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Regarding Navillus:
You quoted my post and then wrote this:
+ Show Spoiler +This is a pretty good outline of how we want to proceed, point 1 is definitely the right thing to do, for example of a good talking point: lynch kurumi for spamming up the thread. Point 2 is also right and just to say the implication of that is do a lot of analysis, look at how people act look at how they change over the thread, where they vote, what they claim and what they do, don't hope for a bunch of really obvious scumslips where people all but admit they are scum, also don't put too much into what looks like a "slip" strong analysis over time is much better. And for point 3 really I'll just add make this a good town environment, we want to be civil we also don't want someone to be able to get shouted down when 2 or 3 people disagree with him, keep it orderly and please don't make personal attacks, that is all.
which pretty much could have been summed up in five words: "I agree with these points"
It was a whole lot of nothing. You then push the policy that Town KP should be used, when we have no good options, on lurkers. So three points:
1) Be more concise
2) If you were a vigi and had to shoot someone right now, who would it be and why?
3) What do you think about Palmer?
Finally, can people stop responding like this is fucking instant messenger? We just got a whole page of one liners between 5 people about shitall.
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On August 20 2011 01:56 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 01:47 Curu wrote:
youngminii
Palmar why is DB scum over Sevyrn? He made a stupid policy post in Werewolves too and he was a Medic. read both posts. notice the different attitude. He's calling shit stupid and has balls in werewolf and ptp2. He's being super-duper cautious this time around. READ THEM AGAIN NEMESIS, READ THEM
I can see your point, but I don't think DropBear and Sevyrn can both be scum.
Sevyrn's post was just such an awful "I don't want to be seen having an opinion, so I will make up a bad reason to follow Palmar and then excuse myself from doing anything else the rest of the day" vote that I'm far more convinced on him than Drop. But let's see how Droppy defends himself.
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On August 20 2011 01:59 chaoser wrote:
3) What do you think about Palmer?
I think he's awesome.
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Dear god, Palmar, just because your bad tactic worked once doesn't mean it's gonna work again - especially in a game this large that's not so town favored.
Please consilidate your reasoning as to why DB is scum.
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OK wtf Palmar? I actually don't understand. What is your problem with me exactly? Nearly all of your posts are one liners that are some variation of "Kill DropBear".
On August 19 2011 22:35 Palmar wrote:you guys are fucking lazy and boring. Why not just bandwagon everything I say? that's a good plan. Go read DB's first post in PTP2 where he was town. He's like 1000 trillion times more careful and vague in these opening posts than last time. Here's his PTP2 opening post for comparison: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10466682He's careful to just give advice that cannot possibly rub anyone the wrong way. SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM
The "not safe" post you link included a joke about Harry Potter, a complete throwaway vote on kitaman27 and a joke about sandroba's plans. My first post in this thread advocated forcing people to change their vote, how is that so incredibly safe compared PTP2?
I don't actually understand your case, I will talk to you more if you actually come up with something.
On August 19 2011 18:14 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 18:00 Palmar wrote:
how about putting your vote on dropbear?
##Vote DropBear i just filtered him, and he just posted one policypost and no thoughts about other people. Why not pressuring him a bit. Can't be bad. ##Vote DropBearand before anyone jumps on me like: "wtf he bandwagoned blablabla" - like Curu did in AA; I am NOT one of the players, that bandwagons on anyone random with a bad explanation only to show up the next day like "hey guise sorry what happened, oh you lynched scum - yea well I had stuff to do." I will be there at the end of the day and put my vote on scum.
My posts are 2 pages after the game started. 2 pages. Half the players hadn't even posted yet and most of the ones who did posted nothing other than "/confirm".
How do you expect me to have reads on people before they have even posted, through divination? Time travel?
What's with the random defence of your actions at the end? It's like you know it's a stupid idea, but you're doing it anyway.
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On August 19 2011 23:39 Sevryn wrote:
Right now DB is looking the scummiest imo and after what palmar did in Swedish house mafia I am inclined to trust him. That said if there is a good case against anyone else i would be willing to give DropBear another lookskie
## vote DropBear
Sorry how am I scummy exactly? You trust Palmar.... in this game.... because of a completely different game.....
