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heist
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heist
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Curu
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On July 28 2011 07:32 sandroba wrote: Wrong, he is not determined on anything. He just says someone is suspicious and doesn't explain, so people take the bait and actually start pushing one of his (predominatly wrong so far) suspicions. He sat on the sidelines through all relevant discussion we had so far. He didn't antagonize anyone who was active in the thread. He doesn't give a fuck about town. If he wanted kita lynched he would ask for a check on him, since  Only a few people shared his suspicions, but instead he wants redFF(town) checked. He is scum, there's no way around it.No, I gave explanation for all my suspicions when I named them. I don't believe that trying to defend BC since nobody was capable of seeing things from his perspective qualifies as "sitting on the sideline". Rather so many people spent their posts attacking BC with redundant arguments that sitting on the sidelines in this case was blending in with all the attackers. People like Curu, redFF, chaos13, Mig, Nisani, syllogism, Dropbear and Palmar to some extent, and of course yourself. I singled out redFF at the beginning because of his troll posts, and after reading BC's game I saw remarkable similarities between his posting behavior that game to this game (and he was red in BC's game). I was ready to write an analysis of him as soon as day started but he's dead now. While we're on the subject of you, you, DropBear, and syllogism were the first people to take up what I said on Kitaman and vote for him. And as I recall the three of you responded to what I said about him as "he [Foolishness] is right let's lynch him". I brought up Kitaman because he wasn't making any posts longer than 2 lines and he didn't seem to care about the town. You, dropbear, and syllogism (among others) were the ones that took that to the next step by voting for him. Of course I'm grateful because it forced him to respond (unlike Wiggles who just ignored me). But don't go around saying that I'm laying "bait" for you guys when it's your fault for just accepting whatever I say and not thinking for yourself. That's exactly what nearly everyone did with BC, someone made an argument against him, then they immediately reposted that argument in their own words instead of trying to think why BC was saying/acting the way he did. You know what happened as a result. And I also asked for a lynch on Kitaman way before supersoft was ever revealed in the thread. A lot of you seem to have forgotten this, or you're just trying to make ends meet to accuse me. Now, before you go start writing a response with the words "chainsaw" and "defense" strewn all over it, I'm only pointing out the inconsistencies in your arguments here. Sitting here calling me useless for the town (or however you put it in a previous post) is ironic given all you've done is sheep off of my early suspicion, then stubbornly attack BC with the rest of the people you think are all 'active and contributing' town members. And you say "I didn't antagonize anyone who was active in the thread". What does that have to do with anything? Analyzing inactives is what I do best; read past games of mine if you don't believe me. I prod people like kitaman (when he was inactive in the beginning) and Lanaia because nobody else seems to give a care about what they are doing, and would rather sheep BC or Jackal with the rest of the town. I'm not going to stand by while inactives run rampant. While we're on the subject, before you say "LOL ur just as inactive Foolishness", at least I provide reasonings for my accusations that are uniquely my own. I first pointed out Kitaman's one liner patter, I noticed redFF trolling and acting like he was in BC's game, and I thought Wiggles was an SK because he seemed to have a hidden agenda (although I never directly said that). Let's look at one of your accusations: On July 25 2011 20:57 sandroba wrote: Okay, shit about jackal is getting anoying. If some vig is convinced he is scum go ahead and shoot him at night. Foolishness is right. Let's lynch kita, he been useless and been subtly pushing suspicion into everyone with his question. ##Vote: Kitaman27 That's just sad in comparison. The rest of the town's voting habits are no different. On July 28 2011 07:25 heist wrote: Ok I've read Foolishness' posts. The suspicious things that I got: 1. He is not particularly active or contributing much to town discussion. But this applies to other people in the game. In fact most of Foolishness' posts have been accusing others of this very reason. He seems determined Lanaia, redFF, wiggles, and kita are scummy. However, not too much thought has gone into it. Is he trying to reduce the attention on his own back or genuinely trying to pressure them into being more active? 2. He is on Kita the entire time for not contributing much and lurking. But he then puts his final vote on redFF for "trolling". Perhaps kita's willingness to submit to a dt check made him not so suspicious? 