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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 24 2011 16:39 GMT
#1987
If we assume the role works like Lanaia says (adds a negative vote, but can´t do anything once someone is hammered), the anti-voter role is usefull in the hands of a good Town player, weak in the hands of a weak Town player, and very powerfull in the hands of Scum. I don´t know if Lanaia is alive because she´s Scum or because they don´t fear her role, but I don´t think it´s surprising to see her alive still.

Lanaia, does your role do anything else except give you the option to negate another players vote on a target? Do you have any other powers?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 24 2011 17:58 GMT
#1996
On November 25 2011 01:51 hyshes wrote:
@forumite: care to explain your reasoning behind your statement about the votes on nisani? I can't really follow your logic in that.

Which part of it?

@Tyrran
The point of listing only confirmed Town is because it hasn´t got to do with Scum voting Nisani, it has to do with Scum leaving alive those Townies who want to vote Nisani. I don´t throw suspicion on the players voting Nisani, but I think they survived the night because Scum would rather kill people like risk and Harbringer who couldn´t care either way about Nisani. It´s like the opposite of when Scum kill those suspecting them, now they killed those not caring about Nisani, thereby making it more likely that Nisani was lynched.

I agree with those saying that we should lynch another player. My suggestion would be Zephirdd.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 24 2011 18:00 GMT
#1997
On November 25 2011 02:03 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 01:52 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Happy Thanksgiving! Probably won't post until tomorrow morning.

Unfortunatly this for me as well.

Some breif thoughts about the game state as it curently is though.

I think our main focus for the rest of the day needs to be on if we want mr zentor dead or not. ever since he took over for chaoser I know I have been having a hard time deciding where to go. But recently I have noticed that a number of questions have been asked of him (chaoser's town claim, his thoughts) And he has either ignored them, or givin very vauge answers. His votes have also been very brief, and have the air of someone that wants to lay low. In addition to the case on chaoser, this is enough for me to vote for him

##Vote: MrZentor

again, ill try to keep up with the thread the best that i can today.

I don´t like this, but only because MrZentor just went away, and will probably not be able to reply during the next 8 hours.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 24 2011 18:30 GMT
#2000
On November 25 2011 03:24 hyshes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 02:58 Forumite wrote:
On November 25 2011 01:51 hyshes wrote:
@forumite: care to explain your reasoning behind your statement about the votes on nisani? I can't really follow your logic in that.

Which part of it?

@Tyrran
The point of listing only confirmed Town is because it hasn´t got to do with Scum voting Nisani, it has to do with Scum leaving alive those Townies who want to vote Nisani. I don´t throw suspicion on the players voting Nisani, but I think they survived the night because Scum would rather kill people like risk and Harbringer who couldn´t care either way about Nisani. It´s like the opposite of when Scum kill those suspecting them, now they killed those not caring about Nisani, thereby making it more likely that Nisani was lynched.

I agree with those saying that we should lynch another player. My suggestion would be Zephirdd.


just the whole thing. What are you stating actually?

Scum wanted today to be spent lynching Nisani, so they killed a few players who didn´t care about lynching Nisani. After 2 failed attempts to kill Nisani to frustrate Town, and now with less people who think he is town/don´t care either way, the Nisani lynch was made much easier. Scum are manipulating the lynches, that shouldn´t be a surprise.

When looking at it like that, it´s possible that Drazerk was killed by a Vigilante, in order to confirm hyshes.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 24 2011 18:52 GMT
#2004
On November 25 2011 03:44 Tyrran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 03:30 Forumite wrote:
On November 25 2011 03:24 hyshes wrote:
On November 25 2011 02:58 Forumite wrote:
On November 25 2011 01:51 hyshes wrote:
@forumite: care to explain your reasoning behind your statement about the votes on nisani? I can't really follow your logic in that.

Which part of it?

@Tyrran
The point of listing only confirmed Town is because it hasn´t got to do with Scum voting Nisani, it has to do with Scum leaving alive those Townies who want to vote Nisani. I don´t throw suspicion on the players voting Nisani, but I think they survived the night because Scum would rather kill people like risk and Harbringer who couldn´t care either way about Nisani. It´s like the opposite of when Scum kill those suspecting them, now they killed those not caring about Nisani, thereby making it more likely that Nisani was lynched.

I agree with those saying that we should lynch another player. My suggestion would be Zephirdd.


just the whole thing. What are you stating actually?

