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Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
June 26 2012 23:57 GMT
#961
Is it 5 or 6 to lynch today?
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
June 26 2012 23:58 GMT
#962
On June 27 2012 08:51 marvellosity wrote:
I'm not playing anything. I'm inviting town to have a field day by asking me anything they want, and hopefully it will help give them a townread on me. That's all I want right now.


Marv would you consider not shooting VE? I doubt we have enough time to reread your filter and VE's filter and change the whole town situation before the deadline. You're being obstinate again for no reason.

I am going to read the game again from the start of day 2 and see what I come up with. If you don't look townie as all hell, then my vote stands.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 26 2012 23:59 GMT
#963
With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 26 2012 23:59 GMT
#964
On June 27 2012 08:45 Snarfs wrote:
I have just under an hour until I have to leave work to head to a jazz fest. concert and I won't be back from then until after the deadline so I need to know if we're switching votes pretty fast here.

I honestly don't know what to think about marv right now. It's illogical for either scum or town to be in the situation he's in right now. If he's scum, like prplhz said, he had to have known that he was likely to lose the 1-on-1 with VE by bringing up his case again today, and he'd be taking a huge gamble that a fake claim would save him. If he's town, we just have to believe that he was dumb and/or cocky enough to not answer a couple questions straight up... and that he actually believes VE is scummy.... But again, scum would want to push easy lynches, not someone who everyone else thinks is town. Like, it's bad town play but it's got to be even worse scum play.


Snarfs, as town or scum the fact is I got embroiled by my own arrogance/bad play day 1 with not answering the questions. Those are the common things.

Your only other thing you mention there about if I'm town is that I think someone you have a strong town read on is scum. Is that really so hard to believe?

But if I'm scum you have to accept that I went after VE originally, and having dropped it, I then fucking did it again. That is just INSANE. Absolutely insane.

And that's ignoring my meta defence which I won't restate but nonetheless exists.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
June 26 2012 23:59 GMT
#965
To show I am serious
##unvote
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 27 2012 00:00 GMT
#966
Well we got roleblockers I assume in case he absolutely refuse and we still don't want to lynch him.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 27 2012 00:00 GMT
#967
If not lynching a townie really hinges on my promise to not shoot at VE, then fine. That's more important for today I guess.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
June 27 2012 00:01 GMT
#968
On June 27 2012 09:00 risk.nuke wrote:
Well we got roleblockers I assume in case he absolutely refuse and we still don't want to lynch him.


Who is the we here?

Our jailer was shot overnight
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
June 27 2012 00:06 GMT
#969
On June 27 2012 08:59 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 08:45 Snarfs wrote:
I have just under an hour until I have to leave work to head to a jazz fest. concert and I won't be back from then until after the deadline so I need to know if we're switching votes pretty fast here.

I honestly don't know what to think about marv right now. It's illogical for either scum or town to be in the situation he's in right now. If he's scum, like prplhz said, he had to have known that he was likely to lose the 1-on-1 with VE by bringing up his case again today, and he'd be taking a huge gamble that a fake claim would save him. If he's town, we just have to believe that he was dumb and/or cocky enough to not answer a couple questions straight up... and that he actually believes VE is scummy.... But again, scum would want to push easy lynches, not someone who everyone else thinks is town. Like, it's bad town play but it's got to be even worse scum play.


Snarfs, as town or scum the fact is I got embroiled by my own arrogance/bad play day 1 with not answering the questions. Those are the common things.

Your only other thing you mention there about if I'm town is that I think someone you have a strong town read on is scum. Is that really so hard to believe?

But if I'm scum you have to accept that I went after VE originally, and having dropped it, I then fucking did it again. That is just INSANE. Absolutely insane.

And that's ignoring my meta defence which I won't restate but nonetheless exists.

I know it's insane, I'm just debating whether I'm sure enough that you're not insane - and that the rest of the town can come to a similar conclusion - that I'd prefer a no lynch (which I've stated in the past usually favors scum because scum fucking love denying information) since that's what seems pretty damn likely if we don't lynch you.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 27 2012 00:07 GMT
#970
On June 27 2012 09:01 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 09:00 risk.nuke wrote:
Well we got roleblockers I assume in case he absolutely refuse and we still don't want to lynch him.


Who is the we here?

Our jailer was shot overnight

oh yeah, I forgot. Still it's no for sure there isn't a town roleblocker. Especially if they can block nigt kp in this setup.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 27 2012 00:08 GMT
#971
On June 27 2012 09:06 Snarfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 08:59 marvellosity wrote:
On June 27 2012 08:45 Snarfs wrote:
I have just under an hour until I have to leave work to head to a jazz fest. concert and I won't be back from then until after the deadline so I need to know if we're switching votes pretty fast here.

