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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 12 2011 19:14 GMT
#351
I'm not going to go as far as say that it's "stupid" in general, without any further qualifiers. Lynching a good player based on a relatively weak case is always bad and it's very unlikely I would for instance advocate lynching radfield the mayor on day 2 unless he clearly isn't making sense, which is one of the easier ways to catch a good player like him.

Sheth I do find it somewhat strange how you've been pushing the "rad is legit/town" angle a few times already without really explaining why, especially considering how little he has actually said so far.
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 12 2011 19:24 GMT
#355
Hey radfield don't you find it a bit strange how no one is arguing against you being elected yet, even subtly? It's always either vote for us both or vote for rad+someone else. I even opened the door for that when I stated early on that I found your first post a bit off
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 12 2011 19:30 GMT
#357
Thing is sheth, that post says nothing about his alignment. I'm not saying that Radfield must be scum, but when you're scumhunting you have to look beyond what's being said.

Radfield would make that post as scum or town. Everyone knows he'd be running for mayor as town, so it's only logical he also runs as scum. Same can be said for me and syllogism. Thus it's simply incorrect to try and deduce anything about a player's alignment from a post like that, as it's predictable play as town, and thus as scum too.

What will eventually reveal Rad's alignment is his ability or inability to use reason. He is so good at mafia, that if he ever makes a logically incorrect decision, he must be scum. Same can be said about myself and Syllo. We do not use bad logic. That's why we're both transparent as scum, and why we're in this position of being almost unanimously voted on day 1 without any effort.

/Palmar
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 13 2011 06:05 GMT
#431
Dropbear can you adequately explain why you announced your candidacy, attacked hydras for their supposed "inactivity" and then disappeared off the face of the planet. Thanks in advance

ProfessorBadass (Curu+Erandoor) you too, except for the attack on hydras? Erandorr I expect you to to post too and please sign your posts

/syllogism
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 13 2011 06:28 GMT
#436
Cascades: I don't think it's great and will be judging such situations on a case by case basis, even if Rad gets mayor. If such a scenario occurs and he disagrees with my opinion on the better lynch, I will be quite suspicious, however. It's also possible that there are other anonymous voters in the game besides just the mayor.
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 13 2011 09:40 GMT
#451
No, we are definitely not going to be giving ProfBadass (curu+erandorr) and Dropbear any "leeway". They ran for mayor, announced or implied that they would be active and scum hunting and then disappeared. I will almost certainly be pushing to lynch one of them unless they both can reasonably explain townie motivations behind such actions.
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 13 2011 10:13 GMT
#452
@DropBear:

I want you to explain a few things:

On December 12 2011 15:09 DropBear wrote:
I am running for mayor too


Why are you running for Mayor? What's the motivation behind it? Do you think scum is more likely to be wanting to off you than say, Radfield? Me/syllo? Super/Annul?

If you do, why haven't you pushed any more for being voted? Did you actually not want to be voted into office? You only have a single post following your announcement post, that's probably the most disinterested campaign I've ever heard. Did you maybe only run in the off case someone voted you?

On December 12 2011 15:09 DropBear wrote:
I don't think voting for any of the hydras is a good idea, they are hydras because they don't have the time/effort to be involved individually. Vote for a single player people.


I find it kinda ironic you accuse us and the other hydras of not having time or be willing to put in the effort, and then you make that single election post and disappear off the face of the earth. Do you see any particular pro-town reason for immediately discrediting several strong players?

On December 12 2011 15:37 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 15:20 Arctocod wrote:
Dropbear why you so mafia?

Cos this tactic worked so well last time Palmar -_-


That was acctually syllogism who wrote this, but nonetheless, why are you appealing to meta from another game to defend yourself? I mean, if you really are town, why wouldn't you just prove it through your actions this game?