3. Opposed both the jackal lynch and the BC lynch.I guess this is noncommittal if you look at it that way. Or perhaps he really doesn't believe in the reasoning of either lynches. 4. Doesn't like the mass role claiming, but heavily hints at his own. Basically telling vigs that it's a bad idea to target him. Obviously a more scum oriented motivation, but really inconclusive as to determining his alignment. All in all, as you can probably tell, I'm still quite undecided on him. 1) See above 2) "the entire time"? No. Go read through my posts. 3) See above 4) I don't understand this at all. I'm heavily hinting at my own role? If you're talking about the post restriction BC had one, why all the fuss? I never told vigi's it was a bad idea to target me. If you have a specific post of mine you're referring to go quote it. | ||
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Curu
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heist
United States720 Posts
On July 26 2011 05:35 Foolishness wrote: Thanks for making me immune to death the rest of the game bro...I Really appreciate it | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
On July 28 2011 08:31 Curu wrote: Is there a way to search for users on TL? I want to get Nisani's posts but trying to find one is godamn impossible. click the magnifying glass on the search bar, switch the search type to content only, leave the search field blank, and put "Nisani201" in the username field, and change the order of the results to "Thread Creation Date." Setting the forum to Mafia is helpful too. Find this thread and bob's your uncle. You could also find a post of his and click filter for all the posts in this thread (<3 Nazgul) | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On July 28 2011 08:32 heist wrote: That was an attempt to stop people from randomly putting in TLPD's in their posts. These are the same people that Fistpound Palmar and hand over items through PMs without giving it a second thought. Use your head; don't be in a Fantasy world. | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
On July 28 2011 08:38 Foolishness wrote: That was an attempt to stop people from randomly putting in TLPD's in their posts. These are the same people that Fistpound Palmar and hand over items through PMs without giving it a second thought. Use your head; don't be in a Fantasy world.This man makes sense, I'd rather not lynch him. I'm not seeing how he's super scummy at all. If the only real argument is balance, it's not a good argument. | ||
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Palmar
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Sandroba isn't either. | ||
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Palmar
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syllogism
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On July 28 2011 09:12 syllogism wrote: Palmar aren't this stupid, so I can only conclude that you are, indeed, not town-aligned Palmar. Did you actually read the thread last night when we were pushing for people to switch from BC to Jackal? yes, I read it very well, and I read it again, and again. Wasn't it nice, going from telling us BC was not town-aligned (I love how you always remember to not say 3rd party or scum, just simple not-town) to telling us we're idiots for lynching him? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On July 28 2011 09:15 Palmar wrote: yes, I read it very well, and I read it again, and again. Wasn't it nice, going from telling us BC was not town-aligned (I love how you always remember to not say 3rd party or scum, just simple not-town) to telling us we're idiots for lynching him? You are reading selectively and twisting words, which seems to be the norm for your scum play. I never said I thought BC wasn't town aligned; please quote me and after the heated discussion was over I stated I can't see that being his scum play. BC was going to get lynched until a few of us started aggressively push for Jackal | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Syllogism So, I've been convinced Sandroba was scum since his ridiculous policy post (a policy he later broke, if I recall correctly he wanted to lynch me for pushing a jackal lynch). But the thing is, Sandroba can't be scum, he was the one pushing supersoft to do the right thing, he's basically with me on all my scumreads, except this one.. But how about his twin? This post aims to show you why syllogism is almost certainly scum. There are two main points in this thing: a) Buddying up with Sandroba, someone who is very likely pro-town if I'm right. b) Conflicting actions regarding Jackal c) Conflicting actions regarding BloodyC0bbler Syllogism starts off his game with some random comments on how to consider the roles. None of it is very interesting, this picks up when I try to push for a Jackal lynch, after ON's flip. On July 25 2011 18:29 syllogism wrote: Pretty sure you people pushing jackal aren't this gullible/blind, but rather not town aligned Care to explain why mafia jackal would reveal his role immediately, knowing ON's real aligned and what will likely happen when ON flips town yep, that's right only scum wants to kill jackal. oh, and