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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 08 2012 00:39 GMT
#799
we have enough for either lynch people just need to make up their minds.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 08 2012 00:42 GMT
#808
RoL read too slowly or walked off lol
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 08 2012 00:44 GMT
#812
On January 08 2012 09:43 Refallen wrote:
Risk if you're some kind of role you should claim, just pointing ouy

Don't you even look at the setup?
Don't give angel of acolyte a free kill
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 08 2012 00:46 GMT
#817
Why is he signing up for another game if he legitimately doesn't have time? that's retarded.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 08 2012 00:53 GMT
#827
On January 08 2012 09:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Stupid bot never PMed me back, I sent like 2-3 votes.

did you put purgatory as the subject?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 08 2012 00:58 GMT
#840
On January 08 2012 09:57 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 09:56 Blazinghand wrote:
On January 08 2012 09:54 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Yeah, but I sent my new vote after the lynch rofl. Whoops! I thought it ended at 8:00, didn't realize it ended at a 45, how irritating.

On December 28 2011 15:39 Zona wrote:
Voting System:

This game utilizes the Instant Majority Lynch system. If at any point during the day over half the players alive are voting to lynch a particular player, that player will be instant

For some reason, I am not thinking right now. I knew that lol, until today all I have been doing is reading and analyzing the set up and trying to figure out how valid some plan I have is.

is it anything like risk's plan?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 09 2012 00:13 GMT
#961
It looks like there's a lot of holes in this plan.
It's bad when 1 scum player claims chaneller, It's bad if scum players just claim VT.
Just stick to analysis, Zona put in roles to prevent mass roleclaims from being a good strategy.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 09 2012 02:30 GMT
#984
Yeah I wouldn't put too much importance on Palmar's list there spaackle.
Also I'm going to assume that Palmar was the person that put you in purgatory HoD. It just makes more sense for the Channeler to protect syllo.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 09 2012 03:13 GMT
#994
The main difference here is that you think Syllo is Palmar's teammate while I think syllo is town.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 09 2012 03:14 GMT
#995
EBWOP That was @Jackal, Wiggles posted at the same time as me
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 09 2012 16:44 GMT
#1039
It's also possible that the AoD targeted Syllo/HoD and I think they're way more likely to attack Syllo than HoD.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 10 2012 04:07 GMT
#1127
I agree with you BH, RoL looks really scummy.
It's not the fact that he has been fairly inactive and "hustling" like erandorr but that he's been actively using his time to push a plan that is bad for town and defending his plan rather than scumhunting.
Since he is already coming kind of close to the lynch (would be 5/9) I'm going to refrain from voting until he comes in to defend himself.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 11 2012 04:13 GMT
#1259
I feel that between risk.nuke and RoL, Risk.nuke is the better lynch.

RoL seems to truly believe that the voting block and confirmed townies would be more helpful than the blues themselves and seems to have spent a lot of time considering the implications of the mass roleclaim. I get the feeling that he legitimately believes his plan is good for town, and he stands by it even after the town declared it anti-town.

The largest flaw in the plan is not the theory itself but the actual application. If only a portion of the town comes in to claim the whole plan falls apart, letting a portion of townies make claims is bad. Besides it's possible that we have a couple derp townies who would lie about their roles in order to save themselves or draw hits.

risk.nuke mentioned a plan that consisted of sitting back and observing posts and got pissed off at Syllo for ruining it. I think he has been overreacting to accusations. He also is using meta on other people yet when it's used against himself meta is worthless. The only thing I agree with is that Palmar's flip does make me think that you are less likely to be a demon, still though if you were an Angel of course you're going to ask to be checked in order to prolong your life.

With 20 hours to go we need to start consolidating our votes. I think risk.nuke is more likely scum than RoL but either one is preferable to a no-lynch.

##Vote: risk.nuke
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 11 2012 15:47 GMT
#1338
On January 12 2012 00:37 syllogism wrote:
Harbingerofdoom posted this day 1

Show nested quote +
Are people seriously trying to implicate me on the basis of "soft-defending" risk by voting Erandorr instead? Now, I can't speak for the people throwing suspicion on me, but I sure as hell don't know risk's alignment, and unless they somehow do, I don't see how it can be implicate me as being scum. Anyone trying to implicate me on this before risk flips is using shitty logic. If risk flips scum and then you want to come after me, then you have some logic on your side. I did not vote for risk nor comment on it much as I had (and still have) a null read on risk. Risk has been in every game I've played on here, and his play-style has varied too much from game to game for me to be comfortable with a day 1 read on him.

