 Release wrote:
##Vote: Muso

con-tra-dick-shun

You expected me to deliberately not vote what appeared to be very scummy behavior?
Hell, i could have chosen accro too if i wanted to lynch-all-liars. I chose Muso for the scummy manner in which he lied.

His "very scummy behavior" was lying...
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 03 2012 02:49 GMT
#453
But fuck you didn't take the easy scum way out by saying "I didn't vote to lynch him though herp derp" bah why you gotta score townie points and fuck up my tunnel vision
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 03 2012 14:54 GMT
#473
If WBg balanced this game then one of me/acro/risk/prplhz are scum... I don't think acro is cause he woulda known Muso was town and that would be a crazy fucking move for a scum to make

Risk idk about because this is how he always plays.. Prp I felt off about and its real weird that prp would have a town read on me and then prom would come into the game knowing prp's thoughts and alignment and disregard that

I am posting from my phone I have been traveling to friends to get on a comp (I'm in nj with no power)
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 03 2012 22:05 GMT
#501
prom can you point out where i said that in the past... i simply dont remember writing that

should i die

Acro - I feel is townie, but i think his scum is better than my town so be on alert

I feel that Risk plays like this as town.

kush is kush, and it would take serious scum balls to say a lot of the shit he has

thrawn has shared a lot of the same thoughts and thought processes that i have had... he is one of my stronger town reads

release earned some serious mutha fucking town points with me when he answered to my accusation by explaining his thought process and not taking the easy way out. I would not lynch him as of now

I think hopeless has a pretty decent chance of flipping scum. His posts are long but usually contain a lot of summary with very little opinion on a lot of things, and barely any thought process sharing

Darthpunk could also be scum, he's pretty quick to hop on any little "easy to lynch" reason presented in the thread. He doesn't seem to be actively scum hunting either

i dont have time to read into draz even though i opened his filter or anyone else

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 03 2012 22:55 GMT
#507
Gg Obs plz
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 18 2012 04:31 GMT
#2274
On November 18 2012 10:23 DarthPunk wrote:
Props to debears, Kier and marv for figuring shit out in the obs thread.

what about the real game?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 18 2012 04:32 GMT
#2275
On November 04 2012 07:05 Mattchew wrote:
prom can you point out where i said that in the past... i simply dont remember writing that

should i die

Acro - I feel is townie, but i think his scum is better than my town so be on alert

I feel that Risk plays like this as town.

kush is kush, and it would take serious scum balls to say a lot of the shit he has

thrawn has shared a lot of the same thoughts and thought processes that i have had... he is one of my stronger town reads

release earned some serious mutha fucking town points with me when he answered to my accusation by explaining his thought process and not taking the easy way out. I would not lynch him as of now

I think hopeless has a pretty decent chance of flipping scum. His posts are long but usually contain a lot of summary with very little opinion on a lot of things, and barely any thought process sharing

Darthpunk could also be scum, he's pretty quick to hop on any little "easy to lynch" reason presented in the thread. He doesn't seem to be actively scum hunting either

i dont have time to read into draz even though i opened his filter or anyone else



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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 18 2012 05:46 GMT
#2278
On November 18 2012 14:13 Hopeless1der wrote:
I guess its pretty obvious why you had to go Matt.

but i think that post was after the deadline of atleast you submitting your kills :/
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