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On August 20 2011 02:46 DropBear wrote:OK wtf Palmar? I actually don't understand. What is your problem with me exactly? Nearly all of your posts are one liners that are some variation of "Kill DropBear". Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 22:35 Palmar wrote:you guys are fucking lazy and boring. Why not just bandwagon everything I say? that's a good plan. Go read DB's first post in PTP2 where he was town. He's like 1000 trillion times more careful and vague in these opening posts than last time. Here's his PTP2 opening post for comparison: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10466682He's careful to just give advice that cannot possibly rub anyone the wrong way. SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM The "not safe" post you link included a joke about Harry Potter, a complete throwaway vote on kitaman27 and a joke about sandroba's plans. My first post in this thread advocated forcing people to change their vote, how is that so incredibly safe compared PTP2? I don't actually understand your case, I will talk to you more if you actually come up with something.
Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 18:14 supersoft wrote:On August 19 2011 18:00 Palmar wrote:
how about putting your vote on dropbear?
##Vote DropBear i just filtered him, and he just posted one policypost and no thoughts about other people. Why not pressuring him a bit. Can't be bad. ##Vote DropBearand before anyone jumps on me like: "wtf he bandwagoned blablabla" - like Curu did in AA; I am NOT one of the players, that bandwagons on anyone random with a bad explanation only to show up the next day like "hey guise sorry what happened, oh you lynched scum - yea well I had stuff to do." I will be there at the end of the day and put my vote on scum. My posts are 2 pages after the game started. 2 pages. Half the players hadn't even posted yet and most of the ones who did posted nothing other than "/confirm". How do you expect me to have reads on people before they have even posted, through divination? Time travel? What's with the random defence of your actions at the end? It's like you know it's a stupid idea, but you're doing it anyway.
no random defense because i know it's a stupid idea. random defense because i know it's a good idea, but people who are stupid disagree.
tell me what you think about nards post please
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Come again? I don't get it.
nard's post was a joke about how Palmar raped them in Newbie Mini Mafia. He says that in the event I die and flip town, he would go after Palmar. It's his first post and he's saying hello to the few people he knows.
How is it relevant or significant in any way? It isn't scummy, it isn't townie, it isn't anything. Why are we discussing it exactly?
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On August 20 2011 02:46 DropBear wrote:OK wtf Palmar? I actually don't understand. What is your problem with me exactly? Nearly all of your posts are one liners that are some variation of "Kill DropBear". Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 22:35 Palmar wrote:you guys are fucking lazy and boring. Why not just bandwagon everything I say? that's a good plan. Go read DB's first post in PTP2 where he was town. He's like 1000 trillion times more careful and vague in these opening posts than last time. Here's his PTP2 opening post for comparison: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10466682He's careful to just give advice that cannot possibly rub anyone the wrong way. SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM The "not safe" post you link included a joke about Harry Potter, a complete throwaway vote on kitaman27 and a joke about sandroba's plans. My first post in this thread advocated forcing people to change their vote, how is that so incredibly safe compared PTP2? I don't actually understand your case, I will talk to you more if you actually come up with something.
Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 18:14 supersoft wrote:On August 19 2011 18:00 Palmar wrote:
how about putting your vote on dropbear?
##Vote DropBear i just filtered him, and he just posted one policypost and no thoughts about other people. Why not pressuring him a bit. Can't be bad. ##Vote DropBearand before anyone jumps on me like: "wtf he bandwagoned blablabla" - like Curu did in AA; I am NOT one of the players, that bandwagons on anyone random with a bad explanation only to show up the next day like "hey guise sorry what happened, oh you lynched scum - yea well I had stuff to do." I will be there at the end of the day and put my vote on scum. My posts are 2 pages after the game started. 2 pages. Half the players hadn't even posted yet and most of the ones who did posted nothing other than "/confirm". How do you expect me to have reads on people before they have even posted, through divination? Time travel? What's with the random defence of your actions at the end? It's like you know it's a stupid idea, but you're doing it anyway.
Alright since I don't see anything scummy about dropbear at this point I'm going to take my pressure vote off of him. In swedish palmer asked me to put a pressure vote on someone who turned out to be scum. Because pressure votes don't work near as well if you say its a pressure vote I made up a bullshit reason to vote in that gmae like I did this game.
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DropBear! you're here!
Hi, you're scum.
