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On November 20 2011 04:23 prplhz wrote: This is the kind of play I would expect from scum, and I think you would have used this argument sooner if I hadn´t called you out during the night. If Town mislynch on their own, then Scum makes the most of it, both by getting Towncred by staying away from the lynch, and also throw Town into confusion by pushing whoever was on the lynch. This is insanity, I wrote before he was hammered that I wanted less people to vote for him. How is this subtly wanting him dead? I never called for a lynch on sinani206 at all, a lot of people voted him for shitty reasons and you should look at them instead. Look at people who voted him even though they know his meta. Look at hyshes who just ignored everything and played the newbie card voting for a guy in spite of all warnings. On November 20 2011 04:04 DCLXVI wrote: Yeah, I know I overreacted, but I got angry. A player who is playing scummy, makes a scummy and underhanded attempt to throw around suspicion without taking any responsibility himself. It looked like textbook scumplay, and I felt a need to call him out on it. also forumite, why did you react so harshly to coag's post? While I agree that he should have done what he asked in the post, it just seems to me you over reacted. | ||
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On November 20 2011 14:52 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: @Forumite Given what the daypost contained, I can't help but ask...why did you want me to post my read on him after the daypost rather than before? Scum don´t shoot those they think are going to be lynched anyway. If you have a solid case on LSB and present it during the night, this will probably causes scum to avoid LSB, expecting Day 2 to be spent killing LSB. If scum don´t know who Town want to lynch the next day, then they might kill off a few of the suspects for the next days lynch. Scum always kill townies, but if they are not sure about Towns opinions, then they might kill off suspicious Townies instead of confirmed Townies. This is why I often urge analysis to be posted the next day or 2 minutes before the daypost, to give scum as little information to base their nightkill on as possible. | ||
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On November 20 2011 14:41 prplhz wrote: You are distorting what really happened, and why you are being voted on. It´s not only that you made your defence of sinani hard to understand AND to take seriously, it´s also that for some reason you think it was all an adequate defence, and have accused the rest of Town for not taking it seriously. I´ve suspected that scum wouldn´t go on both bandwagons. The one on kenpachi filled up faster, which suggest that the one on sinani had fewer scum on it. If prplhz was Town then he would have stopped posting in all caps for a moment, and posted his REAL defence of sinani 15 minutes earlier and saved him. Scum prplhz instead avoided jumping on the wagon, divorced himself of guilt by making a the weakest of token defences in sinani´s favor, all so he could accuse the Townies who mislynched sinani of being scum. guys I don't think prplhz is scum, here is why... The case against me today is the following: before sinani206 was lynched I wrote in caps that I thought that people should stop voting for him. Since it was in caps, I clearly did not mean what I was saying. This means that I am scum. I disagree with this. prplhz, I really don´t think you are a bad player. Despite what happened in that game, your bait posts in TMMM was an effective way to start the day, it generated some discussion and got people active even if it didn´t help find scum directly. However that´s not the way to behave right before a lynch you are against. When you defend a Townie who is about to be lynched, you drop all attempts to bait scum, and post reasoned posts in defence of the candidate. You don´t care if scum and Town both read what you have to say, because you are only aiming to convince Town. You definetly don´t post in all caps, because noone will take posts like that seriously, you know this. Even you must know that your attempt to stop the lynch didn´t have any hope of changing the outcome, so why was that all you did to defend sinani? I´m always coming back to the question of motivation, and the only two possible reasons to act like you did around the lynch is that you are scum or an idiot, but as I don´t think you are this bad as a player, the only possible reason must be that you are scum. | ||
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On November 20 2011 19:52 wherebugsgo wrote: This should only be followed if you believe you're safe. If you think you're a scum target and you might die, you should always publish your reads before the night is over. Correct, but posting 2 minutes before night is over is better than posting at the beginning of the night, so that if scum want to change their nightkill based on last minute information, then at least their decision will be rushed. With 72 hours day-phase, there are few things that can´t wait until the day. | ||
