Currently I think thrawn is town, but as pointed out this is highly feel read based so I am doing my re-evaluation. Page 1, Pregame posts. + Show Spoiler +On September 13 2012 12:42 thrawn2112 wrote: ugh i wish i could (/in) but i only get internet for like 2 minutes a day at most lol On September 14 2012 07:26 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 06:12 kushm4sta wrote: thrawn where are you Africa or some shit ? west texas i do have internet, i just have to walk/ride a long ass time to get it. On September 15 2012 07:18 thrawn2112 wrote: ok i can't resist
at the risk of being lynched based on meta, i'm /in
hi kush
From our most active member? Now if he does have to walk a long time to get it then it is more likely that he would put the motivation in as someone that isn’t town. Situation could have changed though will need to check + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 11:00 thrawn2112 wrote: Yeah I agree, there's not much else to add other than that lurkers are assholes and they are going to lurk whether there is strong support of a lurker lynch policy or not... especially in these newbie games.
So on to more important matters, here's an idea:
last person in the thread gets lynched
discuss? Now this was stupid, however the main point is he gets people of lurker’s quickly. Either he knows his scum mates will lurk, thinks he doesn’t have much time, or wants to get the thread moving. I think there is more reason to get the thread moving but I might have confirmation bias on this one.
To save space his next post says lurker talk should be only one post or so and says plans are easy for scum to hide in. Town points here.
He then basically Fos’s drazak. Ok the sonic/thrawn debate
+ Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 15:37 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 15:22 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Maffia XXVII survey (not filling it in will make you look scummy):
1. Will you be around for lynch time? 2. How active do you plan on being? 3. How many games have you obsed? 4. Is this your first game playing? 5. If not, how many games have you played? 6. Is this your first time playing as scum? Ok sonic this is even scummier than your "hey everyone should be making lists" tactics in XXVI. Some of those questions (1 and 2) you cant reasonably expect people to give solid/infallible predictions about, or at least not predictions accurate enough for you to lynch them later based on a discrepency between the prediction and their actual activity level, and the other questions you don't need people to answer them in order to get the information you want. 6 is just silly. I don't see the point at all of that survey other than to appear useful which imo it isn't.. and that's the same thing you were doing with the lists in xxvi.
In other words he starts going hard out on sonic, this might not mean anything either way but I am putting it here to see when he changes his mind. However he goes at sonic for posting a list of usless questions but then says this.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 16:07 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 15:46 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Back to my question to you: On September 18 2012 15:12 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:On September 18 2012 11:00 thrawn2112 wrote: Yeah I agree, there's not much else to add other than that lurkers are assholes and they are going to lurk whether there is strong support of a lurker lynch policy or not... especially in these newbie games.
So on to more important matters, here's an idea:
last person in the thread gets lynched
discuss? Is this question serious? Yep.
Seems hypocritical considering talking about the last one in the thread would only create a useless case and people saying it is bad.
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+ Show Spoiler +On September 19 2012 02:02 thrawn2112 wrote: Sonic the reason why I don't buy that your survey was you as town making a joke is becuase of the line "not answering will make you look scummy." That looks like you were seriously expecting a response from everyone and that you didn't want the survey to be taken lightly. It's been pointed out that we are kinda doing the same thing (accusing each other because of us presenting bad ideas for town to respond to) however the situations aren't that similar. You yourself have pointed out that my idea was so extremly dumb that it couldn't have been a genuine question. My explanation of that question is that it was scum bait... do you really think that it's more likely that I threw it out as scum trying to get town to agree to it? And your survey as I've already said didn't look like a joke and it fit your past scum actions of presenting fluffly ideas for town to follow so you could appear like a useful townie.
I will give you a little bit of slack because I did lead you on by answering that it was in fact a serious question, so I can see why you as town would think that I was either giving an extremely terrible idea as town which isn't likely, or that I was saying something dumb as scum which I guess you could've seen as more likely. However seeing the lengths you went to to use that post against me, when it was obviously a really dumb idea regardless of my alignment, I still think you were attacking me with scum motives.
In one of your recent posts you attacked someone for defending me, which makes sense if you are town and seeing debears post as a scum trying to protect their fellow scum partner. So overall, your position on my scum-o-meter is a little lower than it was but you're still up there.
