EPTI'd be lying if I said I don't have any doubts at all, but on top of the cases against him (which I think are really good), consider that he has been MIA for 24 hours now. Clearly he is convinced that he is going to be lynched. But if he were town, he'd still post reads, contribute, etc. His complete silence is quite damning imo.
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
I'd be lying if I said I don't have any doubts at all, but on top of the cases against him (which I think are really good), consider that he has been MIA for 24 hours now. Clearly he is convinced that he is going to be lynched. But if he were town, he'd still post reads, contribute, etc. His complete silence is quite damning imo. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On July 17 2012 05:04 Keirathi wrote: Also @sciberbia: why am I not your top candidate anymore? You repeatedly stated at the end of Day1 that I was your biggest scum read, but you were going to consolidate onto Vivax just to avoid the no-lynch, which is fine. But by this point, I had already done all the "towntelling" things that you give matt poins for pointing out in your Matt defense post. What happened to change your mind when I really didn't do anything during the night and was out of town for basically the entire day? Can you comment on other issues? What about solstice, S&B, Mattchew, Risen, and all the stuff that was discussed about them? Of course who you want to lynch is a very important one (I'd like sciberbia to answer that though, doesn't hurt anybody) About talis: Before his "plan", I actually found him kind of town. He posted that graph of posts from all his last 5 games to "check his meta", and well that seems like a lot of effort (don't know if he did it in pre-game though). Plus the tone of some of the things he said and just a little gut feeling of the way he interacted with people made me think he was town at that point (and I get a little townie feels right now, although I don't know if I should take them into account or not). Hmm, the "plan" itself didn't seem scummy in my mind. It did spark some discussion, and to be honest I didn't really see the plan as "the most anti-town thing" in the way that I could see him posting it as town. His "gauging reactions" is null basically. The thing is that from that point onwards his play totally decays. He spends way too much time talking about the validity of his "plan", and spends way too much time just prodding Dropbear with the same stuff (Dropbear insta-voting Vivax). After that he doesn't seem to care in my mind. Responding to unrelated stuff he never follows (like telling marv about his "nice shit" on solstice, telling Risen to post his thoughts about what I said of him), having an "I don't care" attitude (when he posts thoughts about Milton and austin for instance, and the tone of his posts) and even having that attitude with his reads (like the ones in the post where he voted Dropbear) give me that feeling. The thing about his play decaying is that it didn't seem like he'd play like that at all once the game started. Once the game started and he started to have discussions about the setup, and the way he responded to people and stuff I had the feeling he'd keep up with that kind of play the whole game, which is why I didn't find him suspicious. But having his play decay so fast is worrying, since it makes it seem his "townie early D1" feel was just a façade. He seems to not care at all at the time of the lynch and after that (I've already posted about this on N1). He doesn't care about lynching Dropbear it seems, he's just there, asking some questions, blending in, doing shit and posting one-liners. That lack of effort and care about the lynch is damning. I'm trying to think if I'm wrong and he could have done that as town but I don't see many possibilities, specially because of this: I was at work, working. And refreshing the thread. I agree with you and gonzaw though I should have done more to get dropbear lynched but the way the wagon completely left me and formed up on him threw me and I was doubting myself, especially after last game where I just tunneled HiroPro and more or less cost town the game because of it. That's the excuse he makes for his behaviour last day. That's no excuse to not care about the lynch. If he was actually at work refreshing the thread, it only means he doesn't have time to reread stuff (thread+filters), and think too much about things. That would actually indicate that his play should be more "reactive". As in, if he's constantly refreshing the thread, then his posts should be more of a reaction to what's posted each time he refreshes. As in, if someone votes Vivax or Dropbear he'd try to react to that, specially if the D1 lynch is at stake and he's just playing like I said he'd be playing. Even if he started to doubt Dropbear being scum (which he didn't show at all), at least he would have been more "anxious" and "nervous" considering the lynch wasn't decided until 3 minutes before the deadline. Any townie would be nervous by that point, specially if they were only paying attention to the thread by refreshing it constantly and not reading filters/etc. I can't see him doing that as town. Not only that, but his contributions from D2 are him either: -Just defending himself -Shitting on Mattchew The lack of effort is damning as hell. He doesn't even try. Hell he hasn't even posted at all for 24 hours or so I think. I find it more and more likely that he's scum knowing he was found and just not caring anymore. I get paranoid that he'd even act like this as town though, but hopefully is not the case. tl;dr: Talis is scum unless I'm paranoid about him playing like shit as town. About solstice I'm not really sure right now since him going against Risen seems legitimate for me, if I have time before leaving I'll reread him. There seems that a lot of people are treading to a modkill and that's not good. I'm leaving right at the deadline (I have to be in uni 30 minutes later), and I don't know if the flip will be "instantaneous" or not so I may not be around when tails flips, and I don't know when I'll come back (at most 3-4 hours from then, but I don't really know). | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
