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Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4217 Posts
May 06 2011 17:07 GMT
#881
It didn't exactly help when you didn't say anything until so late..... The game was pretty much sealed a while ago.....
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
May 06 2011 18:21 GMT
#882
Yeah. For the record, I never thought San/Ace were town 100%. I should've just tried to lynch one, but I thought I could wait because BB was the third. I was actually thinking they were pretty scummy on the last day, where San kept coming in with Ace to push things, but I thought it was a bus, so I didn't say anything. Oh well, I haven't played green in like months, haha, so I'm pretty bad at it. I'll take responsibility for town getting raped. :p

Thanks to the hosts for hosting, I had a lot of fun. Hopefully if we try again, there'll be less modkills, but it was still amusing. Thanks!
you gotta dance
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
May 06 2011 19:55 GMT
#883
On May 06 2011 13:30 iGrok wrote:
Regarding the Bullet-proof townie Miller role:

This was town's failsafe. This is the guy who should be drawing all kinds of hits and never claim unless checked. He can claim a blue role, do awesome scum analysis, w/e, just draw the hits and make the game last longer. That's his goal. I thought tnkted did pretty well as it, even if he didn't draw any hits.


Yeah, I had seriously considered claiming blue but GM and Bum both claimed first and I absolutely did not want to let either of them counterclaim me. I was thinking about claiming medic but decided against it since I wouldn't be able to protect anyone and I didn't want to say "oh i protected this person" and then have that person die.

GG, well played mafia. I didn't think san was scum at all!
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
May 06 2011 20:01 GMT
#884
You should have claimed medic lol I was very suprised tnk didn't get hit. I think the best way to lure hits is to be extremely active and have 1 person high on your scum list who you really doubt is actual mafia, and then mention with little certainty your actual scum list. Whether you get hit or not might tell you something. But I've never been a vet IIRC so I might just be loopy.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
May 06 2011 21:45 GMT
#885
On May 07 2011 00:37 Impervious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 14:56 Jackal58 wrote:
On May 06 2011 14:31 sandroba wrote:
Sorry jackal, I thought you knew I was mafia and would forgive me for calling you an idiot, because I knew you were mafia too. That was all a farse. I wanted to distance from you as much as possible, so we would have a chance in late game no matter what.

I had no idea. Ace turned my head into mush. I'm just disappointed nobody believed my Ace's role is bullshit claim. I think I had Impervious looking at it for a bit. But in the end everybody chose to believe Ace's unbelievable claim.
I knew it was a bullshit claim and I was scum.


Yea, actually, as soon as Ace claimed I realized it was a possibility. At the same time, it made too much sense. -_-

I had the advantage of knowing I voted to kill GGQ (sorry dude) and when he came up dead I knew it wasn't a coincidence. That's when I began to realize I was being left in the dark on purpose.
Life can only kill you once.
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4217 Posts
May 06 2011 22:00 GMT
#886
On May 07 2011 06:45 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 00:37 Impervious wrote:
On May 06 2011 14:56 Jackal58 wrote:
On May 06 2011 14:31 sandroba wrote:
Sorry jackal, I thought you knew I was mafia and would forgive me for calling you an idiot, because I knew you were mafia too. That was all a farse. I wanted to distance from you as much as possible, so we would have a chance in late game no matter what.

I had no idea. Ace turned my head into mush. I'm just disappointed nobody believed my Ace's role is bullshit claim. I think I had Impervious looking at it for a bit. But in the end everybody chose to believe Ace's unbelievable claim.
I knew it was a bullshit claim and I was scum.


Yea, actually, as soon as Ace claimed I realized it was a possibility. At the same time, it made too much sense. -_-

I had the advantage of knowing I voted to kill GGQ (sorry dude) and when he came up dead I knew it wasn't a coincidence. That's when I began to realize I was being left in the dark on purpose.

It was one of those things where everything had to come together for it to work right..... And it did..... And it made the entire town look foolish.
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
May 07 2011 00:56 GMT
#887
town lost cause i was lynched
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 19:01:12
May 07 2011 18:52 GMT
#888
On May 07 2011 06:45 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 00:37 Impervious wrote:
On May 06 2011 14:56 Jackal58 wrote:
On May 06 2011 14:31 sandroba wrote:
Sorry jackal, I thought you knew I was mafia and would forgive me for calling you an idiot, because I knew you were mafia too. That was all a farse. I wanted to distance from you as much as possible, so we would have a chance in late game no matter what.

I had no idea. Ace turned my head into mush. I'm just disappointed nobody believed my Ace's role is bullshit claim. I think I had Impervious looking at it for a bit. But in the end everybody chose to believe Ace's unbelievable claim.
I knew it was a bullshit claim and I was scum.


