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jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
December 04 2011 04:36 GMT
#121
Every time i post something there's a bunch of more posts to read lol. guess thats a good thing tho lol
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
December 04 2011 04:38 GMT
#122
@jay: our goal is to produce a fair amount of comment without any spam. Ideally we make people talk, in a fashion that's fairly easy to keep track of, and maximize the opportunity for mafia to slip up.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
December 04 2011 04:40 GMT
#123
On December 04 2011 13:35 Adam4167 wrote:
We cannot have no-lynches in this game due to the voting rules.

Thanks, I spaced on that. I swear I read that earlier!

On December 04 2011 13:35 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 13:11 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Hey guys!

Great to be joining. I think that when we vote we should make sure people did not mispeak.
I think that we all need to figure out what we want to do as a group.

What do you think?

Another guy with literally 1 post that says nothing. obvious we shouldn't lynch people for misspeaking. And... of COURSE we need to figure out what to do as a group. We VOTE on the lynch.

What do I think? I think you're either absurdly unhelpful or a mafioso doing a bad job of blending in. You're the same as the people who haven't posted yet, because YOU HAVEN'T POSTED ANYTHING YET.

This is exactly how I feel about this guy as well. It's why I asked him earlier about his opinion on Lynch All Lurkers, and I still haven't heard back on that. It's the one post in the thread that has felt truly scummy to me so far.
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
December 04 2011 04:44 GMT
#124
Also, I failed spelling on my last vote.
##Vote: Bbyte
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
December 04 2011 04:45 GMT
#125
Does capitalization matter in ##Vote statements?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
December 04 2011 04:50 GMT
#126
##Unvote Electricblack
##Vote ElectricBlack
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
December 04 2011 05:20 GMT
#127
Actually, BKEXE is more suspicious than ElectricBlack, since he's actually showed up and actively posted BS, whereas ElectricBlack is in the UK and likely asleep. Electricblack, I expect you to post and comment and weigh in and be helpful when you wake up-- but I can't really say you're a lurker for not posting at 4 am, lol.

##Unvote ElectricBlack


BKEXE, you have earned my scorn.

##Vote BroodKingEXE

I want to hear what you have to say. Don't flop around like you did in your first post. Be a man. Do the right thing.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
December 04 2011 05:34 GMT
#128
Blazinghand, that's a good point. It looks like all of the people who have not posted are probably doing so because of time zones.

As such, I'm dropping my vote (assuming I'm formatting properly!) and will put it back on if one of our four "lurkers" hasn't posted in the next 12-16 hours.

##Unvote: BByte
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
December 04 2011 05:36 GMT
#129
Hey Blazinghand sorry if I came around to be a little shady.
I was just trying to feed into the conversation, about the voting. How do we want to plan the lynching with the time zone difference? I feel like this will be a major roadblock as it will be 12 AM for our friends in the UK.

As for my earlier comment I just wanted to say hi. Did not mean to get off on the wrong foot
Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
December 04 2011 05:40 GMT
#130
No problem, BKEXE. Glad to see you're back.

The time zone difference is a problem, but that's why we start discussing early-- so we have several rounds of discussion before the lynch. This is why it's crucial to get talking and voting as soon as possible.

What do you think of "Lynch All Liars" and/or "Lynch All Lurkers"? I'd like to hear your thoughts on these policy issues.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
December 04 2011 05:41 GMT
#131
The timezone difficulties can be worked around, we just have to make sure we don't leave it till the last minute.
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
December 04 2011 05:42 GMT
#132
On December 04 2011 14:20 Blazinghand wrote:I want to hear what you have to say. Don't flop around like you did in your first post. Be a man. Do the right thing.

On December 04 2011 14:36 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Hey Blazinghand sorry if I came around to be a little shady.
I was just trying to feed into the conversation, about the voting. How do we want to plan the lynching with the time zone difference? I feel like this will be a major roadblock as it will be 12 AM for our friends in the UK.

As for my earlier comment I just wanted to say hi. Did not mean to get off on the wrong foot


Hi,

this also feels noncontributive. I feel like what Blazinghand was looking for was more of an opinion on one of the matters we've been discussing in the thread. If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to hear what you have to say about the Lynch All Lurkers policy discussed a couple of pages back. Adding questions but no answers isn't really posting content, at least not in my eyes.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
December 04 2011 05:47 GMT
#133
Aww yeah velinath cranking up the pressure.

BKEXE you'll note that you have yet to convince me to unvote you.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
December 04 2011 05:51 GMT
#134
Hey guys,

Well I think that Lynching any inconsistent comments is definitely a good idea. We need to be sure that any information we are getting is consistent and to keep the amount of strategies that the mob could be using low. As for the lurkers I agree that when in doubt we should vote for the lurkers. The information that they have could be useful or they could just be neglecting to play the game, which means they should not be playing at all.
Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
December 04 2011 05:54 GMT
#135
Speaking of inconsistencies, you mention voting for any inconsistent statement here, but in your previous post you say:

On December 04 2011 13:11 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think that when we vote we should make sure people did not mispeak.