Scum wanted today to be spent lynching Nisani, so they killed a few players who didn´t care about lynching Nisani. After 2 failed attempts to kill Nisani to frustrate Town, and now with less people who think he is town/don´t care either way, the Nisani lynch was made much easier. Scum are manipulating the lynches, that shouldn´t be a surprise.

When looking at it like that, it´s possible that Drazerk was killed by a Vigilante, in order to confirm hyshes.


You need to stop ignoring the fact that scum have targeted people voting for Nisani BOTH NIGTH ( Palmar N1, and Drazerk N2) Your logic doesnt make sense to me.

N1 nightactions doesn´t matter, they probably didn´t set this up two days in advance, it was probably decided the same night when Nisani was still alive and still getting votes. Drazerk is odd, but it IS possible that a Town vigi killed him to confirm hyshes.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 24 2011 22:45 GMT
#2032
I dislike insulting morons more than Town morons. Behave! I don´t care if Nisani is irritating, you just got him lynched. The least you can do is respond to his accusations in a civil manner.

##Vote: PaImar

What do we do now? Coag, MrZentor and Zephirrd are popular lynch targets. I can´t belive all of them are scum, and we´ve lynched too many times for mistakes and behavior. What do we do? We desperately need a scumflip in order to find the other scum.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 24 2011 23:02 GMT
#2037
On November 25 2011 07:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 07:45 Forumite wrote:
I dislike insulting morons more than Town morons. Behave! I don´t care if Nisani is irritating, you just got him lynched. The least you can do is respond to his accusations in a civil manner.

##Vote: PaImar

What do we do now? Coag, MrZentor and Zephirrd are popular lynch targets. I can´t belive all of them are scum, and we´ve lynched too many times for mistakes and behavior. What do we do? We desperately need a scumflip in order to find the other scum.

I second that notion, although I don't think it's a valid reason to vote, especially since Nisani might flip scum yet.
I still think MrZentor is the best lynch. Chaoser looked scummy, and instead of alleviating that, MrZentor chooses to lurk and talk more about his own role than the other players.

I´m making a point, not pushing Palmar´s lynch. It should get his attention at least.

MrZentor I agree about, especially after his recent post. He´s away but it´s a very convenient time to leave, but why he would return to post nothing baffles me, if he doesn´t have time to contribute, why post at all?

What do you think about the others? Zeph is mostly general suspicion, but I don´t have much more than that. Coag is more likely, he behaves as if he´s given up on the game. If so, then no matter his alignment he won´t be any good to Town, he won´t even draw a nightkill.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 24 2011 23:12 GMT
#2041
On November 25 2011 08:00 Tyrran wrote:
##Vote: Cyber_cheeze
##Vote: Forumite


Cyber_cheeze: You visiting me still makes more sense as scum than as blue.
Forumite : Your reasoning for saving Nisani makes no sense. I feel like you're a scum trying to look good. Also, see WBG post

Plus you both voted for palmar who is clearly the best town around here. How more scummy can you be ?

Why doesn´t it make sense? If Nisani was Scum, wouldn´t Scum have killed Palmar or WBG, or someone else actually out to lynch palmar, in order to get some pressure off of him? Shooting those NOT pushing Nisani means that Nisani dies, it´s simple and direct, and if Nisani is Town then it´s also Pro-Scum to do this, because 5/6 of the day was spent dealing with Nisani. We always lynch our first 12 hours before deadline, then rush secondary lynches, so one obvious target for the day means Town basically waste the day.

Why vote now, and not a few hours ago when I posted the analysis?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 24 2011 23:23 GMT
#2045
On November 25 2011 08:17 wherebugsgo wrote:
scum never kill me cause people always suspect me regardless of alignment lol.

I was actually surprised I got shot n1 in LoTR, and in SMG when I had a correct scumread it was the serial killer who shot me and not scum.

You can't WIFOM yourself into trying to figure out scum reads, only scum know what scum want. So, the fact that you're trying to reason this out based on what scum to do is very suspicious.

I´m always wary of WIFOM, but I think this is one of the few times where the situation was simple enough to read. We´ll know about Nisani in a few hours, but if Nisani is scum, then scum don´t mind him dying.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 24 2011 23:29 GMT
#2048
On November 25 2011 08:22 Tyrran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:12 Forumite wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:00 Tyrran wrote:
##Vote: Cyber_cheeze
##Vote: Forumite


Cyber_cheeze: You visiting me still makes more sense as scum than as blue.
Forumite : Your reasoning for saving Nisani makes no sense. I feel like you're a scum trying to look good. Also, see WBG post

Plus you both voted for palmar who is clearly the best town around here. How more scummy can you be ?