Now here is interesting, both were said to be scum bait (sonic flips town) But he says neither town nor scum would use it so it must be scum bait. (at least that is what I gathered) But Scum could use it to distract town and and claim the same thing that sonic just claimed.
(Second filter read on thrawn, still feels more town and arguments could go either way but I see why I shouldn’t trust him blindly...*cough sonic last game *cough*)
My motivation for his filter is dropping off... this could be because I don’t feel he is scum and there is no excitement. Again this is just a feel read so I must continue.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 19 2012 04:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
Pre Edit: just saw that he posted some stuff about rethos, so my current read on him is that he's done nothing that I see as scummy and he has participated in discussion and brought some original ideas into the mix. So overall I'm saying he's looking town. His defense of me was a little to lengthy and aggressive to be normal but I don't know why he'd do that as town or mafia.
This is actually interesting though, thinks rethos is town. I wonder if he jumped on my rethos is scum argument after realising a bus was almost necessary. (This is speculation so I will need to see how it follows thoughout the thread.)
+ Show Spoiler +On September 19 2012 05:09 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 04:54 rethos wrote:Debears post seems suspicious for reasons already mentioned. The real interesting part (for me) comes after this post: On September 19 2012 04:20 thrawn2112 wrote: OK so kush do you think I'm scum? Do you have reasons for that or is it just a shitty halfway into D1 association case?
I went through debear's filter and here's what I've got:
People are jumping on him for defending me, under the reasoning that either A) he's mafia trying to make safe posts or B) he and I are both mafia and he's trying to defend me. B is the vibe I'm getting from kush and sonic. But what about option C) that he's town and talking about something that everyone else is talking about? Obviously I say B is dumb excpet from the perspective of sonic who had been accusing me most of the game, but I don't see any indicator that option A or option C is more likely. To me it looks like the people who are accusing him are doing so because they already thought I looked scummy, or because they are scum themselves pushing a mislynch.
The thing in debear's filter I disagreed with was his agreement that kush is sk. I can see how it would be possible but I don't see any reason to think it's likely, especially since we don't even yet know if there's a sk or not. Debears what are your thoughts on kush beyond what you already said?
In summary: His defense of me doesn't look more town-motivated or mafia-motivated, so I'm going with a null read on the whole "defending thrawn" situation.
Pre Edit: just saw that he posted some stuff about rethos, so my current read on him is that he's done nothing that I see as scummy and he has participated in discussion and brought some original ideas into the mix. So overall I'm saying he's looking town. His defense of me was a little to lengthy and aggressive to be normal but I don't know why he'd do that as town or mafia.
Until now thrawn2112 strikes me as a player that is willing to go after suspicious stuff (because of the whole SDM discussion). It seems to me though that debears's post does not seem suspicious to him. He seems actually biased imo which makes me think that there is some sort of alliance there. Also interesting is to point out stuff like On September 19 2012 04:20 thrawn2112 wrote: The thing in debear's filter I disagreed with was his agreement that kush is sk. I can see how it would be possible but I don't see any reason to think it's likely, especially since we don't even yet know if there's a sk or not. Debears what are your thoughts on kush beyond what you already said?
On September 19 2012 04:20 thrawn2112 wrote: About debears: I'll read his filter and point out what I think about it, but for now the thing that struck me as odd was the line: On September 18 2012 22:42 debears wrote:I think thrawn is town. Anyone with evidence pointing otherwise, please present.
I don't see why he is making it such a huge goal for town to establish if I am 100% town or not. Seems a little too off topic from the whole scumhunting thing.
He is pointing out minor stuff that he does not agree with to make it look like he is not biased. Little nitpicky stuff. He is also not expanding on the second point in his post. That seems to be his primary concern when he started looking into it. Why doesn't he explain what has come of that concern, did it get solved? How? If not why didn't he mention it in his second post as well to give a clear and full reading. Right now it seems that he is doing his best to defend him while still being able to back out if something goes wrong. @thrawn2112 what conclusion have you achieved regarding the last quote?##FOS Debears ##FOS thrawn2112 It's odd but not odd enough to influence my read on him in either direction. Basically it this point it tells me nothing other than that it tells me nothing. Still going with town. You say I'm a player who is willing to go after suspicious stuff... well yeah, that's the point of the game. But then when I give a town read, all the sudden that automatically makes myself and that player a team? That's your prerogative but it's an extremely weak case. Is there anything other than that about me which you find suspicious? Because if not then that's a very weak FOS.
