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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
February 03 2012 20:24 GMT
#189
@Timeaisis, can you tell me exactly why you find Sentinel scummy? Is it just because you believe him along with prplhz and Bluelightz (BL) are bandwagoning you+sinensis, or is there something in his posts you find threatening?

@Sentinel do you have any finished games of Mafia on TL?
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
February 03 2012 21:03 GMT
#196
On February 04 2012 05:28 Sinensis wrote:
And I WISH someone in this thread actually knew what a "bandwagon" was so I wouldn't have to keep seeing it used out of context.


...you've used the word bandwagon too, have other people been misusing it unlike you? doesn't take a dictionary definition to see bandwagon. it's obvious. bandwagon analysis, as a subset of vote analysis, is a useful tool in mafia; don't discredit its use.


On February 04 2012 05:34 TheToast wrote:
Why are we focused on Sentinel? As I said before, I'm still not 100% convinced he's chaos.

Bluelightz and prplhz are the much more obvious chaos-scum. We should be going after them until we can get a psyker read on Sentinel.


Where did you say that you're not 100% convinced he's chaos? What I saw in your filter is that you believe that only Sentinel and Bluelightz have good analysis on them. The former, you now want to leave for later (hint: if you think someone is scummy why leave them for later), and the latter, you are the only one who analyzed him. What, so is my analysis on Timeaisis shit? Why does no one seem to want to address Timeaisis, or my points on him?

That said, your points on Bluelightz here are pretty good, but how is prplhz bad? no one's posted anything of substance on him. Just saying "I think X is scummy" won't convince me.

A lot of people seem to be acting based off emotion; that is, reactionary moves. Sinani against prplhz because of his random vote, Sinensis against everyone who voted him, Timeaisis now hates me (<3 you but I think you're chaos sry), and now Toast against prplhz cuz he said you're not making sense. You CANNOT build cases just because people are against you; not only does this result in cases devoid of logic, it's an easy way for scum to avoid making legitimate arguments. Please, if you think someone is scum, say WHY. quote their actual words for brownie points.
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
February 03 2012 21:05 GMT
#199
On February 04 2012 04:54 Timeaisis wrote:
Then, soon after that FoS, an interesting post by Bluelightz, probably because Sinensis and I our stirring up trouble, and we're obviously both new.


funfact: Sinensis played a mafia game 2.5ish years ago
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
February 03 2012 21:06 GMT
#201
err I bolded the wrong part in the quote, but you get the idea.
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
February 03 2012 21:19 GMT
#203
6 hours left, keep it rolling; thread atmosphere is slowing down. If I've asked you a question or said something to you, please respond.
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
February 03 2012 21:22 GMT
#205
On February 04 2012 06:19 Timeaisis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 06:03 EchelonTee wrote:

A lot of people seem to be acting based off emotion; that is, reactionary moves. Sinani against prplhz because of his random vote, Sinensis against everyone who voted him, Timeaisis now hates me (<3 you but I think you're chaos sry), and now Toast against prplhz cuz he said you're not making sense. You CANNOT build cases just because people are against you; not only does this result in cases devoid of logic, it's an easy way for scum to avoid making legitimate arguments. Please, if you think someone is scum, say WHY. quote their actual words for brownie points.


Just to clear this up real quick: EchelonTee, I don't think you're scum, I just don't like you. So I'm in now way advocating your lynch. Don't group me with people who are voting based on emotion.


I didn't say that you're voting based off of emotion or that you're advocating my lynch. I'm noting that now you don't like me just because I'm against you. It's a natural reaction, but just remember in Mafia if people suspect you, you should defend yourself and not take it personally. I don't dislike you. Just think you're chaos.

On February 04 2012 06:19 Timeaisis wrote:
Like someone said earlier, I don't care who you vote for, but is looks to be either me or sentinel tonight. Which is fine. I urge you to pick me or him.


Interesting.
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
February 04 2012 00:26 GMT
#239
On February 04 2012 07:30 Sinensis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 07:26 prplhz wrote:
@Sinensis

Screw what you think about me or [UoN]Sentinel voting for you, read mderg's case on [UoN]Sentinel and then read EchelonTee's case on Timeaisis. Can you tell me with a straight face that you truly believe that mderg's case on [UoN]Sentinel is better than EchenlonTee's case on Timeaisis? Then why are you still voting for [UoN]Sentinel?

That goes for everybody by the way

You can never say anything about somebody's alignment based on what somebody else is doing. Just because TheToast has posted a terrible defense of Timeaisis doesn't mean that Timeaisis is chaos. Might mean that TheToast is chaos but it doesn't tell me anything about Timeaisis.


I think EchelonTee is the one being emotional. He's been grilling Timeaisis and ONLY Timeaisis this whole game. His "points" he likes to talk about are convoluted. That said I think neither are scum.


Generally, or at least in my opinion, it's better to be focused on who you think is most scum. It doesn't mean that I suspect no one else, or that I have some vendetta against my target; there's no point in me posting on cases I am less sure of.

