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Well, LayoffRage is probably the day vig (if not vanilla), so... | ||
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On January 11 2011 10:24 Fishball wrote: First of all, I don't know what LSB meant by Traitor is suicide. Traitor is not a Village Idiot. He doesn't win if he die. I forgot who I was quoting, but someone wanted to assign the traitor to the draft lift. Only problem is that if you got assigned that spot, the town would lynch you day 1. | ||
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On January 11 2011 12:08 bumatlarge wrote: ##Aidnai An easy choice. If hes not mafia, then fishball's speculation loses some cred, and it would seem mroe likely he picked traitor (still waiting for layoff to post his reasons why), but if aidnai is red, there could be easy scum lynches in that little pack. It's an opportunity on 1st lynch. Doesn't happen all that often. This doesn't sound like analysis Bum. It sounds like the good old "we can get information from this lynch! yay!" I want to warn people that it is incredibly easy to misread Aidnai as scum. I used him in Harry Potter to divert the lynch. | ||
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On January 11 2011 12:14 Beneather wrote: If I'm not corrected but if Aidnai does have traitor then the Copy Cat power works and that person gets traitor as well. Do we really want to work on another traitor? Honestly I wouldn't. We have to be very careful of our first lynch if we lynch a traitor then CopyCat gets that role and we have another traitor. We really just don't want Copy Cat getting the role traitor from our first lynch. Well, if that occurs we just Release the Deconduo! onto the Copycat. | ||
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That way if mafia/sk successfully shoots one of the good blues, it won't be a loss as the copycat will just pick it up | ||
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But as for the pardoner, I agree that the role should be used early to prevent mafia from using it late game to pull off a lylo win. At the same time though, it can prevent a townie from being lynched. | ||
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I'm cool with a Day 1 Pardon plan then if no good target shows up. | ||
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About the Traitor I would like to talk about my experiences as a traitor in PYP2. The key thing I did was kept the town on the topic of the traitor and tried to waste the day lynches on the traitor. This worked, and it was a great way to waste lynches. Instead of wasting our day discussion talking about who is traitor or who is not, we should just focus on other things and work on the traitor at night. But the thing about the traitor was, once I was discovered, the Mafia Compulsive Vig also fell with me, since the Compulsive Vig hit me night 2 and did not kill me. We can use the traitor as a way to link in other roles and drag down mafia. This is an effective way to use our blues and also to confirm a lot of people up top. Two Key Facts about the traitor/copycat 1. The traitor/copycat is a role pick and has no other special powers- The Role Cop could be a great way to find the traitor and Copy Cat. In addition.the traitor won't be able to do what they normally want to do. We can then use this to verify a lot of the people on the list. Here's the Plan. Deconduo will shoot LayOffRage If LayOffRage is killed, deconduo is probably not the traitor. Kenpachi will shoot Amber[Light]. Amber[Light] will Roleblock Kenpachi. If Amber[Light] is the traitor, he won't have the Roleblock ability and will die Kitaman27 will be checked by the Bullet Bill. Kitaman27 should have a gun. If he doesn't he's the traitor. Barundar will be checked by the Rolecop. Insta vertification if Barundar is Copycat/Traitor Fishball will be Tracked. Since Fishball has a role, he should be visiting someone. Night 2, we then will check the remaining people Jackal58, CubEdIn and Kenpachi ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/vlioD.jpg) A short summary 2. The traitor if hit by a mafia member at night will be converted- The best way to verify our CPR doc and Vig is by having them kill the traitor for us. If they are unable to do it, it could be a way to confirm them. Once we found a traitor. It's Better for the town to use nightkills on it. | ||
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On January 12 2011 04:36 Fishball wrote: I mean, this post alone should ring a bell. LoR only has 48 posts, and is an "experienced" player huh. But LoR being RoL has nothing to do with "us" wanting to kill him. Right now, only Bum and me have stated our reasons why we should lynch LoR. The majority is jumping on the aidnai train. (I don't want to quote your giant post so I'll just do this one) I agree that LoR should be killed as soon as possible, but why should we prefer a lynch over a nightkill? | ||