this is important for later: On July 25 2011 19:30 syllogism wrote: You are completely ignoring the previous posts explaining why it is in fact less likely that he is mafia than the people who should know better pushing for his lynch. You are starting to look like a good lynch. Make a note of it, he's willing to lynch people pushing for jackal. this analysis on kitaman could've been made about like 5-6 people in the game, it just felt right because Sandroba said it, so best buddy up. On July 25 2011 21:07 syllogism wrote: I concur on kitaman, he hasn't expressed his opinion on the main topic of the day while asking questions which pretty much only serve to make EVERYONE involved look suspicious So, early game 1, syllo was pushing a kita lynch while defending Jackal. Syllo then dives into the conversation with BloodyC0bbler that was literally spam for 15 pages or something. On July 26 2011 05:21 syllogism wrote: I can only see two possibilities: BC has a really odd posting restriction or he isn't town aligned. Leaning on former as this would be incredibly bad scum play and there are no village idiots. Bloodycobbler is scum, all the way up until people start thinking he's actually scum. On July 27 2011 04:22 syllogism wrote: I don't like either wagon, but I think I'm more willing to vote for Jackal due to him completely disappearing. Him disappearing right when supersoft showed up with his check is a bit too convenient. I still don't think Jackal's play makes any sense whatsoever for mafia, but I've to go with him with these two being the alternatives. BC if you are mafia, your play today was awful so I can't really even commend you for "fooling me". ##vote Jackal58 That's when it suddenly becomes fine to vote for jackal, a lynch-worthy offense earlier in the day. Now Jackal didn't show up for the cop test, so yes he was a good lynch, and I think most of us switched as soon as BC agreed to the test, which is logical, until the test returns red, in which case we lynch BC, which is also logical. Except for people like syllo, who already know how he's going to flip and it's a great opportunity to tell people they're idiots. On July 27 2011 06:07 syllogism wrote: He was obviously not playing his scum play though and it should have been clear to anyone who knows him Yes, especially yourself. Seriously, let me summarize syllo's day 1 for you. 1. Try to lynch people who want to kill jackal 2. Parrot whatever sandroba says 3. Tell us BC is scum 4. When people believe it, go back to Jackal to show he's town 5. Call people idiots for thinking BC is scum. he suggests 5 dt targets during the night, sure he tells us to vigi jackal, but that's obvious at this point, isn't it? 3 of them at least are green (Mig, Me and redFF) I don't think syllogism is playing the town game, I think he's just playing a scum game where he parrots anything Sandroba says as long as it's beneficial to scum. Notice the only thing Syllo wasn't involved in was when sandroba got supersoft to shoot Tackster. That's right. Syllo has basically jumped every bandwagon that Sandroba has started, taking great care to only do it when it is good enough for his objectives. Appendix: vote timings + Show Spoiler + sandroba Brazil. July 25 2011 20:59. Posts 1201 PM Profile Report Quote # filter ##Vote: kitaman27 syllogism Finland. July 25 2011 21:07. Posts 2253 PM Profile Report Quote # filter ##Vote: kitaman27 ------------------------- syllogism Finland. July 27 2011 05:25. Posts 2253 PM Profile Report Quote # filter ##Unvote ##vote BloodyC0bbler sandroba Brazil. July 27 2011 05:25. Posts 1201 PM Profile Report Quote # filter ##Unvote ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler --------------------------- sandroba Brazil. July 27 2011 05:55. Posts 1201 PM Profile Report Quote # filter ##Unvote ##Vote:Jackal58 syllogism Finland. July 27 2011 05:57. Posts 2253 PM Profile Report Quote # filter ##unvote ##vote Jackal58 --------------------------- sandroba Brazil. July 28 2011 06:52. Posts 1201 PM Profile Report Quote # filter ##Vote: Foolishness syllogism Finland. July 28 2011 06:52. Posts 2253 PM Profile Report Quote # filter ##vote Foolishness Syllogism is scum to re-iterate ##Vote Syllogism | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On July 28 2011 09:21 syllogism wrote: You are reading selectively and twisting words, which seems to be the norm for your scum play. I never said I thought BC wasn't town aligned; please quote me and after the heated discussion was over I stated I can't see that being his scum play. BC was going to get lynched until a few of us started aggressively push for Jackal quote me! | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
Sure, this is a waste of time though so don't send in your check unless there are other morons like Palmar | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Mind me saying, I was roleblocked last night. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On July 28 2011 09:25 syllogism wrote: Sure, this is a waste of time though so don't send in your check unless there are other morons like Palmar no, no i'll wait the day out. | ||
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