I will stop by before the deadline to ensure that a lynch happens, but will not be on thread until then.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
February 04 2012 03:05 GMT
#283
timeaisis please don't hate me forever

no flavor text? :o

Oh Toastie, is it time for the WIFOM GAME SHOW??
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
February 04 2012 03:11 GMT
#288
On February 04 2012 12:06 prplhz wrote:
@EchelonTee What do you think about TheToast?


Was null leaning green, I don't know why he posted that right after the day post though. you?
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
February 04 2012 03:26 GMT
#293
On February 04 2012 12:23 TheToast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 12:11 EchelonTee wrote:
On February 04 2012 12:06 prplhz wrote:
@EchelonTee What do you think about TheToast?


Was null leaning green, I don't know why he posted that right after the day post though. you?


Because I was right all along and it's in Mafia's best interest to get rid of the person whose on the right track.


WIFOM TRAP CARD!





In all honesty, directing da bluez is almost never a good idea. Unless your town circle has BC, Foolishness, and Incognito.

aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
February 04 2012 03:30 GMT
#295
On February 04 2012 12:16 prplhz wrote:
I'm uneasy about how he's refusing to address how I pointed out that he was using the same arguments for Timeaisis being town as for me being scum. Also his early game is a lot of throwing suspicion around and no committing.

Pretty much, Timeaisis was the most logical case there was.

Student Mafia was on 27 pages at day1 lynch, dunno why this is so much slower. BaronFel and Vilonis and sinani206 and Nisani201 all need to post more.


There were a few flags for me, like this post; it seems sort of precognitive, if you know what I mean. and his very unclear opinion on sinani.

Speaking of which, @Toast what do you think about sinani?

Be back in a few. EVERYONE TALK MOAR NOW YOU DONT KNOW IF IT WILL BE YOUR LAST GASP
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
February 04 2012 06:17 GMT
#298
On February 04 2012 14:17 Bluelightz wrote:
Sorry Time , Hope we can be friends later on >.<



The Lynch:

There was 8 people voting Time and 4 people voting Me.

From this, there was atleast 1 mafia voting Time.

Timeaisis (8): [UoN]Sentinel, EchelonTee, prplhz, BaronFel, Nisani201, Vilonis, mderg, Bluelightz



While I don't disagree with your assessment, would you care to venture who you suspect at the moment, from that list?

where is the activity. no one has opinion on the lynch?

graaaa get active now ppls. D1 has the least info. with more info, more discussion needs to be swirling.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
February 04 2012 06:27 GMT
#299
On February 04 2012 13:13 TheToast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 12:30 EchelonTee wrote:
On February 04 2012 12:16 prplhz wrote:
I'm uneasy about how he's refusing to address how I pointed out that he was using the same arguments for Timeaisis being town as for me being scum. Also his early game is a lot of throwing suspicion around and no committing.

Pretty much, Timeaisis was the most logical case there was.

Student Mafia was on 27 pages at day1 lynch, dunno why this is so much slower. BaronFel and Vilonis and sinani206 and Nisani201 all need to post more.


There were a few flags for me, like this post; it seems sort of precognitive, if you know what I mean. and his very unclear opinion on sinani.

Speaking of which, @Toast what do you think about sinani?

Be back in a few. EVERYONE TALK MOAR NOW YOU DONT KNOW IF IT WILL BE YOUR LAST GASP


Are you accusing me of being able to see into the future? O.o

I've been thinking sinani is town, but vote selection has me wondering. When he switched his vote, Time had 8 votes against him already. It was also done at the 11th hour (I think there was maybe 20 minutes left?) and therefore it unlikely that two other votes would be changed; the number needed to stop the lynching of Time. That means means Sinani could easily have thrown his vote onto a Mafia just to keep suspicion off of him. A combination of options #2 and #3 that I listed in the post you linked. Then again he could also just be lurking (for good reason).

Either way, I don't think there is enough evidence against Sinani to make a definite call one way or the other. At least not yet. For the moment I think we should proceed as though he were town, but with some suspicion on him.



No, not quite; it is important though, to consider that people might know how the lynch will turn out. Other people expressed similar sentiments, so it doesn't incriminate you obvi.

Are you suggesting that sinani, as red, moved his vote onto another mafia teammate to make himself look good, or that he, as green, moved his vote onto someone else he saw as mafia? Just trying to get a sense of what you're saying.

Your thoughts make sense though; I wouldn't go so far as proceeding as though he is town, but yah, the dude needs to post more.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
February 05 2012 00:08 GMT
#314
It's easy in hindsight to say that analysis was stupid/wrong; at the time no one had any tangible objections to my analysis. I noted that Timeaisis looked nooby, but it was his bandwagoning/excessive agreement + that he didn't defend/respond to me much at all, that made me think he was scum. You can't say that he was CLEARLY, OBVIOUS town; he had scum traits. So did other people; thats why moving forward we've got stuff to work with.

