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On December 14 2011 12:31 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 12:24 zeks wrote:
Switching through 3~ish candidates in the last minutes is pretty bad Radfield
Hope it doesnt come to this tomorrow. Yep, that seems to be my style these days  Day 1 is not my strong suit, but I can guarantee I will do better Day 2 I have plenty of time over the next few days. If I was scum, I would doublestack Arctocod tonight. I highly recommend all medics cover them, it leaves mafia free to snipe other players, but I think that is an OK trade-off. There is a chance that Arctocod removed themselves in order to buy town credit. I find this highly unlikely: 1. If Arctocod was scum, they would have removed me from office, as I am far more likely to find them out than any other player. 2. That would be a substantial waste of a very important role. We don't know what elections will be in the future, and some may be very beneficial for mafia to get. Using it now to buy a little town cred is a waste. 3. Mafia wants the elected roles filled with mafia. If they used the ability on themselves it simply allows a chance for a different townie to get elected.
Are you referencing LotR? please don't reference early game LotR. It makes me sad.
Hopefully we can get more posts out of nisani tomorrow, I am going to return to studying and bed.
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@Artocod how would you have reacted? immediatly discredit the post made by the moderators of the game? we did ask them for details and they said they couldnt give any. Also in their post it said vote for you would no longer be tallied, and we had to choose another to not be modkilled. What would you suggest we do then? take the risk and stay on you?
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On December 14 2011 19:19 Cwave wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 11:49 GreYMisT wrote:
The spaackle quote is quite interesting, is there anything else about him that you are suspicious of?
Also one of the reason MrZentor lives at the expense of Spaackle. That's all you needed for last minute switching to Spaackle, Greymist?
MrZentor also hard claimed blue, it would be stupid to kill him day1.
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On December 15 2011 03:58 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:30 risk.nuke wrote:
You're the guys with double moral. You want to elect a good player despite alignment to keep them alive, the next thing you want to shoot dropbear because he hasn't done anything yet. That's a load of... ... ... and as far as I am concerned by beeing quiet dropbear atleast haven't caused town a ton of harm like radfield. You didn't even comment on what you thought of me running to keep it out of scumhands. wtf was that. I mean you should atleast have said what you thought of it, good idea, bad idea, something but the fact that you just ignored it and told everyone to vote the professors makes me so damn uneasy on you and it's by far the scummiest thing I think you did last night.
And greymist as far as I am aware is just decent at mafia, plain average. And if I were a vig I'd vig the one I have get mountainhigh scumchills on without hesitation. I guess the disconnect here is that I haven't ever been in a game with dropbear where he has played well. OK yes, but not well. I would put him almost in the exact same boat as greymist, though it's possible dropbear has played well in games I have not seen. As far as my actions last night, I wanted to get the election talk out of the way and move onto the lynch. Ideal scenario for mafia is Arctocod withdraws, and we spend the rest of the time bickering about who gets elected. Curu can play a strong game of mafia, and is a likely hit if he is town. If not him I would have chosen prplhz. I think you are far less likely to die tonight then you think you are. What specifically points you towards scum on greymist. I see him as pretty likely town right now.
I would like to know this as well, I've been asking him about it all game long.
Why do you insist on taking extreme action on the baseless assumptions that I am scum and Dropbear is mafia? you are so sure and yet you have not said a single thing to back it up, other than just having "instinct". Contrast this with your town play in newbie mafia where you were killed because you were starting to make sense and were one of the only players using logic. Hate to make it seem like an OMGUS, but unless I see more of that risk.nuke and less of the current one, you will continue to shift from "misguided townie" to "scum"
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On December 15 2011 07:58 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 14 2011 11:02 risk.nuke wrote:No I'll be damned if you actually lynch nisani. ANYONE who votes for him I will consider to be scum. same for Zentor. Why? Because if they were mafia their buddies would had putten a stop to this ages ago. Now I'll tell you something about bandwagons. Bandwagons are almost always influenced by mafia. due to the uncertainty of townies it's nearly impossible for a bandwagon to kick of without the mafia influencing it. Thats why in 99% bandwagon cases you're either lynching a townie or scum is bussing. Okay, this post. What is going on with this post? He's threatening to attack anyone who votes for the 2 present lynch candidates (or so I gather from the thread - the consensus seems to be that the lynch is either Zentor or Nisani). Why? Because if they were mafia, their buddies would had putten a stop to this ages ago. You know, like he's doing here. He backs it up with fear tactics (Bandwagons almost always "influenced by mafia") and imaginary statistics (99% bandwagon cases you're either lynching a townie or scum is bussing). My read on risk.nuke gets redder and redder. Why isn't anyone considering this guy seriously? You do realise that YOU are nisani...
