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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 25 2011 10:12 GMT
#73
/Confirm

I must disagree with a lot of what Radfield says. It really seems like he wants to steer us to a no-lynch.
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Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 26 2011 02:14 GMT
#130
Essentially Radfield's post was just a bunch of analysis on typical behavior and the like. His only advice for lynching is to lynch lurkers.inactives, and to have only a few suspects day one. And if the town can't agree on the few suspects then "a no-lynch is probably ok". I mean seriously, did this sound like a plan that'll get a lynch?

And later he follows it up explaining that a no-lynch is not terrible sometimes. I mean, I guess that's true, but the only time that really is true is when the town is playing like complete crap. Only then is it a better alternative.

Speaking of this, ILJ's explanation of the same thing is boggling my mind. We should start with lynching but later in the game when we have more information we start applying no-lynches? Why the hell is someone put up for lynch that we decide is probably townie? And furthermore, why is the no-lynch applied there instead of, y'know, someone scummy put up for a lynch?
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Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 26 2011 10:37 GMT
#137
On June 26 2011 05:02 Radfield wrote:
This doesn't really make sense to me. Scum already have a deterent to false claiming dt, in that they will be trading 1 for 1. There is only potential upside to lynching the dt second, as we may be able to verify via a coroner. Yes it's possible/likely that we won't be able to verify the dt, but it's worth trying. Obviously at LYLO things change though. I can't see any potential upside to killing the dt first.


I don't see the deterrent in false claiming DT. From what I'm reading we'll lynch the DT and whoever he claims is mafia (assuming he claims he found a mafia. And why else would you claim DT?) and if he's a false DT then his claim is a townie, and I think that's the 1 for 1.

But it's not 1 for 1, because to lynch two people the mafia also get two night phases to kill. Even if we speed up the killings by using vigilantes (assuming we even have some) the mafia take away town KP. Maybe the false claimer has some kind of power if he gets targeted. The mafia potentially have very good reasons to false claim DT.

Then to verify anything the coroner would have to out himself. And he could be a false coroner. All the potential WIFOM is making my head hurt. Plus we don't even know what roles we have, let alone a coroner which I've never even heard of before I read this thread...

I really don't see how it matters what order we kill the DT and the target. We kill the DT and then verify him, maybe? If he's verified first or second we know we have a dead DT and a dead mafia in the same amount of time. If it's a false DT then verifying that first is more beneficial than verifying that second.

I think the point is that we really don't want people to claim anything in this setup, knowing what we know now. Perhaps that will change with more information later, but for now if you claim DT you die. I think that's a good thing for now.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 26 2011 20:47 GMT
#141
Radfield part of the problem here is that you're assuming way too much. This is not a game with 50 people in it with a wide range of bad players playing. This is an 18-man invitational game with people the hosts want to have play in their game. So it's really not likely we'll hit a scummy blue or bored green with our day 1 lynch. I don't think we're going to have some kind of rabid clusterfuck only to have to rush a lynch at the end, too.

I do agree that if someone is lurky or inactive we should kill them. I hope this isn't going to be the case on day 1. Anyway, with everyone being active it's easier to catch scum. That's the point of the whole "kill inactive/lurkers" policy in the first place. But anyway, here are some points that I'm trying to get out.

1: You don't "get" some kind of magical bonus lynch by not lynching. If you want to hope that things will end up in lylo with a no-lynch on day one instead of a mylo if we were to lynch day 1, three or four days (or more) down the line, I really don't know what to tell you.

Sheesh, that sentence even confuses me and I wrote it. But I hope the point is there. Let me try again.

If you want to gamble that the lynch cycles work out so that we get a lynch later instead of a lynch day 1 without giving the mafia extra kills overall, it had better be a really crappy day 1.

2: Anyone pushing for a no-lynch dies, plain and simple. I'm okay with "this argument doesn't make sense, I'd rather no-lynch than lynch this person" if there are no other options but I seriously doubt that "no other options" will ever be the case for a non-scum paying attention to the game.

3. Everything about confirming a DT is a myriad of assumptions. Okay, we may or may not have a coroner. In addition, we may not have a medic to protect the confirmed DTs. We may not have any DT, too. So yeah.

