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On March 22 2012 22:17 Zealos wrote: My thoughts: Acro: Why have you still not given some definitive thoughts? I asked a couple of pages ago and there is still nothing, are you just avoiding the question? The only people you say should be lynched atm are Lurkers, of which I am one, even though I have been fairly active. You made a point against gumshoe but haven't really elaborated or spoken of it since. I want to see you actually follow through on what you are saying. I have been quite open with my opinions about everybody, but if there's something specific you're missing. Feel free to ask. The reason I haven't followed up on Gumshoe is because my analysis of him is just as valid as it was when I first posted it. I could speculate about what others have said about him, but I prefer to wait and see what he says about it. I have called him out on it, but until he comes in, he's high on my scumometer. My main suspect at the moment is Mattchew (and has been since yesterday evening). My vote is still on him and I have no intention of changing it yet. I will post in a bit why he is my main suspect: I was working this morning and didn't get around to it. About lurkers: the longer they post nothing of value, the less useful they are. They've all made their mandatory post this cycle, but most are extremely useless. Evantrees has said nothing except meaningless blather about WBG. You fell in that category, as you made one useful post, although it was largely a copy of opinions already voiced in the thread. You accused me and Greymist and recanted the latter immediately and started backing out of the former. You then defended Gumshoe, but are now accusing him of top 2 scum. I'm confused what your actual opinion is, because you're flipflopping a bit. However, I agree with your later post on Greymist + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 03:48 Zealos wrote: Ok, I misread Grey's intentions with his post about lynching WBG. I understand the need to question someone who is trying to lynch, but he was only asking for a post from Acro about his constant forwards and back with his opinions. If he wants to prove to be innocent (To the extent that is possible at this point in the game) then he should tell us what he makes of the game thusfar. and your newest on Gumshoe: On March 22 2012 22:17 Zealos wrote: Gumshoe Alot of your posts seem completly substanceless, and make you look active, without making any strong stances. Such as When he finally begins to make a case against Acro, we get this very odd quote Is this noob or scum? Not easy to tell, but some of your other posts make it seem closer to the latter. I'd just like you to stay put long enough to say something about you. | ||
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First off, he starts building an alibi with a case made of air. I understand the pressure vote, but his follow-up was lackluster: I understand that this is his character, but it is a very useless accusation. You assume I'm scum, therefore everybody who defends me must also be scum. His main reason for calling me scum is: On March 22 2012 03:28 Mattchew wrote: over defensive "im a noob" that doesn't want to be be put in the spotlight. look at his reaction compared to the other "noob" guy with a vote on him. its way more aggressive and emotionally angry. The meta-comparison is a completely moot point, as had been pointed out by a number of people. So you were basically tunneling on me, and the reasons given are flimsy at best. Secondly, his defense when other people start questioning his motives: + Show Spoiler [Reply to Zentor] + On March 22 2012 06:10 Mattchew wrote: then MrZentor, bad reading comprehension in hand, makes a terrible post with his lead point of his slippery slope theory being untrue because Mattchew (who is awesome, sexy and lover of all townies) never even voted for Acrofales! He does not answer MrZentor's questions or doubts, but instead deflects them and builds a straw man argument about whether or not he voted. This deflection is successful, because the rest of the entire page of discussion is about whether or not he actually voted: he STILL has not answered MrZentor's questions. + Show Spoiler [Reply to Chaoser] + On March 22 2012 07:35 Mattchew wrote: lol so you want me to comment on what I am involved with already? wut? and all i did was pressure a newbie who had a bad reaction, i just wanted to push him, and make him post some more. The thread has talked about WBG (which is stupid), Gumshoe's "scumslip" (A common scum tactic to "catch" a townie on) and me/acro More deflection without actually giving his opinion (except that the Acro-Mattchew controversy is the only useful thing in the thread to that point, which I disagree with). Third, and final point: he is really trying to use meta-arguments to make himself look good in the discussion between him and DoYouHas. This is basically just useless fluff which serves only as a meta-defense as "look, I'm not a screwup noob". Okay, lets say I buy that. That leaves you being scum as the only explanation for you building a case out of air and avoiding any other meaningful discussion. Newest info: his last post is actually something of substance, but I'm suspicious of him anyway. It might just be him realizing his gambit is failing and posting something townie. Specifically his sudden change to me being town  | ||
