Newbie Mini XIV

On May 23 2012 04:05 Mordanis wrote:
First off, let me clarify my earlier statement to Release. He was being too frightening, and discouraging posting, so I told him to be slightly more trusting. Since his two FOSs, we've regressed to a community of trust. The way people have been talking, there just seems to be no urgency. I feel slightly responsible for this, so I'll do my best to mend the situation.

Hegeo has been very suspicious. To restate what I've already said, he did not post in the first 5 hours (in and of itself harmless), but then posted 5 minutes after someone called him out for not posting. He offered an excuse, but the most obvious explanation is that he was watching the thread, and had a knee-jerk reaction to being called out. To believe he began writing before he was called out, and posted after a few minutes is, frankly, well, let's just say its not a very high order of probability. The next question is why he would watch the thread without posting. I can think of no reason a Townie would do this.

This is right after I first state my misgivings about his timing. Do you see the passive aggressiveness? He defends himself in a strange way. He says virtually nothing save a small excuse for the the timing of his post.

First statement is the most absurdly WIFOM I've ever seen. It was hilariously passive aggressive. Second statement was just agreement with someone else (which he stated), and the third was basically just an excuse. I have a hard time reconciling his behavior with being town.

Then he posts this gem: + Show Spoiler +
He praises Sciberia for "bringing the heat", and then spends the rest of the post explaining why Release's play has been suboptimal.

In his next post, he even outright chastens Release:

On May 22 2012 15:08 Mordanis wrote:
Also, Release: You're being very aggresive. Very agressive. I understand the need to get the scumhunt going as quickly as possible, but you've placed the only two players who have posted content under suspicion. I think this discourages people from posting content. Artanis, a player whom I trust, wrote that mafia are rarely aggresive. Based on that, I'll trust that you are just trying to get things stirred up. I just think that you're going overboard. We need to get the ball rolling, but we also need people to talk. So please stop with the extreme distrust for a while, and wait for a little while while everyone analyzes what we've just written. Also, I'd be very happy if you would be so kind as to explain to the rest of us why you're being so aggressive. If you really are town, then tell us, and trust us to be rational. If you're not, well you're certainly attracting a lot of attention.

I have no idea what he is trying to accomplish. He has only posted shallow analysis in which he deflects attention from himself. He hasn't really helped at all in the scum-hunt. He has very suspicious activities.

I'm very willing to change my mind, as we aren't even halfway through the first day.That being said, we need to have more and better analysis if we're going to find scum. I think it is wrong to assume that everyone is innocent just as it is wrong to assume everyone is innocent. We need to cultivate a healthy distrust of everyone, but at the same time we need to be able to work together to hunt scum. We need balance. We began too distrustful, we are now too trusting. We must find a middle ground to be successful.

On May 23 2012 04:45 Release wrote:
On May 23 2012 01:29 hegeo wrote:
Sciberbia bringing the heat via analysis, I like it.

Hey Release, some thoughts about your posts, and why I think you're not always helping town with them:

On May 22 2012 14:35 Release wrote:

1) Of course we should lynch. a)Anyone who doesn't vote for a lynch is immediately put under suspicion.

I am getting awfully suspicious of you because of this post:
First, you ask a question to which both myself and Mordanis have answered yes to. If you wanted to further ask the others, there is no need to include the small tidbits of information that don't really help people make an informative decision. In fact, the part where you include Role... Role ... Role.. looks like an attempt to confuse people.
Second, your second question is a mere restatement of your first question with even more filler. Why do you feel obligated to post this if it doesn't contribute to do anything useful?

a) Even though I understand where you're coming from, this is kind of pseudo-pressuring people, which is futile in the beginning of the game. This makes for an anti-town-atmosphere, since posting should be encouraged.


b) It's not the best case to lynch lurkers, but if they don't contribute to town then it is at least good riddance.

c) You are posting at least a considerable amount of non-productive posts right now, e.g. to this post...



... your answer was this:



You consistently do this "#FOS"-stuff



and then, you FOS Sciberibia...



..before even un##FOSing Mordanis:



To answer in your own words:




Even though there are many players that have a way shorter filter than you, what you do is generating "noise" (not always, you have your points that I can agree with and you definitely contribute).
It seems as though you either just want to stir up anything you can (because both of these #FOSes came to nothing, which would make you a little scummy) or I read it as an overly motivated try to get information.

Response to a) my point was that contributing useless information is worse than having no contribution at all. My example was Sciberia's asking the same question twice, which has since, been given some clarification.

c)my answer was this:
"My point is that Townies can make mistakes, but townies don't make slips. Mafia make can make mistakes; usually their mistake is to make a slip. I want to make that very clear. We shouldn't end up lynching for a mistake. We should lynch someone who makes a slip."

From Newbie II game
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this was in support of the above point i made.

Your c) and reasoning behind are Blatant Lies; you intentionally leave out my actual point to make it seem like i am posting filler. If i didn't know better, you know that i am town, and see that i am dangerous to your scum motives. You are targeting me with a weak case based on incomplete evidence.

In regard to the FOS before unFOS, i did it to show that i was putting both of them under suspicion. There are 3 mafia. I only had 2. Are you seriously trying to convince to to avoid the larger picture and completely ignore anyone (other than the person who i am targeting at the moment) who might be Mafia?

The FOS's got people talking. Talking is good for the town. Again, this is an example of where you completely ignore the larger picture.

"overly motivated try to get information." All townies want information. After all, we don't know much. You however, seem perfectly content to let this day slip by without extracting a lot of information from it (presumably because you already have the information because you are scum).