I'm leaving in half an hour for a graduation, and if I have time while I'm waiting I'll try to come up with some analysis, but i CANNOT be the only one doing it for this town.

Steff: Analyse. It doesn't matter if you aren't good, the only way that you will get better is by trying. Read Ver's guide to Mafia XXX if you don't know where to start.

Palmar: Don't sheep. Figure out who has the better arguments, and go back and read the beginning carefully now that you know who is who from the flips.

Dementrio: Get in here and post more. I still think that you are town, but you really need to be more active. What are your thoughts on the lynch, who is scummy, and why?

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

June 11 2011 20:03 GMT

#489

On June 12 2011 04:44 stefftastiq wrote:
so you suspect there were 2 veterans 1 vigi (and even more blues) on the town side vs 3 scum?

No, I thought that there would be three blues. I KNOW that there are two vets, and I thought that the third was Jeejee (DT), but now that I know there is a vig(you), I'm certain that there are no more blue roles. Meaning that I no longer belive JeeJee to be the DT.

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

June 11 2011 20:09 GMT

#490

On June 12 2011 01:57 stefftastiq wrote:
I think my vote is going to Kavdragon as well for the moment - even tho he has seemed to play townish, it might have been a bit too townish? - someone wrote in SNMMII that mafia is very much about what you make people believe..

Been going through the thread and I agree with the previous post - and it can seem that he has 'controlled' the game by being town - since scum dont really have to rely on lynching townies as long as we do that ourself - then they just sit back and kill the most obvious townie at night or a random - which I guess why he wanted the vigi to claim.

as for now I see both JeeJee and Prplz go on Kav while Prplz also says JeeJee is scum.

Ill put my vote on Kav for now - and I think i need a really good argument to change it, also a lot of the people who were suspicious about Kav in past now are dead - this might make things right

##Vote Kavdragon

I've been lynched for that reason my past two games. I was town both times.

The argument that "he is too townie" is retarded. I've proved it with my dead body twice, and I don't want to have to prove it again.

The fact that I have, as you say "controlled" the town is only because the real town was willing to sheep behind my arguments, and since I was wrong, scum sheeped behind them too.

Everyone has to contribute in this game. You cannot have one player doing all the work, or something like this happens: The leader gets stuff wrong, and then scum lynch him. Yes, mafia is about manipulating opinion, but that's true for town just as much as it is for scum. Just because I'm better at it than some doesn't mean that I'm scum. Look at the intentions behind my posts.

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

June 12 2011 02:43 GMT

#515

Sigh. I got back too late. Did I really screw the town over that bad?

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

June 12 2011 02:45 GMT

#517

Also, before the post:

JeeJee, Dementrio and Prplhz were my team.

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

June 12 2011 02:47 GMT

#519

Lol. A bit late, but accurate non the less. If only I had been able to convince you earlier.

Kavdragon

United States1251 Posts

June 12 2011 23:33 GMT

#547

Right, so I know I played, but I'll post my thoughts on a few things.

The number one thing that everyone should take from this game is to look at voting reactions. This game was clearer than it will almost ever be, so it can provide a very good example:

Day one: Everyone piles on the votes. There is NO way that mafia would let one of their own get that high in the votes without a fight, and the only real reason why I didn't press that point was because I was vet and didn't think that it would be possible for two vets in the same setup. Otherwise, this should have been a clear indicator that Sinani was innocent. (Sure, the replacement isn't necessarily scum, but at least you have a much clearer town read on Sinani than you do on the replacement). I was stupid for ignoring that fact too much.

Day two: Everyone votes at the beginning of the day, and there is no real push for a different lynch. I don't think there was ever a person with over 1 vote until the end, other than OriginalName. In addition to this, there was VERY little discussion about anything that day. That won't happen if scum are unhappy with the lynch. Again, another huge tell that OriginalName wasn't scum. (I'm actually going to revise the statement I made earlier, and say that the reaction from people is MORE important that the initial analysis.)

Day three: Again, the same thing happened: There was really only one person up for lynch, and not a lot of discussion surrounding it. No one was fighting for me, and people were making weak arguments against me. Even though I explained my play, people keep on the vote. Late in the day it should have been clear from the reaction to the voting that I was town, if not from an analysis of my play.

Look for things like this in future games because more often than not they will flip someone before they die and you can revise the lynch.

I for my part failed terrifically on my analyses, but read the responses correctly. Perhaps with this game as a reference I will be able to convince people of the truth of reading the response better.

I'd actually be interested to know why those townies left voted for me, because I thought that I explained myself rather well. (Especially with the vet claim that would make no sense for me to use after Sinani flipped Vet AND I said that it's perfect for scum to fake claim).

Congratulations to the mafia, you guys played well.