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On March 23 2012 00:50 Risen wrote: Class for another hour and a half, time for some reading when I get back. (Just an update for those who may think I'm lurking since I haven't posted as much as I should have) Most useless "I'm saying I'm not, but secretly am still lurking"-post I have seen in this thread. I think you might be beating out Evantrees for king of the lurks. Remember that in the Game of Thrones kings tend to lose their heads. | ||
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Also @Mattchew: Chaoser asked you why you were tunneling on me and what your opinion was of other discussions in the thread, including what you thought of Greymist. Your answer: EBWOP: The thread has talked about WBG (which is stupid), Gumshoe's "scumslip" (A common scum tactic to "catch" a townie on) and me/acro, what else would you like me to talk about? Retarded policy lynches of liars and lurkers OH BOY! He then asked you why you put "scum slip" in quotes, and not just straight out? What was your reasoning for making it seem a fake scumslip, rather than an actual scumslip. Is gumshoe your scum buddie? Anyway, you have not answered that question. Talking about that, you defended gumshoe earlier as well by implying that either I or he was scum, but not both. Now that you think I'm town, do you think he's scum? As for MrZentor's question, he (indirectly) asked you why you accused Lyter, which you have only just replied with: you basically say it was a fake accusation. At the time it didn't seem fake. Also, you accuse me of being emotional, but this: On March 22 2012 23:54 Mattchew wrote: Acrofales, please point me to the meaningful conversations that I people seemingly want me to take part in, I see almost NOTHING of value that I haven't commented on already. Otherwise you are just stealing others words and have no idea what you are talking about because no one has been able to bring up examples of these conversations, yet I am continually ignoring them? is more emotional than I ever was. All I see here is a giant OMGUS defense. Mattchew is Mafia. | ||
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Xatalos, you're an hour ahead from me and claiming to just have woken up. That's two days in a row you "wake up" at 11:30 am (ok, yesterday it was 10:30). I want your life. Anyway, back to the discussion. I've caught up a bit (will read in more detail during the day), and my thoughts so far: Mattchew is still not posting anything helpful and makes a good lynch target. I am not getting a scum read on Alderan. I have read DoYouHas' case and it seems to be entirely built from meta. Now I am inclined to disregard meta-arguments except for those people who know each other really well: one prior game does not make a very good analysis. Particularly it seems as if DoYouHas' argument hinges on Alderan playing the same in both games, which according to him is suspicious. WTF. Other than that I have gone through Alderan's filter, and while he does not seem to be contributing much, his few content posts seem town-oriented. Especially this one: + Show Spoiler + On March 23 2012 04:19 Alderan wrote: Just threw in a lip. Let's see if I can't make some sense of the drivel so far in this thread (not a knock on anyone, Day 1 always sucks. @risk.nuke: Greymist is suspicious to me yes, but for nearly none of the reasons you provided. His comment on wherebugsgo was a joke, at least that's how I took it when I read it. I don't think it was some secret agenda to try to divert town discussion at all (which notably was the entire point of your huge post). I want to wait on Gumshoe to come back before I comment anymore on Greymist though. @chaoser: No one is trying to give Gumshoe a pass, at least I haven't seen any, but we obviously need more discussion from him. He's been gone since the role claim thing, I'm just not too keen on busting out the pitch forks just yet. @Zealos: Your contributions to the game thus far are as follows: - Identify the 2 most common lynch targets. - Place them into your lynch list. Thats it. That is incredibly scummy. I shouldn't have to elaborate why. @DYH: I'm never a fan of the idea that votes=pressure but I agree that Nicholas uses some pretty shotty logic. The coorlation between risk and Greymist is interesting, and something definitely to take not of, but like I said, I'll be commenting on Greymist more a bit later. Some final thoughts: - I think Mattchew was tunneling Acrofales to put on some pressure, but I think most can agree he's not as scummy as he once seemed. - I know I was the one that brought up Oberyn's name first, but I'm not quite sold, again we need to wait for a response. I guess I have the luxury of being available in the hours running up to the deadline, but I urge everyone not to jump on the band wagon that quickly, use your head. - As per usual, lurkers are killing us right now, we need to keep the conversation going (hence the nature and format of this post). He counsels caution and backs it up with good analysis. Calmly posted and tempers down some of the emotional people in this thread. I like his point addressing risk.nuke: risk.nuke's analysis is absurd and based almost entirely on suspicion about Greymist's sarcasm. I also don't much like Greymist's posts, but risk.nuke is hammering on him for entirely the wrong reasons. Sinensis: why are you so up in arms about MrZentor? I have read your case and it is based entirely upon you misinterpreting his first post (as I said earlier). Please post a proper case if you want us to take you