On January 23 2012 12:43 p4NDemik wrote: this is not the first time I have been accused of tunneling why does this keep coming up
I have provided analysis on more players in this game than anyone. I've has more guts than anyone else in making logical arguments for the existence of multiple other mafia other than you. It should be obvious by now that I have been suspicious of you as mafia for some time now. Indeed if it was practical or I thought it was the right play yesterday I would have come at you. I was diametrically opposed to you all of the last day. Yet I did not tunnel you. I did not question you. I did not push for your lynch.
I set aside that suspicion and pushed for a handful of other lynches and was receptive to your ideas. But just because I am pushing you for a lynch now does not mean I am tunneling you. I have a bead and many other reads on a lot of other players and I have pointed out other potential mafia. I still advocate a lynch of BM, I just believe that we have a better play available today.
tunnel-vision is not considering anything or anyone outside of you. I am doing quite the opposite of that yet multiple people have made this fallback attack on me. i'd urge town that want productive conversation to consider the actual definition of the term and not throw this bs at me.
I agree with nearly everything you said, except about BC being scummier then BM. No one is ignoring you, just stop the yelling. Everything you refer in your mayor voting analysis favors BM as scum much more heavily then BC. One mafia has flipped on BC's wagon (though not many others were killed), but several are on bill's. Bill's comment on sandroba was so fleeting that I doubt he would follow through with it. Other then that, BM got pushed JUST as much as BC did.
All I'm saying is, we are on the stronger lynch path right now. BM is immediately hazardous as scum, while BC is more long term hazardous. BC has been very careful with his votes, so aside from Palmar and Kingjames, he has been on mafia. His 3x vote power has not been utilized effectively in favor of scum. Worst case scenario, if BM is town and BC is scum, they would still be 21 town votes to 9 mafia votes. Consistency is a huge boon for us, so we stay on BM, and then we can make a better assessment without BM still being a factor. A more focused discussion is a much better environment to convince others. There is no need to pour all this gravy before the second scoop of mash.
Bodyguard You protect the elected roles. After the election concludes, two Bodyguards are randomly chosen from amongst the pool of Townies. Before Townies are randomly selected as bodyguards though, Mafia may elect to substitute any of their members in for Bodyguards. That means there may be 0, 1, or 2 Mafia acting as Bodyguards instead of townspeople. The town will not know who is selected as bodyguards, but the elected roles will. As long as you (the bodyguards) remain alive, elected roles cannot be killed during the night. However, Mafia bodyguards do not protect town-aligned elected roles! This means that if there are no town-aligned bodyguards left, town-aligned elected roles are in danger of death during the night phase. Town-aligned bodyguards chosen from the pool of Townies will show up as Bodyguards to role checks, and Mafia-aligned bodyguards will show up as Bodyguards regardless of any other powers they might possess.
It doesn't specifically state that BGs know they are BGs, but it does specifically say elected roles do.
On January 24 2012 12:47 hiro protagonist wrote: As many people have deduced in the thread, my n2 check came back blue. which is why I decided not to reveal the name. I am at work right now, so thats why my posts are brief. I will give a full explanation when i get home.
Oh, well then don't reveal. At all. If it was green, you obviously do, (maybe mason or vig you could reveal). But any other blue role I would keep secluded. IMO.
You did say it was green before. Was their reasoning for lying?
On January 24 2012 12:47 hiro protagonist wrote: As many people have deduced in the thread, my n2 check came back blue. which is why I decided not to reveal the name. I am at work right now, so thats why my posts are brief. I will give a full explanation when i get home.
Oh, well then don't reveal. At all. If it was green, you obviously do, (maybe mason or vig you could reveal). But any other blue role I would keep secluded. IMO.
You did say it was green before. Was their reasoning for lying?
even if it's a green he should not have told us until right before deadline, unless of course that guy was up for lynch. No need in telling mafia who to shoot
No. If he checked a green, he needed to say who it was yesterday, because if he was lying we would know there is scum between two people. If hiro really was a DT and checked someone and they said he lied, we would have outed either another GF. If hiro was lying, we would only risk an actual vanilla role.