Follows up by saying it’s a weak argument on him. Yes it is but we need to look at every time he mentions rethos imo.
I will do this because something I noticed in my notes file (I do this because I have adhd need some way to keep on track {did it last game as well I have notes for that I think, no turns out I saved over them (for this game) but I am sure I mentioned it in my filter somewhere from last game})
But my notes say Oh a side note if I am wrong completely, and I find thrawn to be scum kush is town killing is town and sharky and sharrent are town. That would leave dbears, dandel and thrawn. (at this point atalias wasn’t in the discussion much which is something I need to look into) this isn’t much though out(could be bussing etc..) but this is why I am checking the interactions of my possible scum teams as circumstantial evidence.
To save time (still on page 2 of 11) he then goes on the whole role call thing which he should have imo. Again talks with rethos but don’t have a read on rethos and isn’t talking about that.
So far hasn’t given a read on rethos but the interaction doesnt’ look that strange. Rethos just asking questions and thrawn just replying.
Page three More role claim argument don’t see any particular scum motivation. Turns out he can’t fish.
I can’t find anything in particular but he has gone at sonic (flips town) sharrent (flips town) killing (unsure) and drazak (flips town)
+ Show Spoiler +On September 20 2012 07:30 thrawn2112 wrote: I would go with drazak. Previously my lurker lynch back up was killing but drazak made that retarted vote. I've also had earlier supicions of him maily because of his first post, where he goes out of his way to defend accusations against him that haven't even happend yet.
So killing/drazak but I say drazak.
vote count?
Changes his mind and goes for drazak, by itself fair enough but then after flip. + Show Spoiler +On September 20 2012 07:59 thrawn2112 wrote: One thing that seems very very strange is how nobody has voted for killing this entire game, yet lots of people have said he's very scummy and he was even a proposed lynch candidate a few times. . There could possibly be some derailment going on everytime a killing lynch is mentioned.
If you've got insight into the drazak/killing/cubu/sharrant choice now is the time to speak up.
Ok so he goes not with killing because of one vote post then goes at the fact nobody voted for killing? This is a scummy move actually because he could back up the fact that he switched because he pointed it out. (he points this out after day 2 sometime I think.) Or this would be scummy if he said it after the flip, still scummy that he mentions it before though, he might have known the result and acted accordingly. So far this is probably the most interesting thing I have come across.
*nedstark voice* “Storm is coming” able to keep working on it though as I alt tabbed the filter.
Oh.. a side problem of no internet is I can’t quote properly.
So maybe we should lynch cubu, and if cubu flips mason well then at least we have a confirmed town player (sharrant) and we haven't lost a useful poster. If Cubu doesn't flip mason then we atuo lynch sharrant D2. In the outcome that cubu is mason, then like others have said about him earlier we aren't losing a player who is willing to scumhunt or contribute or say anything at all. And yeah mafia will have a good target for their nightkills (sharrant) but if there's a medic or a jailkeeper, and I think it's likely that there will be at least one of those, then they can save sharrant from nk's at their own discretion.
I am on page four but I left it for a while so not entirely sure where I left off. This is more scummy, lynch someone who could end up confirmed town? Lynching someone else gets you the chance of finding scum and opens the possibility of either getting two confirmed town, or two confirmed scum. Oh turns out I missed this first time round. I guess leaving the computer helped. With this I think page 4 is done.
(side note: I am getting more of a hunt feeling now but still not sure Unlike kush I am not finding every second post with scum intent)
Why do you think his mason status is such a sure thing?
Ok this is slightly odd, he seemed to have doubts as well about it now it is suddenly sure.
Then next post does a massive why the mason claim is a fabrication thing.
Here's why I think the mason claim is fabricated.
(I would link it all but I can’t quote or spoiler properly with no connection)
someone asked if people are allowed to post links to their mason qt, if not are they allowed to post the text contents of the qt?