Your first post includes a question to the mods, some random advice that everyone already knows. I think you're just making blanket statements to hide the fact that you rolled red.
And of course Nard's post is hella scummy if you flip town, it means he's trying to set me up as a follow up lynch, which is potentially really good for mafia.
But I'm not sure we have to worry about that, you're the most scummy one in the thread at the moment, and I propose we investigate you with a piece of rope around your neck.
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On August 20 2011 03:06 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 02:46 DropBear wrote:OK wtf Palmar? I actually don't understand. What is your problem with me exactly? Nearly all of your posts are one liners that are some variation of "Kill DropBear". On August 19 2011 22:35 Palmar wrote:you guys are fucking lazy and boring. Why not just bandwagon everything I say? that's a good plan. Go read DB's first post in PTP2 where he was town. He's like 1000 trillion times more careful and vague in these opening posts than last time. Here's his PTP2 opening post for comparison: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10466682He's careful to just give advice that cannot possibly rub anyone the wrong way. SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM The "not safe" post you link included a joke about Harry Potter, a complete throwaway vote on kitaman27 and a joke about sandroba's plans. My first post in this thread advocated forcing people to change their vote, how is that so incredibly safe compared PTP2? I don't actually understand your case, I will talk to you more if you actually come up with something.
On August 19 2011 18:14 supersoft wrote:On August 19 2011 18:00 Palmar wrote:
how about putting your vote on dropbear?
##Vote DropBear i just filtered him, and he just posted one policypost and no thoughts about other people. Why not pressuring him a bit. Can't be bad. ##Vote DropBearand before anyone jumps on me like: "wtf he bandwagoned blablabla" - like Curu did in AA; I am NOT one of the players, that bandwagons on anyone random with a bad explanation only to show up the next day like "hey guise sorry what happened, oh you lynched scum - yea well I had stuff to do." I will be there at the end of the day and put my vote on scum. My posts are 2 pages after the game started. 2 pages. Half the players hadn't even posted yet and most of the ones who did posted nothing other than "/confirm". How do you expect me to have reads on people before they have even posted, through divination? Time travel? What's with the random defence of your actions at the end? It's like you know it's a stupid idea, but you're doing it anyway. Alright since I don't see anything scummy about dropbear at this point I'm going to take my pressure vote off of him. In swedish palmer asked me to put a pressure vote on someone who turned out to be scum. Because pressure votes don't work near as well if you say its a pressure vote I made up a bullshit reason to vote in that gmae like I did this game.
I might have missed something but what exactly makes you believe everything Palmar says in this new game?
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Ok so the thread so far consists of people making riddles, silly accusations and parrotting "lurkers are bad". This shit needs to stop. Noone has said ANYTHING of value yet.
I made a post about this but the issue was ignored so here goes.
THE GRAND DESIGN![[image loading]](http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTuvOGqx6s5QidnWWgiBPByzRw2glik3ntn6mrR7DXMLE4doR7EIw) - This game has the possibility of no-lynches - No-lynches are generally anti-town - We need a system to ensure they do not happen - I propose that we elect an unofficial mayor to decide how to break ties close to deadline, should a no-lynch look likely. Such a person will be responsible for choosing who changes their votes and how it is done, or alternatively they will take on the responsibility of being the person who changes their vote to ensure a lynch takes place. - Such a person needs to be willing to cop criticism and cannot be a total fuckwit. Hopefully non-mafia as well  They will not be required to do anything if a lynch looks like going ahead. - I nominate myself for the position. I am decisive, active, capable of good reasoning and most importantly I am town.
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Sorry DB but i can't support a system wherein people are told who to vote for instead of deciding themselves.
lol Sevryn. sheeping on palmar's bullshit wagon because he was town in SH Mafia? Being right in the past does not mean he's right now. Evaluate each case on its merits, not based on how good at mafia you think the accuser is.
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On August 20 2011 03:10 Palmar wrote:
DropBear! you're here!
Hi, you're scum.
Your first post includes a question to the mods, some random advice that everyone already knows. I think you're just making blanket statements to hide the fact that you rolled red.
And of course Nard's post is hella scummy if you flip town, it means he's trying to set me up as a follow up lynch, which is potentially really good for mafia.