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On November 20 2011 23:32 Forumite wrote: Has RoL posted anything yet? Answering my own question. Yes, RoL is here, and has posted 4 posts. He posted that he didn´t believe that Palmar was hit, but otherwise not much interesting from him so far. | ||
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On November 21 2011 02:16 DCLXVI wrote: I don't want to be modkilled. I have the perfect solution to your problem, simply answer the following few questions, which will take care of your modkill anxiety, and hopefully most of your mobkillproblems too. What do you think about prplhz? What is the most important reason that you think that? (that´s two questions) Hyshes and Drazerk, both Town or both Scum? Point out two players, NOT among the usual suspects, that you are suspicious of. Point out a third player, this time one who you think needs to contribute more, and if not is a candidate for a lurker lynch. | ||
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On November 21 2011 06:05 Palmar wrote: You´ve said for two days that you don´t have time to reread prplhz. Make up your mind on him and state your opinion in the thread, because I´m getting tired of waiting for you. I had an initial town read on prplhz, I'm sorry but I don't have time to expand upon that, so I'm just gonna go ahead and not support a lynch on him. I'm really sorry for my performance today, real life is just taking time away from me. here are my scumreads: ##Vote: DCLXVI ##Vote: chaoser ##Vote: Lemonwalrus ##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD | ||
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On November 21 2011 08:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: You guys needs to calm down with the mass lynching though, how much time is left int he day cycle? I think it´s 26 hours left, but we don´t have to wait with lynching until the last hour. Personally I´d rather lynch too early than too late. | ||
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If you are busy now then at least make prplhz your first priority once you have time for Mafia again. | ||
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I would ask anyone that hasn´t taken a stand to make up your minds, and either vote prplhz, or tell us why he shouldn´t be lynched. Right now the lynch on prplhz is the most important issue for us to decide on. | ||
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On November 21 2011 08:51 Drazerk wrote: It´s not like in most games, where we just need the most votes on someone to lynch, and keep them there. It takes an effort to lynch, and until there´s enough votes, the target is safe, and waiting will make it harder to get those votes, as people go offline around the lynch. The only way to guarantee that everyone has a saying in this is to deal with it early. There is no difference between lynching early or later other than the fact the lynch target has more options to cause havoc after the lynch ( See kenpachi who I thought was lying about his role ) On November 21 2011 08:50 Palmar wrote: Just don´t take too long, it´s just a third of the day-phase left. yes, i will do. Unlike some other people in this game, when I do read up on people, I spend time on it to get it right. looking at the votes it's going to be really important for me to get prplhz right. So I'll do it on my own time. | ||
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On November 20 2011 04:04 DCLXVI wrote: @forumite about prplhz After reading through his filter I noticed a few things. He starts off cool headed and logical, arguing in a way I appreciate. He spends his time arguing about the LAL and lurkers we got bogged down in the first 36 hours. The interesting bit about that is that he says that he wants to lynch a lurker or two per day to prevent lurkers, but to also not slaughter bored townies too quickly. He then jumps on the Kenpachi bandwagon, apparently that was a good lurker to lynch... He also makes a small case on Hiroruby which was forgotten about as louder players took over the thread. While it was on a mildly telling post or two and imo not enough to lynch on, it should be reconsidered today. While RoL is a different player, we should not forget what Hiroruby said. Unfortunately, prplhz does not reinforce his arguments and so later in the day he instead opts to abandon logic in favor of volume in hopes of being heard over the chaoser/wbg/palmar shouting match. Based on his claims today he did this because he did not have time to make long convincing posts, and was too late to provide a reason to not lynch sinani. That last part is scummy, however the rest of it is not enough to warrant a lynch just yet. I do not agree with him that votes without a stated reason should be considered thought out, and that caps lock equals a convincing statement, but I suppose we all have different views on how much time should be committed to the game. Either I can believe that he did not have time for long posts or he wanted sinani dead, I have not made up my mind. If you are still undecided about prplhz then I hope you will make up your mind soon. For or against the lynch doesn´t matter, but take a stand. | ||