Won't be around for the Day post; my primary suspect is Bluelightz.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
February 05 2012 02:41 GMT
#320
What the fuck? You never said "I think ET's analysis is bad", you said "I don't think Timeaisis is scum". THOSE TWO STATEMENTS ARE DIFFERENT. Point to me where you said "ET'S ANALYSIS IS BAD".

He emphasized his noobiness THREE times. Even if he didn't use the exact word NEW each time, it does NOT mean he didn't say a similar thought each time. And the fact that it was his response to me? It's because I was gauging him!!! Whenever someone goes around saying "oh Im new im new" it's a fcking red flag; happened in TL Mafia with Macpo, in Student Mafia with jaybrundage, IT'S A SCUM TELL. He stated he was new two times in succession, so I gauged him with questions. It's how you play Mafia. Not go around "Hmm I think you're wrong, because you're wrong, and look I was always right so my reads are always right!" jesus.

And I said it's a FUNFACT!!!! I just thought it was INTERESTING that Sinensis had played a game 2.5 years ago! I'm not trying to fcking manipulate anything here; it still qualifies him as a noob because this is only his second game.

Those three things really make me suspicious? Like wtf. Half the town is inactive, other half spewing vitriole at each other. You're town but you gotta be more logical with this stuff. Also, you're obviously not going to die because you wifom'd your way out of it, so all we can do is hope your reads are correct.
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
February 05 2012 02:47 GMT
#321
I sure as hell hope I'm wrong. Or hope we have a good medic, or my mention of the medic made mafia change their mind about who to attempt to take down and went after sinani. But that may be just be optimism. I guess we will know shortly.


Why are you assuming that sinani is town? or that he is next best target?
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
February 05 2012 02:54 GMT
#322
On February 05 2012 00:56 Bluelightz wrote:
@ET

my choice is BaronFel because,

1).Hardcore Lurking!
2).Sheeping
3).Hardly contributing

Will explain more on this when I can, cause I gotta sleep now.


please do explain more, mr. light.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
February 05 2012 03:55 GMT
#338
On February 05 2012 12:25 TheToast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 12:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
How did you know Sinani was mafia? Can you give me any reasoning behind and of the issues I brought up?



Maybe you were just wrong in your rationale?


Well obviously I was. Sinani obviously had a very good plan going into this game.

I want to know how prphlz picked up on it though.


......sinani lurked, attacked someone who was on him (prplhz), and stayed off the townie bandwagon, to give himself an alibi. The last bit is slightly clever, but lurking and OMGUSing is, like, scum 101. That you kept on calling him town was just plain weird to me.

If no vigilante counterclaims, get your gdam vote off prplhz.
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
February 05 2012 04:29 GMT
#343
On February 05 2012 13:24 Sinensis wrote:
##Vote: prplhz

BAAWW I DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME EXPLAINING MY VOTE. Cry me a fucking river scum. I've suspected this joker since his first post.


...
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
February 05 2012 08:49 GMT
#361
On February 05 2012 16:51 Bluelightz wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 05 2012 14:52 BaronFel wrote:
Sorry for lurking bluelightz, I was really busy today I'll try to post more.

If you want my opinion, I was looking at prplhz after the time vote, but he was pretty logical and caught on to sinani so I have no real reason not to believe he isn't the vig.

I don't have a real big opinion on you, and it seems you don't either if you're just accusing me of lurking

Senensis as I said in day 1 seems to just be hampering the town and I really don't think he'll ever really try to help us find the rest of the scum...(I could overlook his day 1, but day 2 it's almost like he's trying to do this on purpose. If there was a joker in this game, I'd assume he was it xD)

##Vote: Sinensis



Don't be sorry mon XD XD XD, Just don't be sheep, and also don't waste the time you have when you can post.



Night Actions:

Anyway, our tainted is gone,I think there is a DT because of this.

Scum RB is gone <3

Here's a question to everyone

Should we mass-roleclaim? The RB is gone so scum cant prevent blues from getting checks, if we all agree the medic(if we have one) should hide


My reads on everyone:

EchelonTee
TheToast
Nisani201
Sinensis
mderg
[UoN]Sentinel
BaronFel
prplhz




I'm gonna read some more filters so I can conclude who I think is scum



1. mass-roleclaim: terrible idea, exposes blues at a stage where there is no need to. how could you even suggest this. You're really fixated on roles this game. You're not talking about anything that is tangibly pertinent. This is a NORMAL Mini Mafia; role discussion is just fluffy fluff at this point.
2. you managed to post a list of green and null tells. good job.

Did everyone forget about this post? It reflects a lot of my thoughts on bluelightz (wishywashy, posts nothing of use), yet it has gotten buried. Bluelightz never responded at all to the accusations, and his previous thought on who was scum (BaronFel), he now has as green? wtf?

Sinensis been drinking some of that crazy juice, but he's not most scummy in thread atm.

##Vote Bluelightz
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