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Jimbosilvers- 1. He proposed a counterplan that was worse than mine and didn't even attempt to fix anything. He kept on pushing it even though he couldn't answer the flaws I pointed out. This isn't an effort because he thinks he's right. This is because he wants to cause confusion during the drafting phase as to what plan we were going to do. 2. He's hard pushing aidnai. Remember, aidnai is a witch, a very good pro town role. I want to have witch information since it could confirm a few people. It's a really dumb idea to lose this role day 1 In addition, aidnai was busy (he had a good excuse), and aidnai isn't that great at being townlike. I flaged him as scum in Team Mafia and was wrong. Jimbosilvers seems to be going after the easy kill aidnai- If he is not the witch. I'm voting him because I want him to roleclaim Jackel58- I really don't believe that someone would take Copycat that early. However this probably can be rolechecked to clear it up. If people are actually willing to support a Jimbosilvers lynch I'll look in and do a full analysis. | ||
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On January 12 2011 04:59 Amber[LighT] wrote: LSB, who do you want to lynch if you want to wait until night to kill LOR? | ||
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If you want to kill him, do it tomorrow. Losing the witch day 1 is horrible. On January 12 2011 05:12 aidnai wrote: if I am lynched the copy cat will get this role instead. Remember. The Copycat is in Mafia hands Unvote aidnai Vote: Jimbosilvers | ||
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On January 12 2011 05:21 CubEdIn wrote: LSB, a slight problem with your list: What if Kenpachi says "oh I tried shooting Amber but I was blocked" when in fact he is not JOAT. How can that be verified? Kenpachi is not vertified. This is why I included Kenpachi in the list of "who to vertify night 2" On January 12 2011 05:17 Fishball wrote: - "Stirring-up-the-Traitor" topic in PYP2 was already mentioned in my other post, and your post further supports my logic, especially with you being the Traitor in that game. There is one flaw regarding the CV falling with you, as the CV was predicted to fall sooner or later, and hitting the CV was never actually a deciding factor. Regardless, it doesn't affect this game, and you can PM me after the game if you want to discuss. By my logic I am saying that we should make No traitor related lynches at all. Unless it comes with analysis. Jimbosilvers is someone I want to flip. I was expecting someone to come up with a plan. But not one that does the exact same thing that I does, but worse. It seems like the mafia just stuck Jimbo out there to try to cause confusion on role picks Also, if they are both scum (but Kenpachi NOT lying about his role), this would clear them both up after Kenpachi being role checked. We need to devote some extra time to this if something doesn't happen after night 1. But I like the general idea. As for the lynch, I still see no good reason to change to LoR. Aidnai seems just as good a target so far, and if we lynch a townie at least we're not killing a very promising one. Why change from LoR? As you put it best - If Deconduo can shock LayOffRage, he can't be the Traitor right? Not "probably not". Anyways, I think you're way ahead of yourself right now. We need to lynch somebody first, and you're already talking about Night, and assigning actions to everyone. I don't mind you thinking about Night, but you need take account of Day as well. You really want to take charge of the game and tell everyone what to do, do you? For good or bad, this will be an extremely hard feat. Just showing that it's possible to confirm people at night. Of course it will be a group effort | ||
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On January 12 2011 05:24 CubEdIn wrote: Ummm... ok. Seems very convenient that he's got the one role we can't really lynch on day 1 but fine. ##unvote aidnai ##vote LayOffRage Note that we should not allow focus to come off aidnai though. He was assigned that role. On January 12 2011 05:28 aidnai wrote: About jimbo, his plan may have been worse, it may not have been. I honestly couldn't tell (didn't have time to figure it out and it's moot now). But the way he attacked me looks to me like townie who is taking himself too seriously. Even though I'm sure mafia want me lynched, they don't have motivation to be the name you remember afterwards when I flip green. They'll be the ones that sheep along with the crowd, not the ones screaming and raging. So no, I wouldn't support a jimbo lynch. Because Mafia totally did that in XXXV. As for jimbo, I think he's trying to pass off as what you are saying. I'm thinking over your plan LSB. Once again, we're talking about finding and exposing every single power role town has. In a normal game this is horrible, why is it good now? Well, the power roles are already exposed. We know where they are. (Hint, 2,4,6) One last thought (trying to keep my thoughts together so I'm not always quadruple posting), we can actually use the cpr doc as a doctor on the night that I use my ability. This would be a way to confirm several of our blues while killing a lot less people. Dunno if this will work (Since your ability take place after everyone submits their actions I believe) maybe ask ace? | ||
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