Yea, actually, as soon as Ace claimed I realized it was a possibility. At the same time, it made too much sense. -_-

I had the advantage of knowing I voted to kill GGQ (sorry dude) and when he came up dead I knew it wasn't a coincidence. That's when I began to realize I was being left in the dark on purpose.


I thought when I told you "I hope you die" that was clear enough :D

On May 07 2011 03:21 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Yeah. For the record, I never thought San/Ace were town 100%. I should've just tried to lynch one, but I thought I could wait because BB was the third. I was actually thinking they were pretty scummy on the last day, where San kept coming in with Ace to push things, but I thought it was a bus, so I didn't say anything. Oh well, I haven't played green in like months, haha, so I'm pretty bad at it. I'll take responsibility for town getting raped. :p

Thanks to the hosts for hosting, I had a lot of fun. Hopefully if we try again, there'll be less modkills, but it was still amusing. Thanks!


If you thought it was a bus should have pointed it out. Just an FYI as something I do when I play scum, since it's done on purpose to deal with people that play town by vote and motive checking.

When I'm scum and you should try it when you're Scum - get your team on different "sides" of the town. This game it seemed like myself and sandroba were "allied" to Wiggles at one point, in agreement with Impervious later on, and never in agreement with bum or Jackal. This is a simplified example since the game was much more fluid than I suggest but I hope you get the point.

As town one of the best ways of catching Scum is grouping people based on what they agree on. Which is why sometimes you'll hear me say something about generating discussion like policy lynch or believing someone's claim. Once this happens then you can make sure that people's votes follow what they said. Then it also becomes easier to look at motives. For example: If bum and Jackal largely agree on bum's claim, then Jackal votes for bum, or doesn't vote for someone who disagrees with bum that doesn't have a good reason to then Jackal "stands out". As scum this is why it's helpful to get multiple players on different sides especially when they can argue: In the event someone gets caught in the "wrong group" if their motives and reasoning match their votes they just appear to be a townie that made a wrong play.

All in all THIS is why of all the things in the game the one thing no one can argue about is where they placed their vote. If you're town and you have extra information then use this to pin Scum. If you're Scum before you vote just make sure your reasoning holds up. If the town has Vigilantes that look to votes or likes to hunt by eliminating players in a group you'll be sorry.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
May 07 2011 19:26 GMT
#889
On May 08 2011 03:52 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 06:45 Jackal58 wrote:
On May 07 2011 00:37 Impervious wrote:
On May 06 2011 14:56 Jackal58 wrote:
On May 06 2011 14:31 sandroba wrote:
Sorry jackal, I thought you knew I was mafia and would forgive me for calling you an idiot, because I knew you were mafia too. That was all a farse. I wanted to distance from you as much as possible, so we would have a chance in late game no matter what.

I had no idea. Ace turned my head into mush. I'm just disappointed nobody believed my Ace's role is bullshit claim. I think I had Impervious looking at it for a bit. But in the end everybody chose to believe Ace's unbelievable claim.
I knew it was a bullshit claim and I was scum.


Yea, actually, as soon as Ace claimed I realized it was a possibility. At the same time, it made too much sense. -_-

I had the advantage of knowing I voted to kill GGQ (sorry dude) and when he came up dead I knew it wasn't a coincidence. That's when I began to realize I was being left in the dark on purpose.


I thought when I told you "I hope you die" that was clear enough :D

Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 03:21 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Yeah. For the record, I never thought San/Ace were town 100%. I should've just tried to lynch one, but I thought I could wait because BB was the third. I was actually thinking they were pretty scummy on the last day, where San kept coming in with Ace to push things, but I thought it was a bus, so I didn't say anything. Oh well, I haven't played green in like months, haha, so I'm pretty bad at it. I'll take responsibility for town getting raped. :p

Thanks to the hosts for hosting, I had a lot of fun. Hopefully if we try again, there'll be less modkills, but it was still amusing. Thanks!


If you thought it was a bus should have pointed it out. Just an FYI as something I do when I play scum, since it's done on purpose to deal with people that play town by vote and motive checking.

When I'm scum and you should try it when you're Scum - get your team on different "sides" of the town. This game it seemed like myself and sandroba were "allied" to Wiggles at one point, in agreement with Impervious later on, and never in agreement with bum or Jackal. This is a simplified example since the game was much more fluid than I suggest but I hope you get the point.

As town one of the best ways of catching Scum is grouping people based on what they agree on. Which is why sometimes you'll hear me say something about generating discussion like policy lynch or believing someone's claim. Once this happens then you can make sure that people's votes follow what they said. Then it also becomes easier to look at motives. For example: If bum and Jackal largely agree on bum's claim, then Jackal votes for bum, or doesn't vote for someone who disagrees with bum that doesn't have a good reason to then Jackal "stands out". As scum this is why it's helpful to get multiple players on different sides especially when they can argue: In the event someone gets caught in the "wrong group" if their motives and reasoning match their votes they just appear to be a townie that made a wrong play.