Now this is back to serious town points. Surely having the mason qt text wouldn’t be something the mafia would suggest. The only reason I can see why he would have asked it is if he was town and wanted to be sure.
He then after time zones and such believes him. Continuing on. (I will look at atreides filter after this (thrawn currently arguing that atreides is scum) and if atreides actually does seem scum town points.
Next he lies(or misunderstands and thinks Debears is still sheeping him when it was the other way around) about posting before debears. Almost going to go unicycle so hopefully internet is on by then (we have found an undercover area to do it in fyi) Will be back in several hours. (hour trip in and back with time for unicycling in the middle ^^)
Ok debears just posted his case on thrawn, haven’t read it yet and still won’t read it as I don’t want it effecting my perception until after I post this.
Ok he seems to be very careful in making sure sharrant and sharky are masons. For me this is town points. Making completely sure without doubt. Most of his next post are him answering my questions so I will leave these out for obvious reasons.
Hold on I think I got lost again... I shouldn’t have left for so long. Onto page 6
+ Show Spoiler +On September 21 2012 07:46 thrawn2112 wrote: Kush those points againt me are either meaningless or huge misrepresentations of what actually happened. I'll post my response in a bit. You either haven't grasped the logic of a lot of my cases (specifically the remedy which till now you'e ignored my request for you to give a read on him) or you're scum.
Accuses kush for not following his logic and says because of that he is scum, (remedy flips town) just interesting going though this. Next is a massive quote that goes back and forth between thrawn and kush. But more importantly comes the role block post.
Now several things could be going on here. First it is obvious town didn’t role block him because sharrent got a rb. (unless mafia rb’s sharrent?) So assuming mafia pulled the role block, I imagine there are three possible options. One mafia role blocked him, two mafia roleblocked themselves, three mafia roleblocked the Sk. Thrawn has been blocked twice (nobody else claimed they were blocked) and no sk Shot. Admittedly I find this unlikely but not at all impossible. + Show Spoiler +I saying a got a message saying exactly "you were roleblocked." Thought I'd post it so that A) if the roleblock came from a town player they will know I'm at being honest and B) If it came from a mafia then town will have more information. In either case it gives everyone more info to work with. Maybe not now but at some point in the future.... in my first game mafia started making up a bunch of fake "I got roleblocked" claims and town was able to see through them because people had been saying the exact times they got roleblocked throughout the game. I don't see why I would get roleblocked though. Sonic the JK could have done it but I don't think so because I think he had a town read on me. That leaves only the possibilities that there's a town roleblocker who did it or the mafia did it but I have no information or theories about that so kinda useless to speculate further.
Completely leaves out the possibility of mafia Rb’s themselves.
Lol ran into him responding to a question about this post
+ Show Spoiler +Uh, saying that drazak and I defended each other is a lie. In fact it's the exact opposite of the truth. You have to admit that is a very confusing sentence.
I will start generalinzing what he says for time purposes, starts going a rethos after I do with what I think is a perfectly reasonable argument.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 21 2012 18:16 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 18:11 rethos wrote: Actually no.. I am sorry to all of you. But it really seems that playing mafia is really not for me. I got bored and did not want to post any more. Now I am trying to catch up and can't get bring myself to it. Yes I lied about having this weird plan of lurking intentionally. I lurked because I did not have motivation to do anything.
Again I am really really sorry. I will ask for a replacement. Lol which one of your mason buddies in the qt told you to write this post? My vote today was going to be remedy but this series of posts from rethos makes me consider lynching him regardless of him asking for a replacement.
Mason buddys? I never quite made sense of this tbh.
+ Show Spoiler + If it came from a town player it was because they thought I was scum, or they were a jk thinking I was town. If it came from mafia, I think they suspect me of being one of the more powerful blue roles and they were trying to stop me from performing an action based upon the reads I was making during N1.
Avoids the topic of mafia roleblocking mafia.