But I'm not sure we have to worry about that, you're the most scummy one in the thread at the moment, and I propose we investigate you with a piece of rope around your neck.
??? Cmon man, you're a better player than this. It's the first post of the game, what do you want from me a 100 page dossier on each member of the Mafia team? I was attempting to generate discussion by bringing up how we force lynches to occur.
Your first post didn't contribute anything. Should I be tunneling you for it? Of course not.
You really don't seem to like my post. Do you prefer this?
On August 19 2011 05:23 Lucidity wrote:
Hi, my name is Lucidity and I'm a Liquidite.
/discuss
Or this?
On August 19 2011 05:07 Curu wrote:
So, Foolishness confirmed as Town Vet? Discuss.
Or this?
On August 19 2011 06:01 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 05:51 Mig wrote:
Kurumi are you going to be useful or troll kurumi this game? Let's play a game. You win, I don't, You lose, I do. You are in a room. It has thick, cold and bare walls. One of them is made of unbreakable glass. There is a sandvich and bonk! energy drink behind it. You are very thirsty and very hungry. You have a crowbar, flamethrower and 30 pieces of shuriken. What do You do to get the food?
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On August 20 2011 03:25 Varpulis wrote:
Sorry DB but i can't support a system wherein people are told who to vote for instead of deciding themselves.
lol Sevryn. sheeping on palmar's bullshit wagon because he was town in SH Mafia? Being right in the past does not mean he's right now. Evaluate each case on its merits, not based on how good at mafia you think the accuser is.
There is the option of the "mayor" to be the one who switches to ensure a lynch, as opposed to them telling other people to change. If we have someone designated then it reduces last second shenanigans.
Would this be more palatable?
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On August 20 2011 03:15 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 03:06 Sevryn wrote:On August 20 2011 02:46 DropBear wrote:OK wtf Palmar? I actually don't understand. What is your problem with me exactly? Nearly all of your posts are one liners that are some variation of "Kill DropBear". On August 19 2011 22:35 Palmar wrote:you guys are fucking lazy and boring. Why not just bandwagon everything I say? that's a good plan. Go read DB's first post in PTP2 where he was town. He's like 1000 trillion times more careful and vague in these opening posts than last time. Here's his PTP2 opening post for comparison: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10466682He's careful to just give advice that cannot possibly rub anyone the wrong way. SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM The "not safe" post you link included a joke about Harry Potter, a complete throwaway vote on kitaman27 and a joke about sandroba's plans. My first post in this thread advocated forcing people to change their vote, how is that so incredibly safe compared PTP2? I don't actually understand your case, I will talk to you more if you actually come up with something.
On August 19 2011 18:14 supersoft wrote:On August 19 2011 18:00 Palmar wrote:
how about putting your vote on dropbear?
##Vote DropBear i just filtered him, and he just posted one policypost and no thoughts about other people. Why not pressuring him a bit. Can't be bad. [b]##Vote DropBe and before anyone jumps on me like: "wtf he bandwagoned blablabla" - like Curu did in AA; I am NOT one of the players, that bandwagons on anyone random with a bad explanation only to show up the next day like "hey guise sorry what happened, oh you lynched scum - yea well I had stuff to do." I will be there at the end of the day and put my vote on scum. My posts are 2 pages after the game started. 2 pages. Half the players hadn't even posted yet and most of the ones who did posted nothing other than "/confirm". How do you expect me to have reads on people before they have even posted, through divination? Time travel? What's with the random defence of your actions at the end? It's like you know it's a stupid idea, but you're doing it anyway. Did you or Alright since I don't see anything scummy about dropbear at this point I'm going to take my pressure vote off of him. In swedish palmer asked me to put a pressure vote on someone who turned out to be scum. Because pressure votes don't work near as well if you say its a pressure vote I made up a bullshit reason to vote in that gmae like I did this game. I might have missed something but what exactly makes you believe everything Palmar says in this new game?
Did you or varp read my post I said it was a pressure vote I don't need to believe palmar to pressure vote to try and find out if he is right...