24 hours ago, his lynch was by no means certain. Reminds me of a post someone made yesterday about there being 2 options: 1) Scum Tali: Correct play is to push other targets while deflecting attacks on you 2) Town Tali: Correct play is to push other targets and defelect attacks on you Neither of the correct responses is to disappear for 24 hours. I feel like disappearing is more of a frustrated townie trait than a frustrated scum one. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
you and s0Lstice are causing me some serious stress right now! Honestly, I think he could see the writing on the wall. If you KNOW you are going to be lynched correct scum response: say nothing at all correct town response: make cases, knowing that they will be helpful to town when you flip green | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On July 17 2012 06:05 austinmcc wrote: If you don't want to vote for talis, then who DO you want to vote for? My top 3 candidates are (in no specific order): sciberbia, Mattchew, Risen With big MAYBES on talismania and DropBear. I wouldn't really feel comfortable voting anyone else, and probably won't vote Tali even though I have him as a maybe. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On July 17 2012 06:12 s0Lstice wrote: you are assuming he plays 'correctly.' what's the incorrect town response? OMGUS everyone who accused you? | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On July 17 2012 06:12 s0Lstice wrote: you are assuming he plays 'correctly.' what's the incorrect town response? Erm. An incorrect response is anything but the correct response :o | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On July 17 2012 06:06 Keirathi wrote: I feel like disappearing is more of a frustrated townie trait than a frustrated scum one. That's what made me a little bit paranoid, but the thing is that there is almost no indication that he was frustrated. Take for instance a town VE going to be misslynched where he ragequits in frustration (basically every time he's town  ).He always makes an initial effort to change the lynch off him, he always tries to at least reason a little bit with the people accusing him; and if he finds his efforts futile, then he quits in frustration. To quit in frustration it means you actually have to try to be frustrated in the first place, at least by justifying it in-game (if he's frustrated because his cat died and he sees everybody accusing him it would be another thing, but he hasn't said anything about it so I'll disregard it). I can't see someone quitting in frustration if there is no reason to be so frustrated in the first place, and if the first thing you do is quit before even trying to change the tide of the game (i.e not getting lynched, or hoping to catch some scum even if you are) then you are not likely town at all since no townie would do that. Also: On July 16 2012 05:09 talismania wrote: so... what still makes you think I'm scum? On July 16 2012 05:29 talismania wrote: Actually, Dropbear what do you think of me now? These don't look like posts from someone "ragequitting". He's asking people and supposedly expecting their answers, you don't "ragequit" before you even hear them or acknowledge them. I don't see him quitting as "frustrated" at all.....but I'm paranoid that he's busy or some shit and doesn't care or something. Hopefully (like I said) that's not the case, and there are other tiny bits that make me think talis is scum. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
If someone unvotes talis you better have a fucking good reason to, since you'll force NL. Keirathi what are you planning to do? And will you answer those questions I presented to you? (I.e I want your thoughts on other issues, not just talis/sciberbia). | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
Anyway though it doesn't matter. The thing is being absent seems like a weird play for either side. Quick note also. Go look at Talis' posting on Dropbear. It's clear to me that Dropbear's reactions to the prodding are part of Talis' read. Those questions you quoted are in line with that. Mattchew, where are you? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
##vote talismania Also, s0L I like how you bring up something I later took back about Mattchew. He went from being town in my eyes to scummy based on his posting style. Is there a reason you're trying to make it look like I'm defending Mattchew when I'm actually calling him scum? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On July 17 2012 06:27 s0Lstice wrote: Mattchew, where are you? lmao | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
At the time of my case, you were defending Mattchew. I only brought it up because Dropbear asked me about my thinking at that time. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
wtf is thids bandwahon? y every game i die becausre of something stupid and then this tinme i get fuckinh injured and miss half a day | ||
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