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'Cause everytime we touch, I get this feeling.
And everytime we kiss I swear I could fly.
Can't you feel my heart beat fast, I want this to last.
Need you by my side.
'Cause everytime we touch, I feel the static.
And everytime we kiss, I reach for the sky.
Can't you hear my heart beat so...
I can't let you go.
Want you in my life.
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I thought you loved me 
Hey Jimbo, can you repeat after me
"I am not the inventor".
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On October 18 2011 14:22 Foolishness wrote:To anything that Palmar has ever said: ![[image loading]](http://www.gapingvoid.com/11444661477.jpg)
Original Message From Foolishness: I believe he is town, he has proven to me that he is competent and is working for the town. Other candidates haven't done both: Radfield and Jimbo are working for the town but they're not competent, Mig and Wiggles are competent but they aren't working for the town. If you haven't already talk to him in PMs, you'll see he has no ill intentions. Show nested quote +Original Message From Arctocod: you voted for greymist (who I think is town), but you didn't give explicit reason for it or argue why your judgment should be followed. I would expect you to. Original Message From Foolishness: Fair enough, but what do you mean I'm fence-sitting? Or what am I fence-sitting about? Original Message From Arctocod: I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that the combined circular townreads of this group is better than anything else we have at the moment. Especially when heavyweights like yourself decide to fence-sit. Original Message From Foolishness: Yes I know, I believe you're the 4th person to tell me that. Strange how whenever I say that "someone in that group is probably mafia" everyone rushes to their defense. But maybe I'm just paranoid. Original Message From Arctocod: So let me explain something to you. The syllogism/mig/sandroba trio is basically a set of people who talk extremely much to each other and they are all very good at mafia. Of course it is quite possible there is a mafia in there. However, the other two WILL find out in the end. And if not them, I will. I want this to be absolutely clear, if there is one group of people you should trust to not half-ass this game, it should be those people. I have spoken privately with Radfield. I have good reasons to believe he is town. Original Message From Foolishness: hmmm I don't know how much you have talked with Radfield, but do you have any sense that he's doing any scum hunting? Because I certainly don't (and I know there are some others that get the same feeling). The reason I don't want him in office is because he's too trusting and is playing this game all wrong. For instance, consider the Radfield/sandroba/syllogism/Mig team that's currently been formulated. These 4 people will swear to anyone that the other 3 are town (and they've already done so in the thread as we know). Can you look me straight in the eye and say that it's likely that all 4 of them are town? Those 4 people make up ~15% of the players in this game, a game where ~43% of the players are mafia. I'd actually be disappointed if none of the 4 families had an infiltrator in there. And if those 4 truly are all town, then I'm in deep shit because that means the people I've been trusting so far are very likely to be mafia. That's why I don't want Radfield or Mig elected. Whoever's scum in that group will cruise to victory. Original Message From Arctocod: That is a very interesting stance to take Foolishness. Thing is, I agree with you. I think it's extremely important to put the right person in office. But I do not understand what you have against putting Radfield in office. We both know he's a better player than Greymist, and we both agree he is likely not scum. I fully understand that you think you have a lot to do before you die, but that just makes the call to use what I'd consider bad logic to support a weaker candidate into office, even weirder. I am not quite sure how to react to this. If you don't mind, will you share with me your ideas and thoughts as night falls, so I can see that you are actually doing work? Original Message From Foolishness: The elected positions are not about finding the person most likely to be not scum, and they are not about finding the person who will scum hunt the best. You're playing this game like it's any other game of mafia. It isn't. To be quite frank, I actually don't give a hoot about who gets elected as long as Radfield isn't in office (and I don't even think he's scum btw). I'm concerned about making sure the right person gets lynched at the moment. Also I'm pretty much dead night 1 since I'm low on the draft list and thus did not get any sort of defensive role to help me survive. I have a lot to do before I die and the elections are just a sneeze to me on my list of priorities. Original Message From Arctocod:
I am disappointed in your vote.
Will you explain your reasoning to me?
And then continued
Original Message From Foolishness: I don't believe I've argued with Mig, so if you can specify what exactly you're referring to I'd be happy to explain. I realize I'm in a weird position, but I took this risk at the start of the game. All will be explained soon I promise. I'm in the middle of something really good right now, something only I have the power to do (and I'm not talking about role power, I'm vanilla) Show nested quote +Original Message From Arctocod: So you're in a weird position. You tried to accuse Errandor who's almost definitely town, and you've argued extensively with Mig who is very likely to be town too. Is there any reason to believe you're not scum now? Original Message From Foolishness: lol k Original Message From Arctocod: Everyone knows my role, and I don't give a shit anymore. Original Message From Foolishness: Is it true that Mig knows your role? Original Message From Arctocod: greymist is highly likely town, I have talked extensively with him in pms. Original Message From Foolishness: I believe he is town, he has proven to me that he is competent and is working for the town. Other candidates haven't done both: Radfield and Jimbo are working for the town but they're not competent, Mig and Wiggles are competent but they aren't working for the town. If you haven't already talk to him in PMs, you'll see he has no ill intentions. Original Message From Arctocod: you voted for greymist (who I think is town), but you didn't give explicit reason for it or argue why your judgment should be followed. I would expect you to. Original Message From Foolishness: Fair enough, but what do you mean I'm fence-sitting? Or what am I fence-sitting about? Original Message From Arctocod:
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that the combined circular townreads of this group is better than anything else we have at the moment. Especially when heavyweights like yourself decide to fence-sit.
