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On October 05 2012 01:44 Drazerk wrote: Scum buddies both lying its not even hard to lie about that Then they are both outed....? Kill one and the other one is confirmed scum. Check one (DT/tracker/watcher/etc) and the other one is confirmed scum. Scum got lynched on D1, why would they risk outing their whole team like that? | ||
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On October 05 2012 01:46 Drazerk wrote: If he is a reverse hider its possible he would take the target's alignment as well ...? The GF is already dead (iamperfection). Iamperfection seemed like the most "buffed up" scum (with GlaDOS seeming the most "obvious" villain) and had a lot of powers. He was GF, RBer, etc. I don't think another scum has similar abilities to him. I don't even know what your point is...? | ||
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On October 05 2012 01:48 strongandbig wrote: Gonzaw I've said - I don't know whether or not P-BODY is town or scum or third party. I'm guessing he's town because of the flavor - I think the odds are good but I don't think it's conclusive and you can't treat it as 100% that the people claiming those are the same alignment. If someone claims P-Body it confirms both your roles. It means you weren't lying your ass out there when you are in fact "Aperture Turret Nº 2" or something like that. It proves you are ATLAS and it proves the other guy is P-BODY (and if you are both scum making a gambit, surely another ALTAS/P-BODY can claim or you'd get found out very easily) That's a lot of information that helps town tremendously, and it also puts a lot of pressure on both of you (so you keep your promises with night actions and stuff, and you keep up contributions and shit) to help us figure out your real alignments. | ||
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On October 05 2012 01:51 Drazerk wrote: Because role names have no say on alignment how do you not know this yet? Yeah, because GlaDOS could obviously be town. You may have been given a fake-claim as scum, it's a possibility; but if you are scum I want you to take the chance and expose yourself (even then there may be inconsistencies with what you claim and your own abilities. For instance if you claim "Companion Cube" I couldn't possibly believe you would be a vig, so we lynch you) Give us your role name | ||
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On October 05 2012 01:52 Mattchew wrote: gonzaw how do you know the numbers of the scum team? I'm assuming they are 3 | ||
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The only reason I can think of is that it would give scum an idea of what powers you may have. But you already outed your ability so that shouldn't worry you Anyways, seems Nisani still hasn't shown up at all. Good, let him hang. Also I get the feeling this discussion will get us into a giant shitstorrn where we'll end up lynching Drazerk or S&B or maybe a P-BODY claimer or something. I still want people to consider Nisani when we are talking about all this. | ||
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I suggest we let S&B live as long as these 2 conditions are met: 1)P-Body claims at some point (preferably soon) and confirms S&B's role 2)We let S&B confirm himself by using his night action. At worst if he's scum it means he'll either out himself or scum won't be able to kill the most pro-town guys (since S&B would supposedely be protecting him). | ||
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On October 05 2012 02:03 Drazerk wrote: FAKE CLAIMING IS SO EASY BECAUSE YOU JUST ADD DETAILS AND ROLE INFO T_T How do you fake night protections and how do you fake nobody shooting at you even though you claimed vet/medic that lost 1 life (and most likely doesn't have any other)? How do you fake someone else claiming P-BODY for you? Again, if your scumbuddy claims P-BODY for you, how can you be sure there isn't an actual ATLAS or P-BODY role out there and you'll be cc'ed? And how do you escape the fact that none of you will die by KP and have to explain that, and as soon as 1 of you dies the other one becomes basically confirmed scum? If he's fake-claiming...well I could see scum having 1 bullet-proof at night or "vet"-type role, although he'd have to lie about all the rest (about protecting Hiro and stuff). | ||
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On October 05 2012 02:08 Drazerk wrote: How do we know scum haven't been given safe claims? Well I don't know, why don't you claim your role name so we find out?  | ||
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^Also that was a joke; although it's not that far-fetched now that I think about it | ||
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On October 05 2012 02:10 Drazerk wrote: There are roles out there that kill people based on role names Hmm, haven't considered that. Although that may seem more like a 3rd party kind of role (like in AC mafia). | ||
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Some people haven't posted yet since his claim (austin, ghost, Crossfire, Hiro) and they can easily be P-BODY Also lol at Jingle. On October 05 2012 02:12 Nisani201 wrote: Can we get a votecount? No, I don't really have anything to say about that. I've played enough games and been lynched enough times to realize that defending myself is useless. Okay, I'll take that as a scumclaim. At least you can post reads/contributions other than "gonzaw's case on S&B is good" and "I don't believe his claim". | ||
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On October 05 2012 02:18 gonzaw wrote: Nisani, would you mind claiming your role and abilities/night actions before I go to uni? Doing this is the only thing that may remotely (improbably but possibly) save your ass today. You have less than 10 minutes Go | ||
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On October 05 2012 02:24 Drazerk wrote: BTW Gonzaw I've given up defending myself multiple times as town. Its not a scum tell He didn't even try. I didn't see him even address one of the countless points being used against him once. That's not even caring. I can understand a townie giving up defending himself if he defended himself to begin with and got frustrated and couldn't convince anybody. Other than "gonzaw's case doesn't make sense" he had 0 defense. Why the hell would you do that as town...? I mean....look at D2, there was almost no discussion, but there were no shitstorms nor arguments that can make you "rage" and "rage-quit" or anything. People just came in, posted thoughts and voted Nisani. Why the hell wouldn't he defend himself against that? If he's town that's the laziest any townie has been in the history of mafia, and I doubt even Nisani would be that lazy. | ||
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I'm leaving to uni right now. After D1 I trust this town will do the right thing when I'm gone anyways  See ya people. | ||
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Am I the only one that thinks the impossible happened? Damn...this is not funny at all. Well, I'm speechless and I don't really know what to do. It kind of bums me out Hiro/austin/Crossfire/ghost/Keirathi/Jingle didn't do anything all D2 right up until the very end but I thought it wouldn't have mattered (once Nisani flipped red) I won't call anybody out until I think about this for a second. On October 05 2012 02:43 austinmcc wrote: Why would you want that answered? As far as I can tell, the answer to that question is ONLY useful to scum. Whether you believe his claim or not...asking "Mr. Bodyguard, how exactly can you be killed?" is NOT information that needs to be out in the open. That question gives me SERIOUS red flags. I need to look back over you. Well...because I wanted scum to have the chance to shoot him at night mostly (to remove a suspect) (or rather know if scum can shoot him at night). If he's scum and gives us the info "I only have 1 extra life" it get's much more difficult for him to explain surviving each remaining night, and if he's town maybe scum shoot him instead of someone else and remove us from a suspect we aren't sure about (at that time, when P-body didn't claim) | ||
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Why is that always used against me? "You could have done that as scum if you play just like you did in the Liar Game, therefore you are scummy" Why don't you look at Bureaucracy mafia and see if I did similar stuff? I mean, that one is closer in time. Anyways, damn, I'm getting the feeling I'm going to end up playing badly this game again (i.e I'm going to have shitty reads) and I'm gonna get misslynched or get close to misslynched. If I have to change my town reads on Hiro/ghost/austin/Crossfire/Jingle then I may end up getting confused again. But fuck, I was so convinced Nisani was scum this seems like a bad joke on me. Seriously, that's a first. | ||
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