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On November 21 2011 16:36 xsksc wrote: Just woke up and skimmed the thread, got to run for work now. Just realised I hadn't voted yet, I'll post explanations for these later, hopefully during lunch. ##Vote: Prphlz ##Vote: Nisani201 Why would you vote without saying why? At least name the things that made you decide, if this is because of recent posts, long suspicion or some other reason. | ||
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On November 21 2011 18:43 prplhz wrote: If for or against doesn't matter then it seems like you're trying to lynch me for information. I'd very much prefer if you didn't do that. Don´t kid yourself, I want to lynch you after what you did around the sinani lynch. What I want DCLXVI to do is take a stand, to not stand by while the lynch goes down. I don´t want a repeat of yesterday, with people saying afterwards that they were against the lynch, but most important I don´t want you to avoid the lynch because players didn´t take time to consider the case on you. | ||
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On November 21 2011 19:07 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I was on the fence about this one. I still don't feel sure about voting him, and I feel like there are better options for today. ##Unvote: Prplhz I feel like Nisani is much in the same boat as him, with the difference that Prplhz seems to be able to express some form of transparency for things he does. Nisani has shown he is capable of making good posts + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366¤tpage=75#1495 And yet most of his posts are one liners, and votes with minimal explaination, he seems to be deliberately holding information back from the town ##Vote: Nisani Cyber_Cheese, saying that there are better options for a lynch is not a reason to unvote prplhz. What is the real reason prplhz doesn´t deserve your vote? Is it something he said? Why doesn´t the original case around the sinani lynch have any weight now? I hope it´s a good reason, because with 10 votes on prplhz, now 9, you are taking an active stand to defend him from the lynch, and I want to know why you would do that. | ||
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On November 21 2011 19:26 Cyber_Cheese wrote: He's hard to read, he makes some terrible moves as both town and scum. I want to lynch Nisani or Prplhz today, but not both, and I feel like Nisani is the scummier candidate. You unvote despite there being enough reason to lynch of prplhz, because you´d rather lynch Nisani instead? | ||
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On November 21 2011 19:44 Zephirdd wrote: Alright, hot topics. prplhz seems to be the hot topic, however while reading his filter I've been getting mixed feelings from him. His initial posts are terrible, however he provides a good point: "if you need a reason, just ask". I don't think people asked him enough earlier on, and yet they all went over him. People gave shit on him because of a Caps post, but he said it as well: town reads, scum just hunts for whatever thing could be used to create a case against him. Which leads me to ... Forumite, the first to vote on prplhz this day. During day 1, he did not vote Kenpachi despite clearly stating that his play was proscum/antitown. He then proceeded to vote for sinani and basically beg for votes. Later at night, he goes to direct doctors at risk.nuke, quoting a generic "Guys player better!" post by him. Forumite has been active on directing the players, directly asking about specific players. He also seems to be blind to prplhz's reasoning and is just following the case with the Caps Lock thing, just like scum would do it(attacking out of the slightest argument) Forumite also seems to put 110% of his efforts to lynch prplhz and prplhz only, as if he was trying to remove attention from other scummy looking players. This is my read on him. ##Vote: Forumite TL;DR: prplhz feels town for me, Forumite feels scum. That´s not the case on prplhz. The case on prplhz is that he says he wanted to defend sinani, but his defence was so bad that he should have known it wouldn´t work. That fit together with a scum agenda of allowing Town to kill Town while getting Towncred by defending Town, except in this case his defence of sinani was so laughable, not that that didn´t stop prplhz from trying to throw suspicion on the players on the lynch. Yes, I´m focusing 100% on prplhz, because right now it appears impossible to get enough votes on prplhz. If I don´t keep on the case on prplhz then he will most likely be forgotten and get away. | ||
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