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Wiggles seems confident in his vote and I sincerely believe that he thinks Palmar is scum.
In fact Wiggles' case has been extremely helpful because it was what prompted Palmar to get into this game, even if it was originally just so he could call wiggles bad.
On January 07 2012 06:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 05:51 syllogism wrote:Wiggles what do you think about Erandorr and Risk nuke and don't you think that in a 6 scum game it would be safer play to lynch one of them or Tyrran as I would estimate that they are at least as likely to flip scum and are going to be considerably more worthless even if we happen to be wrong. I'm going out to eat in about 5 minutes. When I get back, I'll read through all their filters and give you my thoughts. The thing about lynching Palmar though, is that not many people here are going to be willing to lynch him later in the game. A lot of these newer players seem very reticent to lynch him, and I'm not sure why. They're coming up with excuses for his bad play, and trying to come up with flimsy excuses to not lynch Palmar. If I die, you die, or Jackal dies, not many people here would be willing to actually push a lynch on Palmar. They'll probably just sheep him to the victory of whatever scum faction he belongs to. Anyways, I'll be back later.
This I don't really agree with, I would be perfectly fine with lynching Palmar later in the game I just don't think lynching a veteran with strong town play based off of meta is a good idea. people seem to feel that his scum play is really weak so why not give him a chance, give him another day to catch some scum or to build a case based less on meta that he is normally more active and aggressive as town. The bottom line is that I think Wiggles is sincerely convinced that Palmar is scummy and that this is not a scum ploy. Wiggles play looks pro town to me.
But as for Jackal he seems less convinced that Palmar is actually scum, it looks more like he just dislikes him.
On January 06 2012 22:35 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 19:04 Tyrran wrote:On January 06 2012 11:14 Refallen wrote:
I'm thinking Jackal is town this game. At least, he appears to be taking a different route than on TLXLVIII when he was scum. Plus I don't think any scum would risk trying to outright lynch Palmar without a really detailed case.
I disagree with you here. From the few games I've read Palmar seems to be a efficient scum hunter.Bussing Palmar is therefore an good scum strat. Almost EVERY SINGLE one of Jackal post were attacking palmar. And he NEVER had more than 1 line of justification. He did not even refer to MrWiggles case. That is scummy play for me. Also note that as there is 2 scum faction, they can perfectly both be scum, one angel and one demon. I'll be looking at both of them today. Palmar need to step up his game, and Jackal needs to start become useful. Almost all of my day 1 posts attack Palmar. It's a habit. Not necessarily a bad one either.
Why do you always attack Palmar? He is not the best vote for today.
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Refallen I'm going to look more into you but please announce your votes before voting in the future.
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On January 07 2012 10:05 Zephirdd wrote:-> Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 09:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah I agree with you.
An Errandor lynch is much better than Palmar : more likely to flip scum and less chance of losing one of town's greatest assets.
##Vote: Errandor This is wrong too. You don't lynch a player because of "scum flipping chance" or "chance of losing one of town's greatest assets". If Palmar is scum, he must be lynched. Granted, Erandorr case is actually okay on my eyes. I just don't like the comparison.
Why wouldn't I? If I think a player is more likely to flip to be scum than the player leading the votes I am going to help sway people in the right direction. I don't think Palmar is scum, yes he has acted not very aggressively which goes against his town meta but I don't believe he is scum hence the less likely to flip scum than Erandorr.
As for the asset thing, the game I played with him he correctly identified the entire scum team on day1, in a game where he seemed uninterested in posting and lurked at the start. maybe his play was different for pretending to be a smurf? Palmar getting lynched day1 off of a case I don't agree with would be worse for town than a player such as you or I getting lynched.
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Refallen posted his suspicions of Palmar many times throughout his filter so I don't think this was any kind of underhanded scum tactic just an honest mistake.
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On January 08 2012 01:06 Tyrran wrote:Okay, so you list all my post, and then do not even try to make a case. Quoting all my post commenting them with a single word is not a case. People that know how to click on my filter button did not learn anything by looking at your "case" against me.
Even if BL's case isn't good you need to answer syllo's question.
Why do you agree with the Palmar case but criticize jackal for being agressive towards Palmar when there is "no real case behind it."
Also the Erandorr case is based off of him having a meta for lurking as scum.
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With only 6 hours left we definitely need to come to a decision on our lynch and unless somebody is very strongly convinced that Risk.Nuke isn't scummy and can present a better case he is going to be lynched.
I think it's scummy how defensive he is became after some pressure from syllo at the start and the fact that he has not given us leads or really defended himself but instead tries to accuse people attacking him as scum.
On January 07 2012 11:00 risk.nuke wrote:
Slowly and steadily I'm beeing raised to the top, scumagenda *cough*
This quote just gracks me up because he said it during a time when he only had 2 votes on him.
I'd like to give him at least a few more hours before hammering to give him a chance to come back into the thread and give us his ideas while he still can.
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@risk.Nuke you think syllo is scum?
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I'm happy as long as we can avoid a no-lynch.
Erandorr/risk.nuke both look scummy to me so either lynch is fine.
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I don't think theres much of a point to wait any longer
##Vote: risk.nuke
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I'm still here if we want to re-switch
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I've got time. from the looks of it though we need 5 votes and all I see is us on risk who's here.
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BH we all know this already. RoL is doing the same thing... the meta is what really differentiates erandorr from RoL
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I'm going to go back to Erandorr then, there's no harm in doing it I'll be here if we can't secure enough votes.
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I think Between RoL Palmar Wiggles and Layabout at least 3/4 will be able to accept that Erandorr is scum
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On January 08 2012 08:45 syllogism wrote:
I haven't been pushing the meta case against Erandorr, but he really wouldn't play like this as town. He even signed up for TL mafia L so he isn't burned out or busy; he just loathes playing as scum. In election mafia he hydraed with curu and refused to post at all due to rolling scum. Yesterday he lied about being sleepy, while I know he had been and still was playing dota 2 and kept playing for at least an hour after making the post (I went to sleep by that point). Such pure meta cases are annoying to push and I thought the case against risk was better in terms of it actually constituting as "playing mafia". But erandorr really can't be town
and we have 42 minutes
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Palmar also said he would do it if we got the people by now, not sure if he's still here.
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lol BH I told you that, you should read the thread more closely
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@BH/Layabout
FFS, they are probably both going to flip scum, we just need to avoid a no-lynch.
Right I think you guys just want to be the person able to brag about finding scum.
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