I was using the word tunnel in the sense that you tend to focus COMPLETELY on one very specific person at a time when you had not looked at them at all before. Like I said, tunnel-ish. I lacked a better word.

I am downright puzzled at how this setup is balanced. I don't doubt that it probably is relativity balanced... but a scum team with communication nerfed and the list of power roles for town...

o_O

Is there like a lynch proof scum or some BS?

vaderseven

United States2556 Posts

February 10 2012 16:21 GMT

#1262

Whats with the vote/unvote thing?

Blazinghand

United States25562 Posts

February 10 2012 16:21 GMT

#1263

i would be very surprised if there was a lynch proof scum, since town doesn't have KP roles, it seems.

vaderseven

United States2556 Posts

February 10 2012 16:24 GMT

#1264

On February 11 2012 01:21 Blazinghand wrote:
i would be very surprised if there was a lynch proof scum, since town doesn't have KP roles, it seems.

I was half joking and half afraid that the idea is that the scum have to kill that scum... meaning checkmate if he is last dead.

I don't really believe that (if its the truth we can't really plan for it or counter it) but this town is full of power roles.

vaderseven

United States2556 Posts

February 10 2012 16:31 GMT

#1265

On February 10 2012 09:29 Jackal58 wrote:
iGrok said he might be late.
I have no interest in lynching redFF if I'm alive at the next day post. Nobody else should either.
However if red cannot or will not or gives a bogus explanation for his vote/unvote bs after tomorrow I will have no problem killing him over whoever else is remaining. I strongly urge which ever of us is remaining from Lanaia's pool of townies to take the same approach to red.

I basically can't find fault with this even with your claim in mind red.

redFF

United States3910 Posts

February 10 2012 16:33 GMT

#1266

meh im probably not going to tell you, so its up to you to decide if im bsing everything and zeph is town or im town and hes scum.

Blazinghand

United States25562 Posts

February 10 2012 16:35 GMT

#1267

I know what the deal was with the vote bs, V7. I can explain if you'd like.

Blazinghand

United States25562 Posts

February 10 2012 16:36 GMT

#1268

What we know from Lanaia's stuff
Investigated by Lanaia:
Blazinghand returned "town"
CWave returned "town

Uninvestigated:
Zephirdd
V7
GGQ
redFF

So far we have killed two mafia members, Scamp and Hesmyrr. In a balanced setup I'd anticipate two of the Uninvestigated players are mafia. It seems consistent to me that this be the case, so Zeph/GGQ as remaining scum.

Our blues
In terms of having a stacked town, we are now up to 3 confirmed roles, 2 unconfirmed roles.

confirmed: lanaia as DT, Rad as Inception, Jack as Senator
unconfirmed: V7 as DT, redFF as Bulletproof

This seems pretty stacked, right? 5 blues, 4 scum in a 15 player game with imperfect scumteam communication.

However, jack's role isn't that strong in this game, and he mostly stands as a win0condition-modifier:
"Mafia wins when they outnumber Town and Town has no killing roles remaining."

Jack's job was to make it so that in a 4-4 situation, Mafia wouldn't be able to control the vote before fulfilling their win condition.

That brings us down to 4 "real" blues. But we have no clue how strong inception agent is, and Bulletproof is good but redFF isn't a DT or a medic or anything. I'm not sure that it's imbalanced for all the claims to be true AND there to be exactly 4 mafia.

vaderseven

United States2556 Posts

February 10 2012 16:43 GMT

#1269

Thats it in a nutshell yes. Good point about the 'win condition mod.' That seems to make some sense. I still am honestly nervous about red but like...

From Scummiest to Not as Scummiest -

GGQ (99.9999% confirmed)
Zeph
RedFF

I keep thinking about Hess saying 5 scum.

I want to just turbo through these days now.

vaderseven

United States2556 Posts

February 10 2012 16:44 GMT

#1270

For reference:

On February 04 2012 10:24 Hesmyrr wrote:
Red, it's 5-5 today.

Blazinghand

United States25562 Posts

February 10 2012 16:45 GMT

#1271

Yeah I mean, I guess the big thing is, even if there's a 5th scum, we should GGQ and Zeph first. If there are 4 scum, we win, and if there are 5 scum, well... crap, we already lost several phases ago.

vaderseven

United States2556 Posts

February 10 2012 16:47 GMT

#1272

On February 03 2012 09:48 GreYMisT wrote:
Mafia wins when they outnumber Town and Town has no killing roles remaining.

On February 03 2012 10:02 iGrok wrote:
Mafia Wins when nothing can prevent them from winning. GreYMisT is dumb.

:p

That REALLY supports your theory BHands.

Blazinghand

United States25562 Posts

February 10 2012 16:48 GMT

#1273

Like, ASSUMING there are 5 scum, we can still get a draw, but only if redFF is clean. see, redFF is bulletproof, and after we've lynched GGQ and Zeph (and 2 of V7, blazinghand, and cwave have been shot), it'll be redFF and a scum player hanging out in the thread, unable to lynch or shoot, in a draw situation.

In the 5 scum situation, cwave or I is a godfather or vader7 is a scum DT.

vaderseven

United States2556 Posts

February 10 2012 16:48 GMT

#1274

ok g2g for now, ill check the thread tonight but I think we are mostly in a wait and see mode

Blazinghand

United States25562 Posts

February 10 2012 16:49 GMT

#1275

Cya. I think we basically have this locked up as a win for town if there's 4 scum, a draw if there's a 5th scum, or a loss of redFF is the 5th scum.

iGrok

United States5142 Posts

February 10 2012 17:13 GMT

#1276

Would anyone be opposed to switching to a 24/24 cycle?

redFF

United States3910 Posts

February 10 2012 17:16 GMT

#1277

v7 could be a scum rolecop of some sort doing some bussing of sexyness but i doubt that. If we lynch ggq and zeph and the game isn't over then we will have to look over stuff more carefully.

If 2 cops is true then it's highly likely there's a gf in this game.

redFF

United States3910 Posts

February 10 2012 17:16 GMT

#1278

like bh or cwave

Blazinghand

United States25562 Posts

February 10 2012 17:16 GMT

#1279

I would be in favor of switching to a 24/24 cycle.