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On April 30 2012 14:32 Foolishness wrote:
We want as few people as possible in the majority. It needs to be as close to even as possible. If we have 10 or 11 people in the majority we can control the lynch. This is because we have more votes than there are people up for lynch.
This is solid. We also have to agree on someone having the last word in round A, otherwise we can't implement what foolishness said. I'll support palmar if he agrees on pardoning max number of players.
The theory behind this is the least players that are up to being lynched, the least influential mafia votes are on keeping mafia alive. If everybody is up for lynch it is pretty impossible to get whoever we deem scum lynched.
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@palmar Why not 8? Don't you agree with what I've said above?
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Yes, anyone saying Palmar can't control everything is not actually thinking about this. If someone doesn't have the last word it is impossible to control round A. That someone does not always have to be the same person. We can adapt and change it up on following rounds if need be.
I'm already thinking about round B and I think the optimal way is to claim all votes and spread them across your top 5 town reads from the pool of 10 players left. That way is the hardest for scum to save their dude and provides the most information. That's because scum can provide at max 2 votes on their teamates to make them avoid being lynched and scummy dudes will end up being lynched on average.
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On May 01 2012 01:41 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 01:37 sandroba wrote:On April 30 2012 14:32 Foolishness wrote:
We want as few people as possible in the majority. It needs to be as close to even as possible. If we have 10 or 11 people in the majority we can control the lynch. This is because we have more votes than there are people up for lynch. This is solid. We also have to agree on someone having the last word in round A, otherwise we can't implement what foolishness said. I'll support palmar if he agrees on pardoning max number of players. The theory behind this is the least players that are up to being lynched, the least influential mafia votes are on keeping mafia alive. If everybody is up for lynch it is pretty impossible to get whoever we deem scum lynched. I don't like how this was said. Your end statement is that "If everybody is up for lynch it is pretty impossible to get whoever we deem scum lynched." however you are trying to get the maximum people in the majority. I liked the idealistic ideas behind the first part, but I think even if we were all lynchable like a normal game its still very possible to get whoever the majority thinks is scum, lynched.
huh? It's max people in minority. The voting system in this is different, if you take some time to think about it you will realise why having the whole pool to lynch from results in more townies lynched on average.
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That's not how it works. 18 people up for lynch, very few votes are needed to keep you alive. 10 people up for lynch, more votes are needed to keep you alive, mafia is not as influential on preventing the lynch on them.
You realize palmar plan will try to get as close to this as possible? The ideal scenario is finding 8 townies and making the lynch pool 6 mafia 4 town. We should trive to reach that ideal.
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@foolishness There will never be a consensus on whom to kill especially if said person is mafia. It's reasonable to assume even a few townies will have a wrong read on and will end up defending scum. Also afaik only the vote tally will be available, not who voted whom. How exactly is that going to work in practice?
Only way I can think of is that we get compliance from everyone beforehand, that they will agree to follow the voting scheme if they get out-voted (we do the traditional voting to see who will be lynched). Then we propose a unique voting scheme so we can identify who didn't follow it (each player votes for a unique combination of players).
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@chaoser that is dumb. Many people up for lynch makes round B too easy to be tempered with. Palmar does not need to have the last word every round, we can switch it up any time. However we need someone we think is town to do it this round so we can be in a better spot round B.
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I'm not inactive, I just had shit to do yesterday, so I voted yes and went out. If I didn't answer your PM it's because I wasn't here to read it, so deal with it. It's holyday here and brazil ytd and today.
As I told some people already I believe foolishness is wrong about chaoser, based purely on meta. Chaoser's way of posting stuff is very different when he is mafia, he is way more careful and neutral. This game, while saying mostly things I don't agree with, he is pretty out there and doesn't show fear.
VE on the other had is playing pretty much on par with his scum meta. Posts are short, promisses scum hunting then busts out arbitrary reads based on nothing.
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I caught up and I see a lot of people expecting a "defense" from me. I have no defense, since there is nothing against me besides being inactive, which I was due to being holiday here and I went out, spend time with friends, etc. If you guys read the thread and get this idea out of your head that I must be mafia for being inactive, you will see I am confirmed town. Not a single soul in this game had any problems killing me or even mentioned I was town even when I was being active. Now if we can move on to finding scum that would be awesome. My early reads were MZ an Sheth were likely scum. MZ because of the way he entered the thread in his first posts and Sheth for supporting the plan for no particular reason, just to fit in. I don't believe he would have a solid read on palmar at that point (played with him very little and I don't believe he read a bunch of games for this sole reason) and didn't even want to create max minority, so I can't see why he would support him blindly.
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It actually doesn't matter what I post in this tread. I made my suspicons clear and it doesn't matter how much I "explain" myself here. People are still dumb enough to think I'm mafia when evidence to the contrary is thrown in their faces. I'll do my best to get into minority so jubjubs + scum can't kill me. Then we proceed to kill sheth/mz/bc.
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Same goes for me. I want to kill bc but not cephiro.
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Honestly I bc's thread behavior is being on par with his behavior as town or mafia which I really can't tell apart. However I'm pretty sure sheth is mafia and BC gave him 4 votes ytd for no reason. Also he is also discussing me right now who am in the minority so that just seems like distraction and throwing shit in the fan. He never even metions sheth prior to his voting.
Cephiro I think is town due to behavior on thread. Not much to say about him since there is aparently no case against him.
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Can you confirm this bugs? Did you tell BC to put 4 votes on sheth?
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I don't know cephiro's meta, but I wouldn't say he is behaving like mafia. If you people are sure he is though, I have no qualms killing him. I'm not sure why we are killing BC anymore then, since it was bugs who saved sheth ytd for some unknown reason.
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Since I can't get anything done this game, cuz people think I'm mafia by default. Better let others that can get shit done decide who to lynch and not work against it.
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So. I guess I have to try to get in minority once more. Anyway let's kill sheth and mz.
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Yeah yeah sheth needs to die, we could prob take out mz along with him for good measure.
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I'm not mafia. I'm well aware since day 2 that I'll be lynched the very next time I hit majority and if I was mafia I would have already done shit to fuck with town, since I have nothing to lose. I don't expect you guys to actually use your head and realize this though.
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Yo prpl pm me what you want me to vote for round A.
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EPT