He was saying that zentor and nisani were the top lynch candidates at that time, not that they should be now...
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From phone: there are a lot more people in this game who are making more sense than you atm risk. Why ask for medic protection? Especially when you have contributed nothing to the game so far.
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On December 15 2011 11:16 bumatlarge wrote:
Ok... so assumng this is a shot shot deal, they used it to prevent a mayor pick (who didn't seem to have the lead) as opposed to a lynchproof pick? That seems like an easy end game for mafia, seems rather stupid unless it was done by town. I could understand a town person doing that rather then making someone lynch proof. I'd claim that if I were you.
Unless I read the rules wrong :X
I was not aware people could be made lynchproof. are you refering to the pardoner ability?
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I agree with the election selections, no one can argue otherwise really.
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he is the replacement for dropbear.
Bum the reason we are going for Giygas and arct is that we are more sure than really any other person that they are town, due to the events that transpired around them.
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Am i correct in thinking that there are no bodygaurds for this election? and that the only thing that happens with the secretary of defense is that his role is revealed? then upon re-reading and thinking about it we need to treat the runner up slot like a second lynch. I want palmar in the elected spot so i am going to vote for him, but i am considering MrZentor as the runner up. voting him into the runner up will be a win-win for town. if he is town and he did not lie about his roleclaim, then the mafia gains nothing. however if he lied about it and he isnt unlynchable day one, we know who to target next.
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I am curious to hear what Radfield thinks about who to lynch today based on the events that took place during the night.
I am going to put my vote down on Risk.Nuke for now. I have been mentioning the things wrong with his posts since midway through day one, and if you look back i posted a sample of his day1 analysis in newbie mini mafia, and compared it to his posting here. Not only does a drastic difference exist, but one that suggests a mafia agenda. In newbie mafia he was tasked with activly looking for scum, and his posting reflected that. on the other hand if he rolled mafia, he doesnt have to scum hunt, and that is reflected in his posts this game. Not to mention his refusal to provide reasoning behind his suspicions and thoughts.
On another not we need to make sure arcto ends up as the elected official. I am fairly certain due to the events that have taken place yesterday, as well as due to his posting, that he is town.
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On December 15 2011 14:02 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 13:30 GreYMisT wrote:
he is the replacement for dropbear.
Bum the reason we are going for Giygas and arct is that we are more sure than really any other person that they are town, due to the events that transpired around them. Hmm ok, but I think we should be a bit aggressive with the second voting spot. It's a public rolecop check, so let's use it as such. It seems better to have someone we can deduce as mafia and not be able to lyncht the next day, rather then out a townie to prevent something that would never happen anyway. One of the two as surgeon general sounds superduper.
I was suggesting MrZentor for the time being because i do not have a better idea yet for the rolecheck, I am fine with another but i felt that putting Zentor there will confirm or deny a lot of the loose ends day1 left.
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Ok with the confirmation from kiyamsn that the runner up does recieve a unique power, we should defiantly elect Giygad into that position. The reason for this is because, as I said before, he has already announced his role. Therefor, the potential drawback that his role would be revealed to the mafia is null, as it already has been. Arcto should still be elected in the 1st position because he has not yet revealed his role, and that happening could be detrimental to the town (although he is already a pretty big target if his hit claim is true.)