While I am finding a lot of things that could possibly be scummy considering the size of the filter I should be finding more. Most is just observations and comments that it could be either way (that I am making) while there are a few solid posts I will admit. After I read debears case I will probably quickly post my thoughts again. He seems town on feel read, seems mostly town in his posting style however I am not 100% convinced on him like I used to be, (although def wouldn’t lynch him)
+ Show Spoiler +On September 22 2012 03:19 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 03:06 kushm4sta wrote: Mafia not leave games as a tactic. Yes mafia leaves games, but they only do it when they have an actual reason, like they are busy (weetee) or they are bored. In newbie xxv (I think) scum dandel ion offered to leave. This was because he felt he was too busy to properly defend himself as mafia, not because he thought it was the only escape from suspicion. So whether town or mafia I think rethos really was bored. He was not bored pregame when he drew a cat. He was not bored d1 when he was very active and made a vote count. That I agree with. He became bored, though, and that accounts for his long afk. If you accept that he was actually bored, the case against him falls apart. It makes sense that he lied about wanting to test lurker leniency, because he didn't want to admit to his boredom. Also it fit his point about not pressuring the lurkers enough.
Here's what happened: First he lies about having a lurking plan: "Believe it or not I was actually making a test to see how much leniancy lurkers get in this game" (not a plan a townie with any sense would use) and then he lies about the lie: "To be clear my defense against lurking is not "hey I did it on purpose", it's "hey I will not be lurking anymore now"" (saying "I will not be lurking anymore" ..... how does that = boredom?) then he goes back to saying the first lie was true: "So basically there is a problem with this game (all newbie games? I don't know) that is that people are not pressuring lurkers at all. Mainly they are giving them little slaps on the hand like (hey you have not posted in a while). I wanted to actually attract attention to that. And I think I actually succedded." then he says all the previous lies actually were lies and that instead he's bored "Actually no.. I am sorry to all of you. But it really seems that playing mafia is really not for me. I got bored and did not want to post any more. Now I am trying to catch up and can't get bring myself to it. Yes I lied about having this weird plan of lurking intentionally. I lurked because I did not have motivation to do anything." How does that more sense than coming out and being truthful about being bored right off the bat?
This makes so much sense... now if I am wrong and thrawn is scum then I would associate him with dandel. (why you may ask) Well I posted before about how dandel is almost the only person left to accosiate with thrawn and the possibilities of a bus aren’t unlikely. (considering he almost had to bus rethos) However you can see that this is a very weak case however I will post this now as this relates to a revelation I had on the train on the way home (that I will post at the end of this)
I do not think this is the case but it I am wrong then this is probably the case.
On September 22 2012 03:40 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 03:35 kushm4sta wrote: Thrawn I'm saying that even if he was mafia, boredom was his reason for leaving.
Are you? Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 03:06 kushm4sta wrote:.If you accept that he was actually bored, the case against him falls apart. FOS Kush
Notice the time stamps on kush, not the first time he has done this I might add but it makes more sense the correct way around.
Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 07:36 thrawn2112 wrote:stutters that's twice you've quickly appeared in the thread after being called out for lurking when previously you hadn't posted in a long time... First time here
I will never trust a timing read again... I have to admit I look at a heap of timings but stutters was town so...
+ Show Spoiler +On September 22 2012 13:53 thrawn2112 wrote: I've been looking at the final vote count. I think it's very very safe to assume that at least 1 mafia voted for drazak. The people who voted for drazak are: Sharrant, Sonic Death Monkey, kushm4sta, thrawn2112, Stutters695. So then I removed sharrant, sonic, and myself, which leaves kush and stutters. Out of those two I think it's more likely stutters is scum. And when I look at their votes, kush made that retarded "ok looks like drazzak is the bandwagon then" vote. Originally it looked suspicious but consider this... why the fuck would a mafia player bandwagon onto a townie lynch and then use such a terrible phrase? Especially to even include the word bandwagon? That imo, is a colossal error that I don't think anyone would be capable of. (well maybe yourharry would find some way to rationalize it) So, that leaves stutters who already looks suspicious, both for lurking, and because of how he stops lurking to pop in the thread once someone calls him out.
So if all the follwoing is true, Stutters has to be scum
1: At least 1 mafia voted for drazak 2: There are no holes we've overlooked in sharrant's mason claim 3: My reasoning about kush's vote is extremely likely to be correct (4: and an additional one for people other than myself would be that thrawn is town)
For me of course 4 is 100 true. 2 is so close to 100 percent true it may as well be 100 percent. Then I think 3 is the next most likely and 1 is probably the part of the theory I have the most hesitations about. However I think 1 and 3 are solid enough.