seriously. Oberyn: his long post has some solid analysis, but I don't like a lot of it. It seems townie, but it could be a mafia posting townie stuff to save his ass. Not a lynch target, but still suspicious. Gumshoe: wtf. Seriously. I cannot even understand most of his posts, it just seems to be insane jibberish. Lynch, or vig shot, I don't care, but please can we get rid of him? Half his posts are answering WBG anyway, who I thought we had agreed to ignore completely? Examples of inane jibberish: Both games I've lost so far have involved us at points lynching important players who could become assests later on, but I dont know maybe I've been playing too much mass effect, point is I think both Alderaan and Layabout are scum, I've already asked the question, also It's possible they both actually are scum(even though alderaan has clearly been seen trying to distance himself from layabout by voting for him, thought that could be townie or scummy), in which case the question of whose a bigger threat is perfectly valid. What does this mean? Is Alderan scum? Is Layabout scum? Are both scum? I cannot make head or tail of this post. SLJ: Syllo, that seems like a valid point, but you're in the game, so it'd be nice if you could do something. At the very least, Sandroba wanted to play this so badly that he dragged you in, yet his posts are almost less enlightening than yours. Someone should just vig hit you and be done with it, because it's clear you're not going to do anything this game. | ||
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There seems a lot of too-dumb-to-be-mafia going around and I think it would be way too easy to hide in this crap as mafia. We should stop using that as an excuse for anybody. I know that I have used it, but I don't give a crap at this point, the thread is getting so full of stupid, useless fake analysis stuff that I am almost at the point of saying we should policy lynch Sinensis, Risen, DoYouHas or risk.nuke for posting such inane stuff. I am new here and even I can see that the cases you post are flinterthin. Do you even think before you post, or are you really just trying to fill your filter with something that seems useful, but really isn't. Talking about lynching. We have 13 hours left and I think it's about time to start making a decision and stop casting votes in senseless directions. Luckily my senseless direction 15 minutes into the game seems to be a pretty good guess and we should lynch Mattchew, based on my earlier stated case. Anybody have a better idea? | ||
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On March 23 2012 20:28 SamuelLJackson wrote: I wasn't supposed to post anything and did not come in and say he was town. I only told sandroba that wbg has a point about layabout's tone not being what I expect from his mafia play, but he hasn't posted enough to go further than that. Out of the players we are more comfortable reading, we do not currently like chaoser and greymist. I scum hunt primarily by process of elimination, so a lot of my focus is on "confirming" townies. There is absolutely nothing "suspect" about our behaviour, so while you have a point about us not putting in much effort yet, and I won't promise I will, you should focus your attention elsewhere. These are not the droids you're looking for. | ||
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I called out your analysis together with the rest, because despite not being bad like the others, it spams up an entire page and rather than encouraging conversation, stifles it. Instead of correcting with a good analysis you overreact hugely about my suggestion to lynch, and post a load of WIFOM. Also, your response to WBG is fishy: not only do we not know his sanity, but we don't know whether he'd even tell the truth, or even whether he is a DT. The only correct way of dealing with WBG's random assertions is to ignore them. The only way for us to know anything is to scumhunt (and use our own DTs and trackers) textually. Btw, if WBG actually contributed some useful scumhunting, he *might* be worth listening to, but so far he has trolled and posted random assertions. | ||
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WTF Lyter. He drops in 4 hours before the vote to give us his expert opinion after like 2 days of absense. /bow down to master lurker. | ||
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Alderan: Greymist (1) Acrofales: Risen (1) Mattchew: Evantrees, MrZentor, Acrofales (3) Gumshoe: Xatalos (1) Greymist: Oberyn (1) Risk.nuke: Chaoser (1) SLJ: ON (1) Layabout: Alderan, Gumshoe, SLJ (3) Alderan: DYH (1) Oberyn: Greymist, Mattchew, Zealos, DYH (4) DYH: WBG (1) Which basically means you all suck. It is not only spread out, but the only guy with a majority is not Mattchew, Gumshoe, or Zealos. The three people who have by far the most points in my scumometer. /smacks scumometer. Nope. still gives the same read. I'm not sure how this normally works, but if the idea is to kill Oberyn based on a vote that is all over the map, it seems fucked up. Can Greymist, Matt, Zealos or DYH please post a decent case on why the hell we should vote Oberyn since his latest post? It seems like a fucked up Mafia bandwagon to me. | ||
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On March 24 2012 05:02 layabout wrote: So would i but i need to clear my head first. Lol, join the club. Btw, you all suck and my gf is telling me to do the shopping. Be back in a while. | ||
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