Why doesn´t it make sense? If Nisani was Scum, wouldn´t Scum have killed Palmar or WBG, or someone else actually out to lynch palmar, in order to get some pressure off of him? Shooting those NOT pushing Nisani means that Nisani dies, it´s simple and direct, and if Nisani is Town then it´s also Pro-Scum to do this, because 5/6 of the day was spent dealing with Nisani. We always lynch our first 12 hours before deadline, then rush secondary lynches, so one obvious target for the day means Town basically waste the day.

Why vote now, and not a few hours ago when I posted the analysis?


Because you just voted for palmar.

And as i said before, Scum DID SHOOT FOR THOSE pushing Nisani. EVERY NIGTH some one voting for Nisani got hit. How can you say they did not target those pushing for him. Shooting palmar N2 would be bad as he was obv going to be protected again, so they went for drazerk who voted twice for him.

Yeah, I figured it was me voting for Palmar that triggered it. You really don´t like anyone doubting him.

I´m leaning towards Drazerk being a vigihit, that would make sense with 3 nightkills rather than the 2 of N1. Even if Drazerk was a mafia hit, killing risk and Harbringer did nothing at all for Nisani, none of them voted, cared or even mentioned Nisani. There must have been better targets, targets that were on Nisani without being likely medic protects.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 24 2011 23:31 GMT
#2049
On November 25 2011 08:28 xsksc wrote:
In a few hours? Isn't there another day and a half until the deadline?

Really? Do we have another day?
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 24 2011 23:37 GMT
#2054
On November 25 2011 08:32 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:29 Forumite wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:22 Tyrran wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:12 Forumite wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:00 Tyrran wrote:
##Vote: Cyber_cheeze
##Vote: Forumite


Cyber_cheeze: You visiting me still makes more sense as scum than as blue.
Forumite : Your reasoning for saving Nisani makes no sense. I feel like you're a scum trying to look good. Also, see WBG post

Plus you both voted for palmar who is clearly the best town around here. How more scummy can you be ?

Why doesn´t it make sense? If Nisani was Scum, wouldn´t Scum have killed Palmar or WBG, or someone else actually out to lynch palmar, in order to get some pressure off of him? Shooting those NOT pushing Nisani means that Nisani dies, it´s simple and direct, and if Nisani is Town then it´s also Pro-Scum to do this, because 5/6 of the day was spent dealing with Nisani. We always lynch our first 12 hours before deadline, then rush secondary lynches, so one obvious target for the day means Town basically waste the day.

Why vote now, and not a few hours ago when I posted the analysis?


Because you just voted for palmar.

And as i said before, Scum DID SHOOT FOR THOSE pushing Nisani. EVERY NIGTH some one voting for Nisani got hit. How can you say they did not target those pushing for him. Shooting palmar N2 would be bad as he was obv going to be protected again, so they went for drazerk who voted twice for him.

Yeah, I figured it was me voting for Palmar that triggered it. You really don´t like anyone doubting him.

I´m leaning towards Drazerk being a vigihit, that would make sense with 3 nightkills rather than the 2 of N1. Even if Drazerk was a mafia hit, killing risk and Harbringer did nothing at all for Nisani, none of them voted, cared or even mentioned Nisani. There must have been better targets, targets that were on Nisani without being likely medic protects.


dude, where are you pulling this shit from?

How can you assume Drazerk was a vig hit? Why are you making unnecessary assumptions about the game and trying to use inconclusive evidence to conclude things that are very far from being concrete?

You're being incredibly dumb if you're a townie and you're shedding plenty of doubt if you're scum.

People bring up what I said about Nisani, just explaining how I thought.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 24 2011 23:42 GMT
#2056
On November 25 2011 08:37 Tyrran wrote:
Why would any vigi hit Drazerk when after he claimed Mason. That doesnt remotely makes sense. Mafia killing two almost confirmed town ( drazerk and risk.nuke) makes a lot of sense on the other hand. Why assume the opposite ?

From Towns perspective, neither was confirmed, but once drazerk died hyshes was confirmed. risk was generally considered Town, but that doesn´t make him confirmed. The thing that is odd is why scum didn´t shoot both masons if they were going for one, killing one mason confirms the other, but killing both makes sure there are no confirmed Townies. Scum hate confirmed Townies.
:3
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 25 2011 00:05 GMT
#2059
On November 25 2011 08:56 hyshes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 08:42 Forumite wrote:
On November 25 2011 08:37 Tyrran wrote:
Why would any vigi hit Drazerk when after he claimed Mason. That doesnt remotely makes sense. Mafia killing two almost confirmed town ( drazerk and risk.nuke) makes a lot of sense on the other hand. Why assume the opposite ?

