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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 18 2012 02:28 GMT
#2336
On January 18 2012 11:23 Adam4167 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 18 2012 05:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Adam4167 (Filter link)

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On January 13 2012 19:41 Adam4167 wrote:
This hasn't been mentioned yet and I think it deserves to be:

On August 12 2011 06:20 flamewheel wrote:
Bodyguard
You protect the elected roles. After the election concludes, two Bodyguards are randomly chosen from amongst the pool of Townies. Before Townies are randomly selected as bodyguards though, Mafia may elect to substitute any of their members in for Bodyguards. That means there may be 0, 1, or 2 Mafia acting as Bodyguards instead of townspeople. The town will not know who is selected as bodyguards, but the elected roles will. As long as you (the bodyguards) remain alive, elected roles cannot be killed during the night. However, Mafia bodyguards do not protect town-aligned elected roles! This means that if there are no town-aligned bodyguards left, town-aligned elected roles are in danger of death during the night phase. Town-aligned bodyguards chosen from the pool of Townies will show up as Bodyguards to role checks, and Mafia-aligned bodyguards will show up as Bodyguards regardless of any other powers they might possess.


Electing our best scum hunters so they can use the bodyguards as shields is just inviting the scum to wipe out both of our elected officials after they replace our bodyguards with their own. If they kill both officials on night 1, we'll never know who the scummy bodyguards were and we'll be down 2 of our best scum hunters and both of our elected roles.

Id prefer if our best scum hunters didn't run for election, and left their protection in the hands of the sheriff/medic.

Nobody picked up on this. Not sure why it never garnered more discussion. It's fear mongering, to try and not protect the best scum-hunters what?
There were, and still are, a ton of options for dealing with this, which could leave town with trading 2 for 2 if both are replaced.

There seems to be a huge lack of content. This is his best post to date:
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On January 15 2012 20:01 Adam4167 wrote:
Filter problems:
-glurio’s filter is linked to D3’s.
-Jackals filter is linked to glurio’s.

Palmars lynch/WBG, is WBG scummy?
- Im disappointed that Palmar was yet again made a focus of discussion on day 1, but he was right, there was almost 10 people doing far less then him (incoming modkills), yet he gets flack for it, based solely on his name (meta).
- As far as the WBG situation, I can see it going either way, right now he’s null to me but I cant fault him for wanting more out of Palmar, I did too.

Palmars lynch/BC choosing him, did you agree with this?
-Nope, should have followed his read and hung protactinium. Not that I think Prot is scum, I don’t, otherwise I wouldn’t have voted for him, but if BC is going to be swayed by the loudest voice in the mob, he may as well have just stepped down and let someone else win. I wanted someone who was confident in his reads, not making compromises with his suspicious mason buddy.

BM/BC being the elected pair?
-Well, I didn’t vote for either of them. Right now I like Bill Murray a whole lot more then I like BC. He’s posting, maintaining a good thread presence, contributing in the discussion. BC’s rash Palmar lynch, which seemingly came out of the blue, has me concerned that it went to the wrong place.

Who would you look into lynching next and why?
-Right now, I think VE is doing a good job of causing chaos and being a general distraction. I wouldn’t be adverse to him dying, regardless of his retardo jack claim. Palmar thought Ciryandor was scum, and now that we know it was coming from town Palmar, I give it weight.
-I want to see what information our modkills bring, plus the nightkills. I am hoping maybe one or two scum get flipped in the modkills or vig fire, then I can start looking for associations.
-I’m surprised Erandorr didn’t come under fire for his meta of refusing to play scum, and posting nil this game. I’ll be watching his replacement like a hawk.

Double Lynch tomorrow?
-Im all for a double lynch tomorrow. Less people shitting up this thread is good because I’m spending 3 hours catching up on this thread after I wake up, then a further couple of hours reading filters (/whine). On a more useful note, increasing our KP is a good idea. I find Jacks and Vigs far less reliable and am much more in favour of democratic scum killing then “I DON’T LIKE WHAT YOURE SAYING, ILL BLOW YOUR FACE OFF CHEESE” kind of ‘scum’ killing.