/Palmar
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 13 2011 10:36 GMT
#454
Who do you think is scum? Did time zones make your posts disappear because that's your second real post in the game, which doesn't appear to be "posting heavily". It's almost 10pm in Australia right now, so I guess you have just been really busy? Probably should have thought about your busy schedule when you decided to run for mayor
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 13 2011 10:42 GMT
#456
On December 13 2011 19:27 DropBear wrote:
I don't want Arctocod for several reasons, or Curu/Erandorr for that matter. Firstly I really don't like or trust hydras. Read the Protactinium thread if you want to see my feelings on them. With multiple people playing on one account it's much more difficult to differentiate their behaviour and get a read on them.

As to low hydra activity, in games that I have played in with hydras, people have shared an account because they didn't have time to play a full game, see Protactinium in mafia 38 and JACCUZISPLAT in PYPI. I assumed that would be the case here. Why else would you ask to play as a hydra?


Protactinium was an unannounced hydra. This is bullshit and you know it. Actually your example of Jaccuzisplat is excellent because it directly disproves your point. Kitaman27 played a decent game there, but redFF derp'd hard enough for both of them to be figured out as scum. Thus your point about it being harder to figure out hydras is at best wrong, and at worst fear tactics.

On December 13 2011 19:27 DropBear wrote:
As for the "dodge" from Arctocod, in Mafia XLIV Palmar launched an absurd aggressive attack on me after my first post. He managed to spam up the first 20 pages or so, aggressively attacked everyone who defended me and caused a general shitstorm. Surprise surprise I was a medic. I panicked and made several mistakes after that. That game severely pissed me off, he's doing it again and I'm not biting this time.


That thing was done for a reason. If you don't remember I completely discarded the case on you in favor of a case on BrownBear, it was an experiment to try and catch mafia from reactions to mad tunneling, you were simply an unfortunate victim of that. The scumhunting part worked beautifully, but yes, it destroyed town atmosphere because people are pussies.

That doesn't change the fact you're appealing to another game to try and disprove an attack upon you. Why is that?

On December 13 2011 19:27 DropBear wrote:
The last thing I want to address is my supposed inactivity. I'm in a different time zone to all of you. I'm unlikely to be posting heavily when most of you are because of this. Not only this but it's just over halfway through day 1, give me a chance!


Does Australia not have a 24hour day like the rest of the world? For someone runnning for mayor it's very strange to have only posted twice, with one of them being a one-liner. Especially seeing as unlike for example the europeans, it's now 10 pm in Australia, which should mean that you've had two evenings worth of posting by now, unlike the europeans who've only had one evening so far (it's 11 am here).

I didn't ask you to post at a specific time, I asked you to post....

/Palmar
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 13 2011 10:49 GMT
#458
On December 13 2011 19:45 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 19:36 Arctocod wrote:
Who do you think is scum? Did time zones make your posts disappear because that's your second real post in the game, which doesn't appear to be "posting heavily". It's almost 10pm in Australia right now, so I guess you have just been really busy? Probably should have thought about your busy schedule when you decided to run for mayor

I'm in Perth, its in Western Australia. It's 645pm here. I've been busy digging up lawns all day and I finished about 45 minutes ago. I haven't had a chance to put a case together yet because I've been responding to your and Spaackle's accusations. Give me a minute geez.


Alright, your story is consistent, your absence is explained, and while you're dumb for distrusting us, it doesn't make you scum.

I expect you to contribute heavily tonight, but for now you're off the lynching block.

*Palmar hands DropBear a minute*

There you go! Use it well.

/Palmar
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 13 2011 10:59 GMT
#461
Oh wow, my memory of that game is retarded.

Who cares, you still suck for not posting more. Fix it.
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 13 2011 12:52 GMT
#476
Radfield: I actually agree with almost everything you said there, so that's probably a good sign. I also agree with dropbear on xsksc.

/syllogism
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 13 2011 16:21 GMT
#492
Sheth, I want to lynch you. How do you feel about that?
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 13 2011 16:36 GMT
#494
Yo supersoft, why are you so useless.