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On August 20 2011 03:16 DropBear wrote:Ok so the thread so far consists of people making riddles, silly accusations and parrotting "lurkers are bad". This shit needs to stop. Noone has said ANYTHING of value yet. I made a post about this but the issue was ignored so here goes. THE GRAND DESIGN- This game has the possibility of no-lynches - No-lynches are generally anti-town - We need a system to ensure they do not happen - I propose that we elect an unofficial mayor to decide how to break ties close to deadline, should a no-lynch look likely. Such a person will be responsible for choosing who changes their votes and how it is done, or alternatively they will take on the responsibility of being the person who changes their vote to ensure a lynch takes place. - Such a person needs to be willing to cop criticism and cannot be a total fuckwit. Hopefully non-mafia as well They will not be required to do anything if a lynch looks like going ahead. - I nominate myself for the position. I am decisive, active, capable of good reasoning and most importantly I am town.
Wow it only took 4 minutes for my revolutionary fake mayor election to spread to other games. I'm so pro.
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On August 20 2011 03:27 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 03:10 Palmar wrote:
DropBear! you're here!
Hi, you're scum.
Your first post includes a question to the mods, some random advice that everyone already knows. I think you're just making blanket statements to hide the fact that you rolled red.
And of course Nard's post is hella scummy if you flip town, it means he's trying to set me up as a follow up lynch, which is potentially really good for mafia.
But I'm not sure we have to worry about that, you're the most scummy one in the thread at the moment, and I propose we investigate you with a piece of rope around your neck. ??? Cmon man, you're a better player than this. It's the first post of the game, what do you want from me a 100 page dossier on each member of the Mafia team? I was attempting to generate discussion by bringing up how we force lynches to occur. Your first post didn't contribute anything. Should I be tunneling you for it? Of course not. You really don't seem to like my post. Do you prefer this? Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 05:23 Lucidity wrote:
Hi, my name is Lucidity and I'm a Liquidite.
/discuss Or this? Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 05:07 Curu wrote:
So, Foolishness confirmed as Town Vet? Discuss. Or this? Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 06:01 Kurumi wrote:On August 19 2011 05:51 Mig wrote:
Kurumi are you going to be useful or troll kurumi this game? Let's play a game. You win, I don't, You lose, I do. You are in a room. It has thick, cold and bare walls. One of them is made of unbreakable glass. There is a sandvich and bonk! energy drink behind it. You are very thirsty and very hungry. You have a crowbar, flamethrower and 30 pieces of shuriken. What do You do to get the food?
hahahaa
you're so scummy man. "But look at that guy, or that guy". Nah, I aint buying it, I wanna hang you tonight.
I wanted an honest post from you, not some ridiculous attempt at looking pro-town. The last thing your openers looked like were honesty.
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On August 20 2011 03:21 supersoft wrote:
no.
Posts like this make me sad. Put some effort into the game.
Palmar/DropBear, I'm starting to believe at least one of you isn't, however this could just as easily be two townies chest-pounding day 1, at which point mafia just sits back and watches the fireworks as one or both get lynched, town wastes time, and they don't have to do jack shit.
Point being, Palmar, we know you want us to lynch DropBear. DropBear, we know you want us to not lynch you. Arguing about it just takes up space.
So, DropBear, if you want us to not lynch you, name someone who you think would be a better lynch target, and why. If no better alternative presents itself, I'll vote for you over a no-lynch, and you're the only person really with votes currently on you, so I highly recommend giving us some reasons why your neck should be spared.
And Palmar... you keep making statements like "nard's totally setting me up he's scum" or "dropbear's scum lets investigate by lynching him" without ANY backup. "Your first post was a question to mods ppl know YOU MUST BE COVERING YOUR TRACKS OMG MAFIA" does not constitute evidence. If DropBear's gonna be active and making plans, I'm inclined to NOT lynch him day 1, because it means one less inactive jackass dragging us down. Plus, the more active he is, the sooner he'll slip up if he actually is scum. Of course, lynching is preferable to no-lynching in 99.99% of cases, so I'll vote for him in the end if nobody else comes forth.
But I want to see a better case from you regardless.
Finally, DB's plan: in a perfect world, it'd be great, but I don't think an unofficial mayor will have the power necessary to break ties of more than one vote. Also, how do we know this mayor will be pro-town? How do we know you are pro-town? How do we know if ANYONE'S pro-town at this point?
We don't really, so I think an unofficial "mayor" will just serve to clog the thread further, will draw med-protects away from people who really need them like blues, and will end up not benefitting town in any major way.
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