What changed your mind, or is this a misstatement?
ey215
Profile Joined June 2010
United States546 Posts
December 04 2011 05:55 GMT
#136
On December 04 2011 13:35 Blazinghand wrote:
In fact, given that most of those people are European, it's fairly likely they're asleep. I'm going to discuss our other semi-lurkers.

ey215 has made a single post so far:

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On December 04 2011 13:01 ey215 wrote:
On December 04 2011 12:52 xsksc wrote:
On December 04 2011 12:35 xtfftc wrote:
On December 04 2011 12:06 xsksc wrote:
What do you guys think of policy lynches in general? Do you think they are a good idea, if so, why?

Personally I disagree with lynching a lurker JUST because they're lurking, in a game like this anyway. The risk of hitting a townie is way too high.

Lynch all liars is a great idea though. It discourages people from lying right from day 1, the only people with a good reason to lie are scum.

Both sound great but in reality they don't work. Lynch All Liars.. People get lies and opinions mixed up all the time, and even when a lie is a lie, eventually you realise that there are different types of lies and lynching for some of them is a bit too much. Then comes the argument that if we lynch everyone caught in a lie, townies would stop lying, so we would not have to deal with all of this. But the reality is that you lynch a townie for lying, then you lose the game because of wasting a lynch in order to teach the liars a lesson, then you join another game and you realise that there's so many other players you have to teach that same lesson, and so on. If we start doing it in every single game, it might work after a while. But when you've invested a week in the game, you don't want to throw it away just because some townie attempted a stupid gamble. All you are focused on is lynching mafia.

And townies tend to get lynched for lying all the time anyway, even without having the policy in place - simply becase when someone is caught lying, they are usually accused of being mafia.

Agreeing upon whether someone is lukring or not is easier but simply lynching all lurkers is not optimal. What's important is that people realise that sometimes every active player is a townie. If your analysis leads you to the conclussion that the active players are townies, then you start lynching lurkers. That's the best we can do.


I don't understand your part about lynch all liars. Think about it logically, if we say, "Lie and you're gonna get lynched" then no townie is going to lie, are they? It's not just to teach a lesson, scum benefit greatly from lies and deceit. I want lynch-all-liers in effect today.

Also, on day 1 it's very easy for scum to post nonsense and get away with it, because day 1 can be such a mess, hell, sometimes the most active players are scum. Just because someone posts a lot doesn't make them town, lol. Look at the last newbie mini-game. Ciryandor was scum, and he posted more analysis than anyone, everyone assumed he was town and that was a big reason why town lost.






Hi all!

Lynch all Liars is rough, sometimes you need to use your head and be able to tell the difference between a lie and a misunderstanding or misstatement. In games where people are posting a lot it's very easy for people to misspeak not realizing what exactly they've said in the past. I would think some common sense would help here. If it's an outright lie, by all means lynch away. If it's a misstatement and we've got a better case on someone it's better to let it slide.

On the lurker bit, I do think there's a time and place for lynching. If we don't have a case on someone it's better to lynch a lurker than someone active. If they're lurking then they're not contributing or giving us something to go on. Of course, if we've got a good case on someone it's better to lynch them.

Looking forward to this.


He basically says... absolutely nothing. He indicates that we need to use common sense about lies, and that we should lynch scum before lurkers if possible. That's very accurate, ey215, but it's clever how you've managed to say nothing of any import, and this is your sole post, AND you're awake (american).

No substance, all fluff. Noob or Mafia? too early to tell.




Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 13:11 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Hey guys!

Great to be joining. I think that when we vote we should make sure people did not mispeak.
I think that we all need to figure out what we want to do as a group.

What do you think?

Another guy with literally 1 post that says nothing. obvious we shouldn't lynch people for misspeaking. And... of COURSE we need to figure out what to do as a group. We VOTE on the lynch.

What do I think? I think you're either absurdly unhelpful or a mafioso doing a bad job of blending in. You're the same as the people who haven't posted yet, because YOU HAVEN'T POSTED ANYTHING YET.


Posting in between games of LoL.

So, we're asked our opinion on what we think about LaL and lynching lurkers, I share mine and then get called out for doing nothing but posting fluff? Would you rather we discuss the weather or just /random a lynch for the first day? The reason I talked about common sense is the last game youngmini got a lot of support for being lynched (Palmar mayor killed him) for essentially a misstatement.

Yes, that kind of stuff does need to be pointed out. There's no reason to lynch someone for a misstatement. It is not unwritten or does not go without saying unless we actually agree to it.