On another note:
-I asked GGQ a question, never got an answer. I can only assume he’s read it. His last post said “I’ve only read up to page 57”, and my question was on page 50. Id have really preferred the answer before Palmar was lynched. He’s ended up on Foolishes watch list, and his last post is defending someone on Foolishes scum list, so Ill be keeping an eye on this one for sure.


But it only spawned because I specifically asked him about it.

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On January 17 2012 20:22 Adam4167 wrote:
So cheese, while you're around:

-You still think VE is scum? or just a townie that did dumb shit?
-What are your thoughts on Kenpachi and kingjames?
-Finally, what are your thoughts on me and Ech?


Why do you want my opinion on you?
If we were both town, How would that help us in any way shape or form?
It seems like an 'Am I hiding well?' type question.

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On January 17 2012 19:45 Adam4167 wrote:
On January 17 2012 19:30 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
after Sephirotharg in Wiggles mini mafia, I would prefer Chaosquo over Macpo, but I'm willing to swap I suppose.


Oh come on, that was fun ^^

Lets consolidate on Macpo for now, deal with Chaosquo at a later date.

##Vote: Macpo

Shutting down discussion on candidates other than Macpo? My vote is definitely not necessary if we want Macpo lynched.



Nice case there cheese /rolleyes

That first post you’ve quoted is not fearmongering. That was a strategy discussion and I brought it up to potentially thwart scum knocking off both of our elected officials and some of our best scum hunters.

Yes, my filter is lacking, I acknowledge that right here link
my friend died in a car accident on the weekend. The only reason I haven’t asked for a replacement is because I know there aren’t any, with close to 10 people getting modkilled.

You said it yourself “If we were both town”. I don’t know if you’re town, I’m really doubting it now though.

I do find your case on me interesting however, not once do you call me scum. You try to cast doubt on me and construe things in a way that make them look worse then they are. Are you trying to see if your case takes off before you finally come out and say it?

Lets see how you answered that post where I asked you about myself and ech:
-VE could be town or scum. Thanks for that one Sherlock.
-Null on Kenpachi
-Null to weak town on kingjames
-Null on Echelon
-Null on me

Are you even trying?

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On January 18 2012 05:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
Oh kill that Adam guy too, he's been saying weird shit for days.


Bugs, you want me dead because you think I’m saying ‘weird shit’? I’m here to kill scum, not people who say stuff I don’t agree with.

Are you?

They are things I wanted to hear you reply to. If it was a case, rest assured I would have put more effort in. It doesn't address you directly because at that point discussion was dead.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 18 2012 03:03 GMT
#2340
as much as i dislike being wrong, good flip.
Still very disapppointed by the people that let discussion die.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 18 2012 18:21 GMT
#2404
Hmm, the way I see it, BM or BC is scum.
Scum don't usually like to take risks. If they already had a strong candidate on the line, why risk another?

If it came down to denying one scum role.
The mayor chooses a lynch and gets three votes, it's easy enough to make sure the mayor mislynches, and mason the mayor and attempt to sway him on later days. The sheriff's power however, could block KP and save townies.
Sheriff seems like the obvious choice.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 18 2012 19:47 GMT
#2423
On January 19 2012 04:39 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 03:21 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Hmm, the way I see it, BM or BC is scum.
Scum don't usually like to take risks. If they already had a strong candidate on the line, why risk another?

If it came down to denying one scum role.
The mayor chooses a lynch and gets three votes, it's easy enough to make sure the mayor mislynches, and mason the mayor and attempt to sway him on later days. The sheriff's power however, could block KP and save townies.
Sheriff seems like the obvious choice.