All in all THIS is why of all the things in the game the one thing no one can argue about is where they placed their vote. If you're town and you have extra information then use this to pin Scum. If you're Scum before you vote just make sure your reasoning holds up. If the town has Vigilantes that look to votes or likes to hunt by eliminating players in a group you'll be sorry.


That's good advice, thanks.

I need to practice scum-hunting, because like I said, I haven't been town for long in a game for months it seems, I'm pretty rusty. :p
you gotta dance
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4217 Posts
May 07 2011 19:33 GMT
#890
I tried to bring up the policy lynch thing pretty early, for that reason. Discussion died out way too quickly, and when it came time to actually lynch Jackal as a policy lynch, the town split..... And I'm pretty sure Ace had some part in derailing that type of discussion.....

I don't think I made any mistakes in this game, based on the info I had, so I'm pretty happy. Sucks that it turned into such a one-sided affair.....
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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
May 07 2011 19:34 GMT
#891
My scumdar still needs callibrating... I had solid reads on both scum the first game I played, but I'm starting to realize that it was because those scum were really bad. the Ace + Sandroba claim trick had me fooled completely.

This was a great learning experience. Good game guys!
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4217 Posts
May 07 2011 19:51 GMT
#892
Ace took a massive gamble with his fake claim, and it paid off. If there was actually a vet in the game, well, things would have turned out a lot differently.

Depending on who claimed vet, I was actually going to counterclaim their vet claim, and play for the lynch of Ace and whoever it was. Sandroba was one of the people I had a town reading of at the time, and when he claimed Vet, I was far more certain that both were legit claims than fake claims. It was a brilliant play, and it worked out really, really well.
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 07 2011 19:53 GMT
#893
If you counter claim Vet and die then it makes the fake claim look stronger. There are very rare circumstances where lying as town does more good than harm.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4217 Posts
May 07 2011 19:56 GMT
#894
Yea, except it could have helped seal your fates earlier. I was positive you and Jackal were scum early on, I just couldn't find a way to convince anyone else..... That would have given me at least something to work with.

And, if it failed, well, we just proved that we would have lost anyways, so what would it have mattered?
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Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4217 Posts
May 07 2011 19:57 GMT
#895
I wouldn't have pushed for your lynch, I would have pushed for sandroba's lynch instead. I could easily argue that the worst case scenario of him telling the truth would be a lynch of a townie rather than a vet, and we would confirm the undercover agent role at the same time.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 20:01:20
May 07 2011 19:59 GMT
#896
could have, but then it comes down to 3 people lying and none of us being able to prove anything about our roles.

So how does the town pick out who is Scum?

And it does matter. Even though you lost it wasn't like we rampaged through the town. When GGQ died it just so happened that I already had a fakeclaim ready AND sandroba fake claimed.

On May 08 2011 04:57 Impervious wrote:
I wouldn't have pushed for your lynch, I would have pushed for sandroba's lynch instead. I could easily argue that the worst case scenario of him telling the truth would be a lynch of a townie rather than a vet, and we would confirm the undercover agent role at the same time.


Explain this would work out? I think I know what you're saying but I need to see the scenario played out.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4217 Posts
May 07 2011 20:00 GMT
#897
well, not sandroba specifically, but whoever claimed it instead of you.
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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 07 2011 20:01 GMT
#898
I'm glad it worked. =) I got pretty desperate when ace suddenly claimed to have hit GGQ. I don't know why he had the blind trust that I would claim vet, because he didn't even send me a msg about it. I was like, shit, should I claim? What if some other mafia claim at the same time? But if I don't claim fast it won't hold the same weight! Shit shit shit LOL
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4217 Posts
May 07 2011 20:03 GMT
#899
The death of GGQ was what really helped sell your role though. It relied on sandroba claiming vet (or at least someone who appeared to be town friendly, but who was actually the 3rd mafia).

Your role had a bunch of holes in it, and sandroba's claim was essentially ripped off of another mafia game (I had a writeup and name of the role ready, that was related to the game at hand), and without the actual death of GGQ, I wouldn't have bought it. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
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Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4217 Posts
May 07 2011 20:04 GMT
#900
The worst case scenario of lynching sandroba (if I counterclaimed) would be that his hit is gone, so he's essentially a normal townie. By lynching him, we get to determine if you were lying and are red, or if you were telling the truth and are blue. It's a pretty solid policy lynch, because we could determine it without actually having to kill you.
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