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sorry, will drop the shenanigans.
I pmd protact about a question about the game about 30 hours ago, and I still need to get an answer on that. If any of the hosts see this I really need to get that answered.
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Just confirming what Radfield has said. The whole idea of having me make a case, and having him argue against it was an attempt at manufacturing discussion.
##Vote Meapak_Ziphh
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Oh, sorry once again for double posting, but I think this is important for everyone to know.
Part 1
Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: LOOOOL Before you do lemme ask you one thing, do you trust rad? Show nested quote +Original Message From Arctocod: It's okay, I'm outing you as rockstar in the thread if you're gonna play hardball, and I'm gonna out REDACTED and REDACTED too. Now, are you ready to talk? Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: lol you want to kill me, cute. I'm not talking to you until you tell me how you know. Original Message From Arctocod: Do tell, why is there not an invention today? I am very interested in your answer. And I would also like to know who the inventor is, because I have a reason to believe that person is scum. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Who told you? Accept that I had a good reason for not picking inventor and more importantly, I know who the real inventor is and why there isn't an invention today. Original Message From Arctocod: ok let's cut the crap, you're not an inventor, you picked the rockstar. Why did you do this, and why should we not hang you? Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Do you want a list checking electric guitar? Original Message From Arctocod:
can you invent an electric guitar for me? I'm all out of electric guitars.
Part 2
Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: You honestly expect me to believe you when you waltz in and say "inventor is scum.". Proof pretty please? I don't trust him 100% atm but like I said, I'll give him one more day. In the meantime I must complement you on an incredible display of successful role fishing. Show nested quote +Original Message From Arctocod: I have found scum, it's the inventor. If you withhold that information you're his scumbuddy. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Absolutely not. You'll give me the information so we can find scum. Original Message From Arctocod: I will give that information for the identity of the inventor. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Who told you I was rock star? Original Message From Arctocod: It's probably jimbosilvers anyway, would've just been nice to have confirmation, because technically it could be wherebugsgo, hiro or wiggles. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: Nope. I accept his reason why there was no invention and he gets one more day. You want to out me in the thread, well you're more than welcome too. The inventor's name goes with me to the grave. You wanna tell me how you know I'm rock star? That'll get us a lot closer to finding scum. Original Message From Arctocod: I trust no one. Now tell me the identity of that inventor, and you better not fucking lie because I'm going to push a lynch on that person today. Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: LOOOOL Before you do lemme ask you one thing, do you trust rad? Original Message From Arctocod:
It's okay, I'm outing you as rockstar in the thread if you're gonna play hardball, and I'm gonna out REDACTED and REDACTED too.
Now, are you ready to talk?
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I tried to shoot heist tonight. He has so far not claimed the shot.
I know the shot fired as I have only 1 bullet now left, but I do not know if the shot was correctly fired, or if my proof that heist lied about his implications was not considered strong enough.
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Incog cleared it up, my shot misfired.
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a) I should be dead, I asked Jackal to suicide into me but he doesn't have the balls.
b) My role is useless, because even directly saying something that is false doesn't count as a proof if there can be any ambiguity applied, even the mindset of the player.
c) I did shoot, and it misfired, I probably killed one of the townies.
d) I lied about my sources, big deal. I didn't want to tell someone I KNOW is scum (meapak) anything that he didn't have to know. Including with whom I'm talking.
e) Jimbo and Meapak are a scumteam. Meapak admits in pms to have dropped the role to someone he trusts, yet refuses to say who it is. When meapak flips Jimbo needs to die too.
f) Wanna talk about lying? I claimed day vig and threatened to kill at least 2 people if they didn't roelclaim. I claimed mafia to wiggles, but he refused to "co-operate" with me because I couldn't give an excerpt from my QT or IRC conversations with scumbuddies, I couldn't be arsed manufacturing that.
g) And yeah, I don't actually care. With the information town has if we can't win this then we're dumbasses.
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On October 19 2011 04:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Oh and if Jimbo and I were scum do you honestly think I'd have outed him like that?
You should die for blatant mafia behavior. Now.
You should die for being mafia, that's even more scummy than behaving like mafia.
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I'd advice you to simply trust this hiro
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On October 19 2011 06:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 06:35 Arctocod wrote:
I'd advice you to simply trust this hiro Holy shit please read this everyone, he just admitted there's no dt.
Rofl, in what universe did I admit there is no dt?
Here's a picture of your performance at the moment:
![[image loading]](http://mail.is/palmar/straws.png)
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On October 19 2011 07:02 hiro protagonist wrote:
answer me this:
how the fuck does he have a gun if graymist just said he is a bodyguard?
what does that have to do with it?
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if you wanna hop on IRC hiro, I can answer your questions
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Rofl Jackal you asshole ♥
GG everyone, sorry I can be a bit of a dick in pms.
Good luck town!
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