This sounds as if you knew he was going to flip town. I suppose the problem with that is that he could still have flipped the other scum team.

Grackaroni you have basically stopped playing. Another player who clearly does not care about the game at all.

It's not that I've stopped caring about the game. Some days I'm just busier than others. Obviously I've got some time right now so I'm going to catch up on the thread and find some scum.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 11 2012 15:51 GMT
#1340
I go to a boarding school. I have 1/2 days on wednesdays and saturdays.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 11 2012 17:54 GMT
#1355
Tyrran began the game the same as any other player, he gave a bit of advice and made some comments about the setup. The post that sticks out the most to me is his vote on erandorr.
On January 07 2012 21:50 Tyrran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2012 14:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

Tyrran:

He started out the game with very general advice. This seems weird, but it might be due to the mini games, in which I've seen new players do that to each other. Still something to note though, as scum like to use it to look like they're contributing.

Compared to steamship that you linked, he is much more careful and timid in this game. In steamship, just reading through his early posts, he didn't seem scared to call people out and ask direct questions. In that game, he was vanilla, however, so there could be something to do with the set-up contributing to his timidness (less likely because he talks about the set-up in this game), or he's some kind of power role.

Verdict: Scummy. Not as direct as his last game, and timid. However, I'm willing to give him slightly more time to see if he starts to contribute. Might be a good vig shot night 2.

Does anyone have a game in which Tyrran rolled scum that I can read?

@Tyrran, what do you think of the accusations against you? Who do you want to lynch?


People are basically trying to Meta me based on the single game I played before, which is a bit silly, but apparently that's the main scumhunt method on day 1. I agree that i'm not as aggressive as i could be, but i'm also less active due to more IRL stuff.

As for who i would lynch now, the three target i have in mind are Errandor , for lurking and being useless , Jackal 58 for being overly agressive on pamar with no real case behind it, and Palmar because i found your case solid.

Of course, you are going to ask me to pick one, and as i said before, i'm not aware of the meta enough to lynch someone based on meta alone. That's why i'm not going to vote on jackal and palmar and vote for Errandor instead. HIs filter is full of uselss post where he isnt even trying to help town, jsut saying random stuff not even related to the game ( BH being WBG smurf...).

Therefore, ##Vote : Errandor

Of course there's the obvious contradiction between Palmar having a solid case against him and Jackal being scummy for voting without a case. This is pretty weak justification for a vote. If you ignore the meta all you can really tell from erandorr is that he is inactive and does not want to be modkilled thus he should be a null read as opposed to you liking the Palmar case which seems more like you think he is scum yet chose to vote a null read instead. (yes I think BH's reasoning was weak too, it's the meta that made erandorr look scummy, not the "hustling".) You never actually explained the contradiction between Jackal/Palmar.

It doesn't help either that we ended the day early so he never got the chance to put down a 2nd vote but it looks like it would have been on risk.nuke.

On January 10 2012 18:55 Tyrran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 15:04 syllogism wrote:
Hello Tyrran is Risk still a null read to you and why? What do you think about these posts?


Syllogism, there are two days left why woudl I commit to lynching this soon. I took the topics of the time and wrote my thoughts on them. Then I wanted to see who would comment on it further, what they would say, who would push for their lynch etc. What the hell are you doing? commenting on how useless I am when you don't know my agenda which you just ruined because you didn't think it through. Or were you planning on pushing for my lynch today. Cause if you weren't there is nothing pro-town about calling me out. I'm town and you're forcing me to reveal what I wanted to do. If I had been scum you would had just tipped me off instead of saving it for a case you would write against me.


This post is really bad from him, wrong on so many aspect. I bolded the that is the most suspicious to me.
I think that in most cases calling someone out is a good think. It reminds townie that they should contribute more, and it puts pressure on scum people, which can only help town confirming that they are red. More often than not, it is pro-town to call people out. Risk claims to have only played as town so far, but doesnt know this ?

Also, why would he hide what he wanted to do ? A townie ( especially a VT as he claims to be) should not be hiding his plan. Either it is pro-town and he should share it, or it is not and he should forget about it. I dont think forcing someone to reveal what he wants to do is a bad thing.

This is really scummy from him.


So syllogism I don't like having meta thrown in my face. First of all nobody likes having meta thrown in thier face because it's not really something you can defend yourself against. But there are different sorts of meta. There are meta of people who have played alot of games who's meta can be very clear (erandorr). Then there is meta of people who have played games as both mafia and town. Then there is meta against me who have only played as town. I mean I've had people calling me out on meta in all of my games exept 1 or 2 and I've always been town including this time so I'm getting a bit sick of it.