I dislike the use of the argument "One of the mayor or sheriff MUST be scum because scum wouldn't let both spots go to townies" because it's just... not accurate. Sure, it's pretty logical to think Mafia would throw a candidate out there, but people place too much faith in Mafia's ability to win elections based off their super-secret voting bloc and their supposed ability to con their way into office. In the end, a mafia candidate has to win his office based off of solid reasoning and debate, not by virtue of mafia being able to sprinkle a few extra votes his way.

What if Protactinium was the mafia candidate and he just happened to lose a close race to BC and BM? What if WBG was the mafia candidate, and he just scrubbed his campaign epically? What if mafia pulled a double-fakeout and stayed completely out of the mayoral race, knowing we'd be picking the winners to pieces and spending less time trying to find them? These are all questions we should be asking.

Do I think one or both of BC or BM is probably mafia? In this case, I wouldn't be surprised. However, the argument "One of them must be mafia because they're elected officials" has no place here.

Not quite what I was trying to convey. Like I said, scum don't like to take risks, so I believe they only had one strong candidate, and this is another reason I believe said candidate is BM.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 18 2012 19:49 GMT
#2425
On January 19 2012 04:40 Jayjay54 wrote:
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On January 19 2012 04:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and please stop telling me "Toad you're very wrong". So far I was right with pretty much everything I said. The thing were I have an opinion that differs from yours is sandroba. Everything else is totally the same.
I said mattchew is town, I said palmar is town, I said cyri is mafia, I said macpo is probably mafia but I'd like to lynch someone else first to get a better read on him because he posted so little, I said kita& wiggles are probably town when I talked about their campaigns, I said foolish is probably town and I'm agreeing with pretty much everyone on that mafia list.
How can you say I've been wrong so much. The only thing I could be wrong about could be Sandroba and he hasn't flipped yet.
So PLEASE stop telling me I'm wrong so much if everyone that flipped showed I was right with what I say and the one person we've got different opions hasn't even flipped.


what I think is funny is that you are getting smacked left and right and are also on peoples list for that sandro bullshit, while I do basically the same thing and end up on no list...

we pretty much agreed on most and even the unpopular stuff, you were just leaning towards sandro scum and I BC scum. why is no one casing me. I find that hard to understand. seriously, people are trying to fuck you man

Chainsaw defence?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 18 2012 19:57 GMT
#2427
No no, I don't mean you, I mean the people attacking Toad
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 18 2012 20:10 GMT
#2430
On January 19 2012 05:01 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 04:57 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
No no, I don't mean you, I mean the people attacking Toad


sorry, you should have specified that

as I said, bugs is listed as town in my books...

and why wouldn't they attack me in the slightest, when I did the same thing?

To much speculation imo.

Well, if the person being defended flips scum it's a relatively solid tell. It is possible for townies to defend each other like that.
Why wouldn't they attack you?

On January 19 2012 04:40 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 04:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and please stop telling me "Toad you're very wrong". So far I was right with pretty much everything I said. The thing were I have an opinion that differs from yours is sandroba. Everything else is totally the same.
I said mattchew is town, I said palmar is town, I said cyri is mafia, I said macpo is probably mafia but I'd like to lynch someone else first to get a better read on him because he posted so little, I said kita& wiggles are probably town when I talked about their campaigns, I said foolish is probably town and I'm agreeing with pretty much everyone on that mafia list.
How can you say I've been wrong so much. The only thing I could be wrong about could be Sandroba and he hasn't flipped yet.
So PLEASE stop telling me I'm wrong so much if everyone that flipped showed I was right with what I say and the one person we've got different opions hasn't even flipped.


what I think is funny is that you are getting smacked left and right and are also on peoples list for that sandro bullshit, while I do basically the same thing and end up on no list...

we pretty much agreed on most and even the unpopular stuff, you were just leaning towards sandro scum and I BC scum. why is no one casing me. I find that hard to understand. seriously, people are trying to fuck you man

The bolded part seems to be a very crucial difference.
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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 19 2012 01:02 GMT
#2463
On January 19 2012 09:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Step up and lead town then Jackal! You've got my sword!

