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heist
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sandroba
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sandroba
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A more reasonable explanation would be foolishness was role thief all along and was roleblocked and unable to steal someone's role and they siezed the oppotunity to buy some town cred for curu, who was wheel of time all along. | ||
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sandroba
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kitaman27
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On August 01 2011 08:57 sandroba wrote: Look, this shit is bugging me imensely. If foolishness got his role stolen by someone no in his team, why wouldn't he claim? Not claiming when he knew some townie had his role is very risky. He did claim roleblock. Also why would curu push for nisani/chaos instead of foolishness early on in the day when he knew foolishness was bullshitting about his post restriction? A more reasonable explanation would be foolishness was role thief all along and was roleblocked and unable to steal someone's role and they siezed the oppotunity to buy some town cred for curu, who was wheel of time all along. Seems to me you are overthinking things. If curu wasn't the original role theif, than his role creator could have counter-claimed by now, unless all three of them we're scum buddies. You've flipped between Palmar and chaos a bunch of times in the last 24 hours. Mind explaining your thought process? | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On August 01 2011 10:07 kitaman27 wrote: Seems to me you are overthinking things. If curu wasn't the original role theif, than his role creator could have counter-claimed by now, unless all three of them we're scum buddies. You've flipped between Palmar and chaos a bunch of times in the last 24 hours. Mind explaining your thought process? 1) the role creator might be dead 2) They very easily could all be scum 3) Palmar + chaos are both scum it's picking which one you want dead in my opinion I see no issue with people switching between them | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
On August 01 2011 07:51 sandroba wrote: One thing that seems off to me is that curu was pushing nisani/chaos early in the day and only revealed stuff about foolishness later on in the day. Can you please explain this curu? Because I was trying to decide whether I wanted to push Nisani/Chaos or Foolishness, as I thought both sides were scummy (but that they wouldn't be all scum due to my impression of Nisani never being capable of busing a teammate). That's why I wanted to flip Nisani first - if red, Chaos was probably scum, if green then Foolishness probably was. I also asked you to clarify on what you were saying when asking what Foolishness tried to do last night as I said I had information about Foolishness that I could reveal, but you never said anything so eventually I just decided to reveal it anyways. I wanted to wait and see if Foolishness would claim that his role had been stolen, and when he hadn't I had no idea what his motivation for not doing so was. Later in the day, I became aware that Godfather was a role AND alignment change; previously I had thought that it was just an alignment change, so finally I could find a motivation for Foolishness not to reveal he had been hit by the Role Thief. I clearly wasn't lying about being the Role Thief and I don't think you can find a reason for why I would steal Foolishness's power and then out him if I was Mafia. If I had the desire to push in Chaos/Nisani that day I'm pretty sure I could have, since people weren't absolutely sure about Foolishness until I outed the Role Thief stuff. | ||
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Curu
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
On August 01 2011 10:13 Drazerk wrote: 1) the role creator might be dead 2) They very easily could all be scum 3) Palmar + chaos are both scum it's picking which one you want dead in my opinion I see no issue with people switching between them umm if they're both scum then their stories would match up. 1 of them is scum, not both. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On August 01 2011 10:07 kitaman27 wrote: Seems to me you are overthinking things. If curu wasn't the original role theif, than his role creator could have counter-claimed by now, unless all three of them we're scum buddies. You've flipped between Palmar and chaos a bunch of times in the last 24 hours. Mind explaining your thought process? My thought process is that I'm fairly certain that palmar is scum, but it's safer play to lynch chaos first regardless. I ultimately came to the conclusion that chaos is likely scum in both scenarios (of palmar being scum or town), so I decided to keep my vote on chaos. | ||
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Curu
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I did not/do not want to activate a penalty, I had the power to steal a role. Original Message From Eiii: You are the Role Thief! Since your role creator is too lazy to make a super awesome role for you, he is allowing someone else to do all the work! At night, you may select target player and receive a copy of their role the following day. The status of the role remains unchanged. (For example, if you steal a veteran role who has already been hit, you have no additional lives remaining). The selected player is now the Role Thief. Put yourself in my shoes and think about what you would think as soon as you first got this role. | ||
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sandroba
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On August 01 2011 11:22 Curu wrote: Because I was trying to decide whether I wanted to push Nisani/Chaos or Foolishness, as I thought both sides were scummy (but that they wouldn't be all scum due to my impression of Nisani never being capable of busing a teammate). That's why I wanted to flip Nisani first - if red, Chaos was probably scum, if green then Foolishness probably was. I also asked you to clarify on what you were saying when asking what Foolishness tried to do last night as I said I had information about Foolishness that I could reveal, but you never said anything so eventually I just decided to reveal it anyways. I wanted to wait and see if Foolishness would claim that his role had been stolen, and when he hadn't I had no idea what his motivation for not doing so was. Later in the day, I became aware that Godfather was a role AND alignment change; previously I had thought that it was just an alignment change, so finally I could find a motivation for Foolishness not to reveal he had been hit by the Role Thief. I clearly wasn't lying about being the Role Thief and I don't think you can find a reason for why I would steal Foolishness's power and then out him if I was Mafia. If I had the desire to push in Chaos/Nisani that day I'm pretty sure I could have, since people weren't absolutely sure about Foolishness until I outed the Role Thief stuff. Maybe I am overthinking things, but I see no reason for you not to claim that foolishness was lying about his post restriction instantly when you got his role. Also, since no one claimed to have created your role (or foolishness' role), there is no way to be sure you were the role thief to begin with. I'm also fairly certain that whoever created foolishness' role (whichever it was) is scum, because he wouldn't risk faking a post restriction if the role was made by a townie that could instantly call him out. So as you see things add up nicely. | ||
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Curu
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sandroba
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sandroba
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On August 01 2011 11:34 Curu wrote: I'm also going to say this as delicately as possible, you'll have to think a bit to understand my meaning. I did not/do not want to activate a penalty, I had the power to steal a role. Put yourself in my shoes and think about what you would think as soon as you first got this role. Where are you quoting this from? | ||
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Curu
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And do you really think a role as cryptic as this: "You are Rand al’Thor from the Wheel of Time! Through your link to the One Power you are able to manipulate weaves to produce extraordinary effects. The more you use saidin, the more you learn of it and the more powerful the weaves at your disposal. Beware however, using saidin too often will make you insane! Being insane will have debilitating effects on your abilities; the stronger the ability, the worse the effects. You will not know what effect being insane has. Different abilities add a different amount of insanity. You will not be aware if you go insane cause hey, it’s everyone else that’s crazy! That relies on the user not knowing so many things in the role would couple the creator and recipient together on a scum team where they can easily communicate the full role to each other? I'm quoting the Role Thief PM from my inbox. | ||
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sandroba
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sandroba
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Curu
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Read this part of my post again now: On August 01 2011 11:34 Curu wrote: I did not/do not want to activate a penalty, I admit that I was being a bit selfish with not outing Foolishness immediately since I did not want people to know what power I held (and did not want Foolishness to be able to steal it back), but if you read back you can see that almost at the start of the day I was willing to out the information when I asked you what your plan was regarding seeing what Foolishness had done in the night. I also wasn't sure of Foolishness's scum status until later when the Godfather thing clicked, since I was fixed on Nisani randomly voting people but never hitting Jackal. I got my role and alignment PMs from Eiii, if you really think I'd make a slip forging something like that: Eiii you sent out some of the role PMs confirm? | ||
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