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On December 16 2011 00:39 Arctocod wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 00:35 GreYMisT wrote:
Ok with the confirmation from kiyamsn that the runner up does recieve a unique power, we should defiantly elect Giygad into that position. The reason for this is because, as I said before, he has already announced his role. Therefor, the potential drawback that his role would be revealed to the mafia is null, as it already has been. Arcto should still be elected in the 1st position because he has not yet revealed his role, and that happening could be detrimental to the town (although he is already a pretty big target if his hit claim is true.) What are you talking about? Where did everyone get the idea that Secretary of Defense's role will be announced in public? All it says is that no one will know what the position does until elections are over, and even then only the person elected into that position will be told about it. Giygas should be the Surgeon General
Ah I see, I misinterpreted the way it works. That makes a ton more sense now. In any case, I still believe the election should go to both you and Giygas, but now that I know there is no role reveal, I am torn on if you would be better in the second spot due to its potential. Do you believe Giygas can accurately use the surgeon generals powers?
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EBWOP: use his powers "effectively"
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On December 16 2011 02:53 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:Relevant part of post from earlier: + Show Spoiler +On December 15 2011 17:15 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:The saving grace for him in my eyes is his dislike of Greymist's play. I agree with him on this. I have played one other game with Greymist, and he was scum in that game. He seems to be playing quite similar to how he did in that game. In both games he asks a ton of questions to various people, only to land on whatever seems like a fairly easy lynch to pull off with minimal real analysis. He also tends to enjoy answering simple questions such as hours remaining in the day, votes required for lynch, etc. While certainly nice to do, it also gives you a way to seem like you are helping when you are in fact only providing information already available to everyone. His filter from this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=120900¤tpage=Alland from Steamship: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=120900¤tpage=AllI'd be interested to hear input on this from anyone else with prior experience playing with him. Does he tend to do this as town as well? If he does, then obviously this case on him is significantly weakened, but regardless I have yet to see much out of him so far that makes me think he is likely to be town. /Harbinger Arctocod, I'm assuming at least one of your halves has played with Greymist when he was town before, does he normally play like this as town? In steamship, as scum, he was on the top two vote getters day 1 and day 2, here he already managed to get a vote in on every one of the top 3 vote getters on day 1. Also, as I'm sure most people are aware, some people are just easier to get lynched than others due to the way they play. Scum obviously love to push for lynches that they think will be easiest to pull off. Two of the people getting votes yesterday were Nisani and MrZentor. Show nested quote +So for now ##Unvote: MrZentor and ##Vote: Nisani201 until he can provide me reason not to. This is a quote from Greymist. From Steamship. Scum preying on the same players as he did in a previous game? Seems quite plausible to me.
except when I was scum in steamship I only pushed one of those players each day. Yesterday I swapped off of MrZentor for a logical reason, and I ultimatly ended up agreeing with radfield what the nisani lynch was not a good idea at that time due to lack of posting.
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While that is a "possible" explination sheth, It is far too prone to risks for a scum team to attempt. If what you are saying is true and arcto and giygas are scum, then they would be in an even better position now if they had just left arcto in office, and used the kp on a more active townie than Eii.
Now that MrZentor has been confirmed I would like to hear what Zeks has to say, he has been at MrZentor's throat for a while now.
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On December 16 2011 06:09 Arctocod wrote:
His play seems very strange if he is scum. He is attracting a lot of attention, posting quite a bit and being aggressive. His latest post about changing his style also feels genuine to me. I don't see what makes him more likely scum than all the useless people we've around. While he isn't one of my strongest town reads, I don't think he is a good target.
But in his post about changing his style, you don't find it odd that he essentially gave an excuse not to scumhunt anymore today?
you are right however that he is doing a very good job at attracting attention, though i am not completely sold on the fact that mafia would never do this.
ill take a look over the tread for an alternative lynch, though i am not completely sold on risk being town, his behavior just has not been helpful at all.
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Just to note, I do agree with artco getting into the 2nd slot now. I am keeping my vote on him to ensure that he recieves second place, some of us still need to do that.
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MrZentor, can you direct me to your full case against zeks? as far as i can see your only formal accusations against him have been that he is scum because he was wary of the hydras.
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