As for you're statements about lynching all lurkers unless someone gives you a "DAMN GOOD REASON', well having a scumread is one. Am I good with lynching a lurker today, sure but let's not go talking about how you've got a good scum read on anyone that's posted once.

Fuck, I can say you've hardly posted anything but baseless accusations therefore you're scum just trying to get the town fighting among themselves. Not to mention you're trying to get a bandwagon started on someone for either not posting because they're asleep or because of some assumed fluff.

I'm fine with a lurker today, but I'm not deciding on which until closer to the deadline.
ey215
Profile Joined June 2010
United States546 Posts
December 04 2011 06:01 GMT
#137
On December 04 2011 14:42 Velinath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 14:20 Blazinghand wrote:I want to hear what you have to say. Don't flop around like you did in your first post. Be a man. Do the right thing.

Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 14:36 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Hey Blazinghand sorry if I came around to be a little shady.
I was just trying to feed into the conversation, about the voting. How do we want to plan the lynching with the time zone difference? I feel like this will be a major roadblock as it will be 12 AM for our friends in the UK.

As for my earlier comment I just wanted to say hi. Did not mean to get off on the wrong foot


Hi,

this also feels noncontributive. I feel like what Blazinghand was looking for was more of an opinion on one of the matters we've been discussing in the thread. If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to hear what you have to say about the Lynch All Lurkers policy discussed a couple of pages back. Adding questions but no answers isn't really posting content, at least not in my eyes.


I'd just like to point out that Blazinghand is calling out people for giving their opinions. I guess if it's not groundbreaking then it's fluff. While I agree with you that just posting a question isn't enough, giving an opinion that agrees with others shouldn't be considered not participating.

If we're going to win, the town needs to work together and discouraging newer townies to post by slapping them around when they do is probably not the right answer.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
December 04 2011 06:02 GMT
#138
First of, EY, thank you for responding to my post! I'm glad that you've taken some time out of your busy LoL-playing schedule to read the thread. It's important that we get everyone talking so we can develop information and get an idea of who's who.

I think you make a lot of good points. I take issue with your statements here, though:

On December 04 2011 14:55 ey215 wrote:
Fuck, I can say you've hardly posted anything but baseless accusations therefore you're scum just trying to get the town fighting among themselves. Not to mention you're trying to get a bandwagon started on someone for either not posting because they're asleep or because of some assumed fluff.

I'm fine with a lurker today, but I'm not deciding on which until closer to the deadline.


My accusations are not baseless. In fact, I never even said you were scum-- I just noted you're a lurker, and you need to post. In fact, given that I addressed 4 people, it's literally impossible that I think they're all scum. But making a single vague post is not acceptable.

If you'd accurately read my posts, you'd note that I unvote people who are asleep, and I'm not trying to bandwagon-- i'm trying to get people talking so they can show their true colors. Given how minor my analysis of you was, this is a very strong OMGUS (omg, no u suck) response.

I'm doing my best to help town. If you disagree with my methods, we can have a fruitful discussion. Am I the one throwing out baseless accusations, or is that you? But you must admit, I've gotten lurkers (including you) to stop lurking. Is that not helpful?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
December 04 2011 06:04 GMT
#139
Blazinghand, don't be so trigger-happy.
Day 1 always starts like this, we have nothing to talk about so we create discussions. People aren't posting because there's no meangingful discussion going on. I got some going about policy lynches, we've discussed that to death though. Nobody is "lurking" right now because there is no meaningful discussion going on.
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
December 04 2011 06:05 GMT
#140
On December 04 2011 15:01 ey215 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 14:42 Velinath wrote:
On December 04 2011 14:20 Blazinghand wrote:I want to hear what you have to say. Don't flop around like you did in your first post. Be a man. Do the right thing.

On December 04 2011 14:36 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Hey Blazinghand sorry if I came around to be a little shady.
I was just trying to feed into the conversation, about the voting. How do we want to plan the lynching with the time zone difference? I feel like this will be a major roadblock as it will be 12 AM for our friends in the UK.

As for my earlier comment I just wanted to say hi. Did not mean to get off on the wrong foot


Hi,

this also feels noncontributive. I feel like what Blazinghand was looking for was more of an opinion on one of the matters we've been discussing in the thread. If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to hear what you have to say about the Lynch All Lurkers policy discussed a couple of pages back. Adding questions but no answers isn't really posting content, at least not in my eyes.


I'd just like to point out that Blazinghand is calling out people for giving their opinions. I guess if it's not groundbreaking then it's fluff. While I agree with you that just posting a question isn't enough, giving an opinion that agrees with others shouldn't be considered not participating.

If we're going to win, the town needs to work together and discouraging newer townies to post by slapping them around when they do is probably not the right answer.

What's your opinion on BKEXE right now, considering his third post? While I agree that any content (even agreement) is good content at this point, do you consider his posts contributory?
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