On January 24 2012 12:47 hiro protagonist wrote: As many people have deduced in the thread, my n2 check came back blue. which is why I decided not to reveal the name. I am at work right now, so thats why my posts are brief. I will give a full explanation when i get home.
All we need is a name and correct role. You should be able to do that quickly now and explain later.
On January 21 2012 17:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Foolishness amend the list please. I strongly believe atm WBG has a high chance of flipping red.
I would place glurio higher on your list. I also believe that based on play, opz is far more likely to be red.
Disagree here.
I don't see why Meapak is a strong case yet. I'm sticking with
Bill Murray OpZ bumatlarge
Don't see wbg either. His play fits his town play more than mafia even if he is wrong a lot.
Then go on to inactives.
I don't think Kenpachi is red based on L's statements suggesting that Kurumi shot Ciryandor. I'm going to guess that L truly did think Kurumi would shoot Kenpachi, and thus didn't roleblock him that night, but it backfired (nobody else claimed the Ciryandor shot). L also was pushing Kenpachi strangely, so it doesn't fit strongly in my book.
evantrees feels town to me for his earlier response to my accusation. It feels pretty spontaneous and unplanned.
Everyone else is fair game.
Bill Murray dies tomorrow, and we vote for double lynch. OpZ and bumatlarge die the next day.
gee i wonder if this should impact who i think is scum...
Original Message From bumatlarge: ur pushin it bro lol
Meapak is pretty assuredly scum, I'll post something in a bit.
Original Message From ~OpZ~: lol
You said you wanted to be mason'd, so I did.
Who you think is scum, scumatlarge, messin with you :D
Original Message From bumatlarge: I swear if another person says that word I will punch them through the internet. Well, I'm glad you mason'd me, but so far you are the only one who has. Why did you, not to sound ungrateful.
Original Message From ~OpZ~: Hey look it's scumatlarge
I didn't get to respond to him after that. Sorry Opz, left you hanging. I still hold on to meapak being scum, with GGQ having flipped town.
Yeah, BC totally made up that IRC conversation pandemic, and this is completely legit, right?
On January 24 2012 14:03 p4NDemik wrote: Foolishness you have a lot more explaining and scumhunting to do to get of the fucking hook. I'm very angry at you.
Town, I'm angry for you not pushing him farther than this:
On January 24 2012 12:07 wherebugsgo wrote: also: Foolishness
What
what was all that BM bullshit on day 1?
Just trolling us?
If you look through my posts you'll see that I wanted to kill BM from very early in the game (maybe even as early as end of day 1 I may have said that).
There comes a time with a red-looking dirtbag has to meet his maker. Foolishness your time is nigh. Step up and give me more defense or die tomorrow.
On January 24 2012 14:07 p4NDemik wrote: Would you guys stop being pussies and push him instead of letting him off the hook after he posts a grand total of two lines?
I'm being melodramatic I know and I'm a bit caught up in the fact that 3 mafia just died but I haven't even voted for him to be hung yet. FFS guys. A whole game's worth of analysis and STICKING TO MY LYNCH vote of Bill two nights ago gets my eye rolls and disrespect?
alright alright, i see where you are coming from. ill vote bc tomorrow your analysis has convinced me.
On January 24 2012 14:07 bumatlarge wrote: Guys, I'm a medic, i protected kita night 1, VE night 2, and protact night 3.
We need to lynch BC
Hey guys, we found a mafia for tommorrow. Wtf bum? why would you out yoruself -_-
oh my bad... let me fix it.
IM A MEDIC
Oh, And I'm a mason....wait...I am
Maybe you are medic?
hahahaha werent you suspicious when i was dissappointed that YOU had pm'ed me? Silly scum. better shoot me tonight. I Know cyber cheese has my back though.
Bum was stuck in a trench. Commander L had been executed, and private ciryandor tried to climb over the hill, but the distance was too long. Poor guy was gunned down within seconds.
EPT