A false DT claim, in addition to whatever resources the town wastes, also will probably waste the town's time as well. You can bet everything in the game will be focused around the claim, so after the ordeal ends however it ends that's probably at least two days with very limited information coming out of it.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 27 2011 00:50 GMT
#148
On June 26 2011 10:02 Fishball wrote:
You can still push to lynch me. It does not matter to me, but other players might question your motives, whatever that motive is.

Anyways, who are you killing tonight?


On a quick re-read, I became curious as to why Fishball asked this question and why RoL didn't answer it.


Also let it be known that I will simply flat-out ignore Caller's direct and unsubstantiated attack against me. There's nothing to respond to.

From playing previous games with him I know that he does like to post and play in that style no matter what his alignment but I suggest (and this goes for everyone, really) a change to a more active and sociable style. Hanging back and speaking minimally will likely get you killed.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 27 2011 07:49 GMT
#167
Caller what the hell are you doing?
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 27 2011 22:04 GMT
#239
Good lord there's a lot of shit over the last four pages. This game has turned into who is the biggest asshole. (Caller don't say anything about that.) I don't see trolling the thread as being active.

Fishball I asked you a question on page 8. Please answer it sometime.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 28 2011 02:01 GMT
#268
Hey John, considering you're only going to be posting when you feel like you have something to say, do you really think your last two posts needed to be said?
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 28 2011 03:33 GMT
#276
On June 28 2011 11:05 ilovejonn wrote:
Scamp, why do you think chaoser placed you on his tier 3 list along with Chez, sandroba, Kurumi? Or do you not care about it at all? Just want some opinions on what you're thinking about atm.


I really have no idea what Chaoser was thinking when he ordered those tier lists. Note that he didn't really offer any idea of what to DO with it. Also I don't know what tier 3 is supposed to mean.

Not to mention these lists always tend to turn out badly unless Dreamflower is making them.


What I'm thinking about currently is to figure out who is trying to confuse the town and who actually has good reasons for trolling.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 28 2011 16:56 GMT
#358
Well, let's see. An entire page dedicated to Palmar and Kurumi. Also some accusations of lurking and inactivity meanwhile everyone seems to have forgotten that I'm playing in this game.

I really hate deconduo's reasoning for claiming in that the mafia might let him live. The only reason a townie should cling to his life is if he has a very important power role.

Furthermore negative points for calling out someone for lurking while saying nothing on me. LSB is also guilty of this.

ILJ and Sandroba have been gone for a while. Not enough to be lurking yet but they should chime in soon.

Chezinu, on the other hand, has been playing very interestingly and I'm disappointed that he hasn't shown himself for way too long.

##Vote: Palmar
Admittedly this is a placeholder vote but I do want to hear what Palmar has to say about Fishball. I would have put my vote on VE but I want to hear what VE has to say in Chaoser's place and I'm not sure how many votes are on him right now.

@mod Can I get a votecount?
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 28 2011 23:33 GMT
#429
VisceraEyes, it's understandable that you're desperate, but you don't have to be balls-to-the-wall annoying as well.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 29 2011 03:14 GMT
#454
I don't believe that Jackal actually wants to vote for Amber.

##Vote: Amber[Light]

I cannot, in good conscience, add my vote for either Decon or Viscera. However, if we get to the deadline and either is one vote away I will hammer them.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 29 2011 03:58 GMT
#467
RoL is cutting this close...
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 29 2011 04:01 GMT
#469
Yep, you're right.

Back to homework, then.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 29 2011 04:02 GMT
#471
I can't hammer when he's two votes away.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 29 2011 04:03 GMT
#473
RoL took his away and said he'd change it back 12 minutes ago.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 29 2011 04:26 GMT
#480
It would have. I was here while not doing homework. I'm still not doing homework.

You can change your name to Vivi57 now.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 29 2011 08:56 GMT
#497
Um, Palmar? BC also pushed a Zodiac list in XLII when he was mafia. Then his team killed me night 1 and ran the game.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
June 30 2011 08:43 GMT
#556
OH EM EFFING GOD. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO PLAY A GAME PAST NIGHT 1 ANYMORE.

That's three games in a row.

GG everyone. Good luck to whatever side I'm on.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
July 09 2011 10:21 GMT
#1189
I'm really confused. What the hell happened to my body and what did you maniacs do with it?

Also wondering why I was hit night 1. Not that I minded since I was VT but still curious about why.
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