I honestly don't know what to think about marv right now. It's illogical for either scum or town to be in the situation he's in right now. If he's scum, like prplhz said, he had to have known that he was likely to lose the 1-on-1 with VE by bringing up his case again today, and he'd be taking a huge gamble that a fake claim would save him. If he's town, we just have to believe that he was dumb and/or cocky enough to not answer a couple questions straight up... and that he actually believes VE is scummy.... But again, scum would want to push easy lynches, not someone who everyone else thinks is town. Like, it's bad town play but it's got to be even worse scum play.


Snarfs, as town or scum the fact is I got embroiled by my own arrogance/bad play day 1 with not answering the questions. Those are the common things.

Your only other thing you mention there about if I'm town is that I think someone you have a strong town read on is scum. Is that really so hard to believe?

But if I'm scum you have to accept that I went after VE originally, and having dropped it, I then fucking did it again. That is just INSANE. Absolutely insane.

And that's ignoring my meta defence which I won't restate but nonetheless exists.

I know it's insane, I'm just debating whether I'm sure enough that you're not insane - and that the rest of the town can come to a similar conclusion - that I'd prefer a no lynch (which I've stated in the past usually favors scum because scum fucking love denying information) since that's what seems pretty damn likely if we don't lynch you.


yeah ok, I do kinda resent that.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 27 2012 00:17 GMT
#972
marvellosity's insulting and condescending tone has effectively cemented my vote onto him. I will not move my vote even to prevent a no-lynch. Factor this in, town.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 27 2012 00:31 GMT
#973
I don't get how hesitantly placing your vote and then not pushing any lynch and saying that 10+ hours isn't enough to change the lynch away from someone you think is town is null leaning town. Can you explain this to me VisceraEyes?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 27 2012 00:37 GMT
#974
I told you already prpl, because I did the SAME SHIT! I was AFK/IRL/whatever and I did exactly the same thing...the only difference is that I excused myself thusly, where Shraft hasn't...but that's not a tell either way.

Although I will say prplhz - the fact that his rasta read disappeared is troubling to me. That's the one thing I really dislike about his play...that his rasta read has like...vanished.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 27 2012 00:46 GMT
#975
Marv how many bullets do you have?
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 27 2012 00:46 GMT
#976
So because you were AFK, then it's townie to be AFK? Really, Shraft didn't push his lynches and you... well nobody can say that you aren't pushing marvellosity. What about the 10+ hours too little to change lynch (away from a guy who didn't even have majority) thing?

It's not a tell to explain yourself 'cause with real life matters you can just lie your ass off. What matters is that you aren't here at important points in the game and that's generally something scum are more prone to do.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
June 27 2012 00:46 GMT
#977
Ok I am willing to give you a break marv. I am up to your case on VE (which I still think is a bad case) and here are some townie things I've noticed.
On June 25 2012 09:01 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 08:58 slOosh wrote:
Let's not WIFOM at who we would shoot as scum. It won't produce anything substantial and allows scum to blend in and derails thread from what is truly important: hunting and lynching scum. Since there is finally some thread activity going on, I'll be happy to sit down and think carefully what the heck is going on. Probulous I'm still unhappy about your play this game, starting with the oversight in your Zentor vote. Of course this could be an honest mistake so I'm gonna sit on it for now. Still waiting for von Klaust as well. If you ignore me I'ma hound you down.


You need to stop doing this. You keep asking people about Probulous and telling him you're suspicious, but all you're willing to say is that you didn't like his Zentor vote oversight.

Either make a case or don't. Stop expecting others to answer for you, or telling Probulous he's suspicious with no way to make a defence as you won't actually make a case.

Which is correct. Bare in mind I am one of the main people pushing his wagon. He has no need to call out slOosh here. He could let slOosh sow the seeds of doubt and eventually post his case. Clearly someone thought slOsh was town enough to get "saved" (this was before the new day post). If marv is scum, he would know their shot was "blocked" and so know that slOosh has enough town credit to pick up a save. Surely it would make more sense for scum to just keep quiet and hope slOosh pushes his case against me. Marv could then join the wagon and possibly get one his main threats lynched. By calling slOosh out he is forcing him to allow me to defend, which is really townie.