And my bow!
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 19 2012 01:08 GMT
#2466
On January 19 2012 10:05 Foolishness wrote:
Does night end at 7pm PST?

Err, 12pm KST, whatever that is in PST.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 19 2012 03:03 GMT
#2503
On January 19 2012 11:59 Protactinium wrote:
Toadesstern
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2012 10:56 Toadesstern wrote:
I'd actually willing to lynch BM + GGQ tomorrow. I still think my case is good but I don't like the arguments of the people joining me :p
However I don't like the people telling me it's wrong either because there's nothing they got to say.
The only ones I like right now are people you are not commenting it at all but that's not helping me at all :p


Filter all of Toadesstern's posts. Search for all instances of GGQ. Confirm that Toadesstern has never made a case on GGQ, and has in fact been preventing his lynch all yesterday. "I still think my case is good"? Lol. Bullshit. See a trend here

*his case* seems to be the Sandroba one he's mentioned quite a few times now.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 19 2012 03:06 GMT
#2511
L died, Yagami Light wins.

##Vote Bill Murray
##Vote Chaosquo
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 19 2012 10:16 GMT
#2635
On January 19 2012 13:01 p4NDemik wrote:
Secondly, he just latches on to another case when explaining his vote (keep in mind even cybercheese didn't feel strongly enough to vote for Chaosquo), this feels like a lazy cop-out for having to post an explanation.

Wat?
Blatantly untrue...
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 19 2012 10:33 GMT
#2637
On January 19 2012 14:11 Bill Murray wrote:
I didn't get to send in anything last night, and I'm like 80 pages behind on reading
I don't mind being lynched
I've failed you all as a Sheriff

On a night where jailing scum would have reduced mafia KP, he didn't incarcerate. Is anyone surprised?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 20 2012 08:44 GMT
#2842
On January 20 2012 08:38 GGQ wrote:
I think there's more that enough on BM to justify a vote right now.

The second vote is trickier, I'm considering supersoft and p4ndemic, but I'm not enthusiastic about lynching kingjames. No one seems to have noted that cyber_cheese's activity level is sharply decreased this day phase, which only furthers my suspicions of him.

Not that this determines his alignment one way or the other, but can WBG confirm that supersoft did, in fact, mason him?

I got stuff to do, and I'm pretty happy with my votes at the moment.
Anyone who is indecisive, get your ass on Chaosquo.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 20 2012 08:48 GMT
#2843
One random thought I did have though. Since two vigs flipped last night, we can't prove it was Jackal who shot L.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 20 2012 09:00 GMT
#2845
I feel like double lynching tomorrow would be good.
We get a lot of new information with the lynches and nk's, and the sooner we kill mafia, the sooner their kp is lowered.
##Vote Double Lynch
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 20 2012 09:12 GMT
#2846
On January 20 2012 14:47 Nisani201 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 14:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On January 20 2012 14:29 Nisani201 wrote:
Meapak, your case against Opz is not very good. You are basically calling him scum for being wrong (about Protact), while throwing in some mafia kill WIFOM.

I guess you didn't read it then lol. If you had you'd know those are two supporting tenets not the main idea.

OK then fine, you're calling him out for being consistent and pressuring against Protact...

Chainsaw much?

If anything was a chainsaw defence, you just attacked Meapak for his case on Opz.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 20 2012 11:09 GMT
#2855
On January 20 2012 19:29 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 17:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
One random thought I did have though. Since two vigs flipped last night, we can't prove it was Jackal who shot L.

I called my shot before the day post bro.

Woah, I thought you were sputtering random crap..
No-eL, pretty clever
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 20 2012 13:41 GMT
#2866
On January 20 2012 22:21 Jitsu wrote:
The reasoning behind asking for the bodyguard's was a choice that I weighed for awhile. In the end, I decided to go along with it.

Wait, you specifically asked him to? If so, can you prove all logs between you two?
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
January 20 2012 13:43 GMT
#2867
well, redact the bg names just in case tho
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