So in other words I think stutters is a pretty damn good lynch option. Not only for all the reasons just mentioned but also because he's a huge lurker. Something I am going to pick you up on though, stutters wasn’t scum, that leaves you and kush, you have a town read on kush... this makes no sense. Page 9
+ Show Spoiler +On September 23 2012 01:21 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 00:52 Dandel Ion wrote: Eh, if that's going to be the wagon, so be it.
##unvote ##vote stutters Who would you rather the wagon be? I see you come into the thread with a scumread that other people thought was scummy at the time, (most especially myself) debears attacks you and you immediately go after him even to the point of voting for him. Then two people go for stutters and it's time to change your vote to stutters? Is debears still your top read? Don't you even want to try to see if you can push your case? This relates to my revelation that I am posting at the end.
There is a whole lot of stutters remedy stuff that because of the flip I don’t see the need of going into. Well that was a quick page...
+ Show Spoiler +On September 23 2012 09:07 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 09:06 Dandel Ion wrote:On September 23 2012 09:05 Atreides- wrote: So it looks like 3 town and 6 mafia still alive? Not including the possibility of SK
I know that was most likely a typo, but it really does look like that. LOL This sent me into a fit of laughter again. Sorry I know that is fluffy of me but still amusing.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 23 2012 09:13 thrawn2112 wrote: Also according to my logic case kush is scum, or the mason claim is false, or no scum voted drazak, or I hallucinated while reading my role pm Then why is kush town to you blahsasdfsadf... I guess I will find out in later posts.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 23 2012 10:48 thrawn2112 wrote: I don't know why a scum kush would have tried so hard to change everyone's vote to stutters(green). Remedy(green) was already looking very likely to be lynched yet kush fought hard to change people's votes. Oh hey the very next post... I have to admit this is like the one hole in my argument against kush. However I found so much scummy stuff though.
20 pages? I am assuming most of this is because it is not spoilered. And Thrawn writes long posts.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 23 2012 16:15 thrawn2112 wrote:First, kush's case against jacob and whatever I think while reading his filter: The first accusation you make is that he's an active lurker (a weird phrase but I know what you mean) and that he doesn't take stances. So I'm gonna talk about some of his reads. Here's the first read he makes: ( here) It comes in at a time when sonic and I were going at it pretty strongly and his opinion on the issue is, well I don't really know. He doesn't give it. He does sorta talk about the issue but does not come out and say if he thinks either sonic or I look more scummy, and in his next post he has this to say about the issue: "I am going to stay mostly away from the thrawn kush sonic debacle for the moment it’s not as clear as it should be." Jacob what was so unclear about it that caused you to not want to discuss it? Later in that same post he talks about the debears/thrawn issue and ends up saying this: "Both are plausible I will need more time to work out which is which" but he doesn't end up posting that read. Those are the two most dramatic issues of the start of the game but he doesn't want to talk about them or he needs more time to work them out but ends up not doing so. What I remember most from jacob's posting was the rethos stuff. So, rethos comes into the thread saying that he had a lurking plan. Jacob asks him this:"Wait you were lurking on purpose? That is your entire reason for lurking? "Hey guys don't lynch me I was lurking on purpose" Why would you do that? What do you gain from it? (apart from a social life) Please elaborate". He does question rethos but if there is any suspicion contained in those questions it is very faint. Then after rethos responds jacob makes this post and he never commits too strongly to believing or disbelieving rethos. It's a bunch of sentences and each contain very slight reads that are in contradiction with the read of the other sentences. He finally commits to a scum read on rethos in this post: Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 18:47 JacobStrangelove wrote: I don't see comfirmation bias in that, in the space of about 4 posts he has lied several times. One he lies about being bored. Two he lies about his defense not being based on intentinal lurking and he admits to lying about having the plan in this first place.