From Towns perspective, neither was confirmed, but once drazerk died hyshes was confirmed. risk was generally considered Town, but that doesn´t make him confirmed. The thing that is odd is why scum didn´t shoot both masons if they were going for one, killing one mason confirms the other, but killing both makes sure there are no confirmed Townies. Scum hate confirmed Townies.


Expecting scum making the obvious kills is retarded. Maybe scum wants us to have this discussion to distract us from more scumhunting. You might be scum who wants to have this stupid discussion?

No, it´s not retarded to discuss nightkills. Scum look at the game and decide who to kill depending on how their death change Town, and the likelyhood that the kill will go through. Scum don´t use esoteric techniques and secrets to decide on their kills, they decide based on who they want dead, whose death will make it hard for Town to work, and whose death will confuse Town. Just because we don´t know the exact reasoning doesn´t mean we shouldn´t discuss it at all.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 25 2011 00:26 GMT
#2064
On November 25 2011 09:16 xsksc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 09:09 GreYMisT wrote:
the reason behind night kills should not be discussed, too easy for scum to use WIFOM to do that.
My god, what if palmar is still alive becasue he's scum! but what if mafia wanted us to think that?! but what if they knew we would think that they thought that.....

see?


BUT WHAT IF THEY KNOW THAT WE KNOW THAT THEY KNOW THAT WE KNOW?!

....You know?


I don´t know

Okay, I guess we´re fed up about WIFOM. What do we do now?
:3
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 25 2011 00:43 GMT
#2069
On November 25 2011 09:29 Nisani201 wrote:
Can we speed up the nightpost if we get a unanimous agreement to do so?

You are not getting an unanimous agreement, because I´m against it. We have another day to discuss, we shouldn´t throw that away. There´s time until you are finally lynched, why don´t you help us during the remaining time?

MrZentor's tricky. If it was Chaoser, I would give him the benefit of the doubt, that he would mess around a while but soon pick up his game and do something amazing a few days in. With MrZentor we instead got more of the same. Does this make him a scum who lurk to avoid attention, or a new Townie who is unsure about what to do? He´s still only has a single page in his filter, so little to go on.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 25 2011 01:06 GMT
#2073
On November 25 2011 09:54 Nisani201 wrote:
OK I'M SORRY!

It just didn't seem like we were talking about much. If you guys want to talk about stuff, go ahead.

I´m tired now, I´ll talk tomorrow.

@WBG
Yeah, I don´t trust my scumsenses right now. I saw yours and Tyrrans reaction to my fakevote on Palmar and immediately thought chainsaw defence. That´s should tell you a bit about how confident I am of finding scum right now.
:3
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 25 2011 09:55 GMT
#2082
On November 25 2011 18:19 Palmar wrote:
Lynch me please

##Vote Palmar

I have no interest in playing with people who don't want to try. I am sorry for signing up for this game.

Fine. If you want to do a weird stunt then I´ll oblige. If Palmar is calling people bad for doubting him, and now wants to fake giving up, then I´ll help, because acting like that warrants a lynch.

##Vote: Palmar
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 25 2011 10:26 GMT
#2084
On November 25 2011 19:04 Tyrran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 18:55 Forumite wrote:
On November 25 2011 18:19 Palmar wrote:
Lynch me please

##Vote Palmar

I have no interest in playing with people who don't want to try. I am sorry for signing up for this game.

Fine. If you want to do a weird stunt then I´ll oblige. If Palmar is calling people bad for doubting him, and now wants to fake giving up, then I´ll help, because acting like that warrants a lynch.

##Vote: Palmar


You already voted for him. Dont try to start a BandWagon.

It was a fake vote earlier to make Palmar shape up, this time it´s for real.

Don´t lie, I´m not starting a bandwagon, Palmar does it himself by apparently giving up. Either he is really giving up, in which case there´s no reason to keep him around, or it´s a weird stunt. If you can come up with a Town-motivated reason to give up then tell me, but otherwise this is probably a scum-motivated attempt to disrupt us now that more people have started doubting Palmar.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 25 2011 10:30 GMT
#2086
Palmars stunt is all about telling those voting for him that they play terribly. It´s just a disguised chainsaw defence.
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