Then he responds to my question about notifications etc. I was telling rastaban to take some time to think before he posts because he was spouting illogical nonsense.
On June 25 2012 09:19 marvellosity wrote:
mm. we need us some wbg action

On June 25 2012 09:21 marvellosity wrote:
Probulous, no unwarranted prodding

Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 08:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 25 2012 08:07 Probulous wrote:
If a person is jailed are they notified?
If so, is the notification the same as if they have been roleblocked?

I'm uncertain. If such an event took place this night, I have not sent PM's about it. WBG will answer you once he gets online.


rastaban was just saying we currently don't know what ppl are told

Marv calls me out to stop prodding rastaban based on the idea that rastaban was just telling people that we don't who was told what. This is wrong and is not why I was prodding him but then marv writes this.
On June 25 2012 09:21 marvellosity wrote:
oh, he wasn't saying that. i'll be quiet then.

Which was completely unprovoked. He went back, reread that section and then corrected himself without me having to ask. Why would scum do this? It is extra effort and doesn't make them look townie. It just clears things up, which is the opposite of what scum want.

On June 25 2012 20:54 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 19:49 prplhz wrote:
If you guys read the thread then it should be pretty obvious that slOosh jailed me last night.

Tried to find what you were talking about, did not. Care to enlighten?

I am still waiting on the answer for this too. If anything it would make sense for slOosh to jail me given his suspicions of me. I can see scum blocking me as well but to assume that slOosh had no reason for blocking me is weird. He never explained this. The only thing that makes sense for me would be that scum would probably not block prpl over me (my guess) but this has nothing to do with slOosh's filter. Anyway, back to marv. This is a question which actively adds information to the thread. I missed it yesterday but it is a really good one and should have been followed up. It could be scum casting doubt on prpl, but marv never follows it up. He never pushed a prpl case. It is just a good stand alone question. Why would scum do this?

On June 25 2012 21:40 marvellosity wrote:
Indeed. I've replaced in to games a few times, always as town, and never felt the need to justify my predecessor's play or fulfil promises on what they did. I understand you're not me though. Given you're around. What do you make of me? as slOosh died, what do you think of Probulous?

Compare this to his earlier post calling slOosh out on his casting of suspicion. When slOosh was alive he wanted to clear the air, now that slOosh is dead he is following up on slOosh's non-case to see if there was something missing. It could be that he wants to push a miss-lynch on me, but if that is the case, why call out slOosh in the first place? It is contradictory in a town way. Plus he has never pushed me as a possible lynch target.

I am not going to vote for marv today. His day 1 play caused terrible terrible damage but he has been much more forthright and open since then.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 27 2012 00:47 GMT
#978
1 rastaban
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 27 2012 00:48 GMT
#979
Well it was good of you to pretend to be with me on this Prob.

Who do you think we SHOULD lynch then, in 3 hours?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 27 2012 00:54 GMT
#980
Hey guys guess what both marvellosity and VisceraEyes have in common!
+ Show Spoiler +

HINT:
On June 27 2012 08:13 marvellosity wrote:
you shouldn't lynch me because i'm town. and fingers crossed my vigi shot should mostly confirm me as town and mafia will have to kill me off at some point. and hopefully if i am alive i'll be able to find scum, because i'm not too bad at that.

On June 27 2012 08:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Meh - you didn't really think that through. You're never ever going to get a vig-shot. Ever. If you're town, scum are going to roleblock you until the cows come home (which is a long ass time, for those not familiar with American colloquialisms.)

You're going to keep on living each night, and each morning you'll be saying "Guys I swear I'm a vig...it's this damned ROLEBLOCKER!"

Town isn't going to have any choice but to lynch you because not only have you had myself and Probulous on your shit since D1, but you're going to look even worse if/when I get nightkilled and flip town. Town is GOING TO HAVE to kill you. It's just a matter of when.

The correct answer was "Tomorrow if I get Roleblocked".

On June 27 2012 08:20 marvellosity wrote:
Just because you're on my shit doesn't make me any less town. Town either believes I'm town now and that I got roleblocked or they don't.

You're pushing the idea that I have to be lynched now because it could cause trouble later. No, you only lynch me now if town is convinced I'm scum.

That is the correct answer my friend.

+ Show Spoiler +

Neither has read the Vigilante role text
You are the most conservative member of town, and as such you really enjoy exercising your 2nd Amendment rights to shoot criminals in the face. You have a gun with X bullets and you may shoot if you so wish at night. You are never refunded a bullet under any circumstances. You win when all the mafia have ceased to breathe.

If they had they would know the bullet didn't get refunded and so he only needs blocked 1 night.

Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
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