So i'm new to TL mafia, but I am divided with Meta based argument. Meta is a great way to catch veteran, but using meta to catch player who only have played a few game. Now i dont know how many games risk.nuke has played, but i recall HoD mentioning that risk already was mislynched because of the same kind arument, which explains why he do not like them. At least he is consistent.




So yes, he is scummy and makes a valid lynch target. The first post you mention is strange and doesnt seem to come from a VT. The second however is null for me, it can comes both from scum or town. I think that he should realize that the only way you can defend yourself against META argument is to start making pro-town contributions. He hasnt started yet.I would like to make full use of the time allowed for day 2, but should no better lynch target occur by tomorrow, and should he not start contributing more, i'm okay with lynching him.

@Syllo : All your cases so far have been based on Meta. But what do you think of Jackal, Dirkzor and Cwave ? Are they scummy to you ?

I would also like to see RoL defend himself against BH caze, and Dirkzor defend himself against Layabout case.

@Cwave : I agree that i have contributed less than I should as town. I'm not going to go frontal with syllo/HoD because they call me scummy. The only way I can defend myself now is by making more pro-town contribution. That is what i intend to do.

Despite the first quote Tyrran seems townish to me. He had a pretty good justification for voting risk.nuke (as long as he was going to) He has been doing some scumhunting and his thoughts on RoL's plan seem completely reasonable. I wish there was more posts I could judge from but the only post that looks questionable to me is the first one I quoted. I don't think he is scum or the best lynch for tomorrow.
Checking Spaackle next.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 12 2012 22:55 GMT
#1460
On January 12 2012 12:05 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@Grackaroni, Spaackle, Cwave
I would like to hear a couple scum reads from each of you, along with brief explanations.

@Jackal
Zbot can count votes from a thread, not sure why Zona chose to use PM's for voting for this game (maybe because of the corrupted town deal?), but so be it. That thing is still fucking cool.

I think that RoL is scummy, and I've already explained a bit on him earlier. He is putting a lot of time into the game but not in scumhunting but instead in making an anti-town plan.

Spaackle is also probably scum.

On January 08 2012 11:30 Spaackle wrote:
Palmar:Filter (clicky)
1) Get Information -- Palmar has been pretty active in this goal. He's been putting forth a lots of questions (even if no one answers them). He also pressured Bluelightz for a good while, trying to get an actual response out of him. He's also been putting lots of pressure on Wiggles, but this was mostly in response to Wiggles' accusation of him. I'd like to see a bit more justification out of him though.

2) Create an Atmosphere -- Palmar has been acting pretty town here too. He's been answering questions, and in turn posing many more. His posting hasn't been very reactionary, and for the most part, he's been trying to keep the town discussing relevant subjects.

3) Figure out Plans -- As I said in the risk.nuke analysis, there's hasn't been much of this in this game. Palmar is one of the closest to actually doing this. He's been trying to keep discussion relevant, and I guess this eventually leads to plans.

Palmar is looking like a townie to me, but don't stop watching him.

His way of coming to the conclusion that Palmar is town looks suspect to me. He says he hasn't been very reactionary but Palmar only showed up when a case was made against him by Wiggles. His pressure on bluelightz was just a way of pretending to be participating. I just don't know how you could confidently jump to the conclusion that Palmar is town from the information he was giving.
He also shows a lot of wishy-washyness during the RoL lynch.
And of course he is lurking.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 13 2012 00:07 GMT
#1490
@Layabout: Do you really think that Bluelightz would only post bullshit posts as scum? I think it's just his general style to make posts to say he's reading the thread or that he is going to school/sleep and asking people to ask him questions.
Imagine he is scum this game. Do you think that he would act like this as town as well or is his scum play just worse than his not yet seen town play.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 13 2012 00:16 GMT
#1500
On January 13 2012 09:15 Spaackle wrote:
@ BH: yes.

Whoa, what I gathered from your filter was that you were no longer sure that RoL was scum and had a null read on him when you removed your vote.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 13 2012 00:18 GMT
#1502
On January 13 2012 09:17 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 09:16 Grackaroni wrote:
On January 13 2012 09:15 Spaackle wrote:
@ BH: yes.

Whoa, what I gathered from your filter was that you were no longer sure that RoL was scum and had a null read on him when you removed your vote.



YESSS see! I'm a fucking G

All I do is fuck bitches get money and reveal Spaackles contraditictions all day

oonts ootns oonts oonts

It shouldn't be all that hard really. He's done nothing but flip-flop on RoL. Scum buddies??
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