Scum have plenty of reason to lie, town don't. Just say he was town.. he wouldn't see himself as more a target than anyone else who is lurking. I think guilt gave him away. Also if he is town and lies.... then he is playing the game very wrong... He points out that rethos lied several times. This was something that I pointed out first, and something that jacob did not even seem to think was happening before I posted about it. And at the end of the post there's the "if's he's town" part where he could be leaving himself an out. Here are some posts that are representative of what I'm talking about when I say his posts don't contain reads: Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 13:54 JacobStrangelove wrote: Oh cool stutters is here *waits* Funny how you show up right after I make a statement about you but it could be coincidence. So.... did what stutters did make him suspicious or not? Another similar post: Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 14:03 JacobStrangelove wrote:On September 19 2012 13:58 KillingTime wrote: I just woke up - yeah I meant to post more last night but couldn't for irl reasons. Sorry I know that looked bad. Yeah it looks really bad, that said assuming you are mafia you would probably do everything you could to get a post out to avoid this... (as in last night although you would probably also do a post like this anyway) Once again I by the time I finish reading the post I have no idea what his final read was. Go read his filter and a lot of it's similar to the two above quotes. After reading a jacob post you are left with a often weak and sometimes dizzying notion of what jacob's actual read is. When he gives reads a lot of times he'll throw in one of these: (but here's something that could make my read the opposite of what it is) Another one of your points about him is that it's not the same jacob from last game. I went through his filter from that game and he does ramble on a lot but he does no where near the amount of providing himself outs for his reads. So yeah I'd say jacob looks scummy. I will post this and actually go though this here. I was going to do this after I finished my cases but because of what happened I am going though everyones filters -_-
I mentioned this before but I was very busy the first days, I was still able to post a fair amount but the quality as you said wasn’t that great. It was unclear just because you were going back and forth about lists and fluff for mafia when you were creating it as well. I didn’t bother discussing it because I figured it would become clear later on when I had more time anyway.
You go at my accusations on rethos being faint, I think I already mentioned that this is typical when I run into something that doesn’t make sense. I ask a lot of questions. Yeah you pointed out the lying thing first (although this is probably the only thing you pointed out you said first that you actually did say first) however my strongest town read at the time points out an argument I take notice.
Already mentioned the stutters thing that did make him suspicious. Etc..
+ Show Spoiler +On September 23 2012 19:31 thrawn2112 wrote: That case does influence my read of jacob to be more townish than I previously thought. Not because of the quality of the arguments (i'll let you know what I think about the actual case when I finish reading it) but because of the sheer amount of work he put into it and how he is actually very clear with his accusations which was my (and kush's) problem with his previous posting.
I'm starting to think that the interactions and accusations between me/jacob/kush (all varying degrees of the more active posters in the thread) suggests that there could be a large portion of mafia among the lurkers.
I mentioned this before but just so you know the reason I am suddenly clearer and putting more effort in is because I am not in the clear by way of commitments. (as in irl commitments)
He goes at killing but after reading killings filter he is only really scummy if associated with kush.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 24 2012 07:34 thrawn2112 wrote: Can you post the mason qt again? I don't doubt you're mason but at this point I want to consider every possibility. So please post it as soon as you humanly can.
Seems to want to be extra sure, after being sure many times. Ok it’s last page so I only partly read it as it is what just happened.
So now my hurm thrawn is a little stranger than I thought but considering the amount of filter he has you would expect more slips and he says a lot of town things as well case is over. Also thrawn still feels town. ^ that’s my read. I will discuss something.
First kush number one scum read. Second killing when associated with kush. On par dandel at the moment (will get to this) Then thrawn.
However... if killing actually isn’t associated in anyway with kush then I would say thrawns filter is actually a little more scummy. BUT killing lurked (so harder to find stuff) he also was more non committal (if I remember) so I will vote killing to save thrawn if it comes down to that because he is much more scummy with the strong accosiation case I have and it is close without it.
However here is my revelation. (dun du dun) Dandel is in both my scum teams. Same as what happened last game with sonic. Kush killing dandel seems to make sense from the perspective if kush defending dandel and going at stutters/remedy only.
If I am wrong then Thrawn/dandel/debears? While I think it is less likely thrawn could have read the situation as being to suspicious not to go at dandel (when he was rethos) and started bussing him. So in other words before I read Atreides filter
Kush Dandel/killing Thrawn/everyone else.
now I will look at the recent developments...
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