Talk to me baby, tell me what's wrong? Who do you think is mafia?
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 13 2011 16:41 GMT
#496
The case on prplhz is awful, that doesn't make him town, but it makes the case invalid. However I am very much leaning town on prplhz for now.

I think the case on Zeks is terrible too. I've yet to read Zentor.
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 13 2011 16:55 GMT
#498
Can you elaborate on why you think Sheth is town? Cause I think I've not often seen so much non-sense come from a single person in one day.
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 13 2011 17:52 GMT
#505
On December 14 2011 02:26 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
Just for the record, I will be letting the other half of the hydra decide our lynch vote for today. I mean, I do want to get him hooked on TL mafia, and I feel like he needs to be more involved for that to happen. Expect some posts from him regarding his lynch target of choice ^_^

/Harbinger

I don't quite understand the motivation for this post. If you are town, shouldn't you care who gets lynched today? Wouldn't you just discuss the lynch with your team mate instead of apparently just letting him decide? Why are you announcing it beforehand? Isn't the point of playing hydra to decide big decissions together? Seems to me he can be involved in this manner as well.

/syllogism
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 13 2011 19:35 GMT
#532
On December 14 2011 04:16 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 03:59 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
So, as to avoid the same mistake I made with prplhz... would you guys check what I'm been reading up on about risk.nuke.

His posts don't make much sense hes just wildly accusing whoever for no reason. He started off calling FoS on Deus-Ex and then drops it randomly and accuses Gylgas, TotallyNot2ppl, Arcto and a few others. A lot of just confusing things added in by him. I'm NOT saying hes mafia, just that I think his posts also show very little logic. And I'm simply pointing them out to the rest of you guys. Thoughts anyone ?

I dropped supersoft because I got a townread on his responses, sure they were idiotic but they were idiotic townie responses. However rather then screaming I THINK SUPERSOFT IS TOWN, I wanted to leave it. I could still had avoided saying that by using something more discrete but sigh, I just know this will come back so I'll say what I feel and be done with it. I'm not randomly accusing. I'm not accusing TnTp. A few others is just 1. Graymist.


Hey risk.nuke, do you want to lynch sheth?
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 13 2011 19:38 GMT
#534
On December 14 2011 03:59 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
So, as to avoid the same mistake I made with prplhz... would you guys check what I'm been reading up on about risk.nuke.

His posts don't make much sense hes just wildly accusing whoever for no reason. He started off calling FoS on Deus-Ex and then drops it randomly and accuses Gylgas, TotallyNot2ppl, Arcto and a few others. A lot of just confusing things added in by him. I'm NOT saying hes mafia, just that I think his posts also show very little logic. And I'm simply pointing them out to the rest of you guys. Thoughts anyone ?


You seem to be under the impression you made a mistake with prplhz? Can you please explain what mistake you think you made?
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Arctocod
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway251 Posts
December 13 2011 19:49 GMT
#538
On December 14 2011 04:39 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 04:17 GreYMisT wrote:
On December 14 2011 03:59 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
So, as to avoid the same mistake I made with prplhz... would you guys check what I'm been reading up on about risk.nuke.

His posts don't make much sense hes just wildly accusing whoever for no reason. He started off calling FoS on Deus-Ex and then drops it randomly and accuses Gylgas, TotallyNot2ppl, Arcto and a few others. A lot of just confusing things added in by him. I'm NOT saying hes mafia, just that I think his posts also show very little logic. And I'm simply pointing them out to the rest of you guys. Thoughts anyone ?


Sheth if you could "Call down the thunder" on one player in this game right now, who would it be?


Either Zeks or Zentor. They've both shown that even if there not mafia, there not going to be too helpful in finding real mafia and might just confuse us more.


Please elaborate on these points. Why do you think Zeks is not going to help us find mafia? Can you explain in what way he has shown that he's not going to help?
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