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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 03 2010 23:58 GMT
#2561
On November 04 2010 08:56 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 08:55 Ace wrote:
Oh this just got very interesting

grats on defiler



thx
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 03 2010 23:59 GMT
#2562
On November 04 2010 08:57 Glasse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 08:56 infinitestory wrote:
On November 04 2010 08:56 Glasse wrote:
On November 04 2010 08:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
if any other detective found a mafia DON'T COME FORWARD UNTIL TOMORROW

we only have 1 lynch tonight. if a DT hasn't checked Pandain (i doubt it), it must be done tonight. time to analyse coagulations posts :D


can't we have 2? i think we should use those double lynch to our advantage and maybe take care of a suspect + a lurker?

we vote on double lynch, but it'll be used during the NEXT day cycle


oh is that how it works? then i guess we should vote yes so we can use everything we can :S

we can always not lynch a second person anyway right?

yes, i believe we can veto it the next day (that's how it worked in mafia XXXI iirc)

If we decide on a double lynch, can we vote to veto it during the next day cycle? If so, do we get that double lynch back?
Translator:3
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 03 2010 23:59 GMT
#2563
Original Message From Ace:
lol. Depending on who dies tonight, I think he might be the scummiest player in the game. I remember he said he could confirm himself, just like Dr.H did and so far he has never made mention of that fact again.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From bumatlarge:
hope he gets a vig to the face. Otherwise he just a player causing arguments that lead no where and distract town from the vibrant display of information we have. Aeres first though.
-----------------------------------------
Original Message From Ace:
What do you think of Pandain?


Read from top up; After browsing through the last 20-30 pages, I find Pandain to be the most scummy right now. His last 2 notable posts are:
1.
We need medics to protect dxcvii, he's the only person who we really KNOW is going to get hit. If anyone's in a town circle with medics, make sure to coordinate them so at least one person(prefferably one) is protecting him.

I find it quite scummy how he is trying to give directions to the blue roles, while also trying to have the medics mass save this one person. He tries to cover this up by telling PM circles to coordinate, but he knows full well that several PM circles (fishball and bumatlarge for now) have gone to hell.

2. He made an enormous post about how Dr.H is oh so terrible and scummy (on page 109), but it seems apparent to me that Dr.H has already roleclaimed and proven (sorta, not 100% sure) that he is what he is. Also, Pandain has no evidence of being pro-town besides his extreme insistence of lynching the mayor.
3. He parrotted divinek (mafia) ---- Basically quoted from Dr.H

Basically, I think Pandain is mafia because of his insistence on assaulting Dr.H, but lacks comprehensive evidence that he is pro-town.
Pandain mentioned that he would have enough evidence to come forth on day 2 or day 3. Isn't that a blatantly obvious stall for time? If he is DT or ANYTHING he should be able to prove himself HERE and NOW, rather than need several days to compile evidence of his non-guilt. He basically took all the arguments about undefined role against him, and "postponed" them so that he could instead hound Dr.H on what HIS role is.

I'd prefer if someone proved me wrong, but this is what I managed to conclude after reading for like 20-30 minutes of the forum.

I may add more later.
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
November 03 2010 23:59 GMT
#2564
On November 04 2010 08:55 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 08:52 L wrote:
Seems far more likely that DC was CC than he was protted. Check his posts regarding being saved; he played it as if protting him was a violently bad move, which makes no logical sense.

Maybe a doc protted him anyways, but he's pretty certain to be CC. Dunno why the mods would give CC to mafia either, so he's probably blue as well.

oh wait
if DC is a CC as well, that actually makes a ton of sense
1) he told us not to prot him
2) someone left town, as the day post suggests. that someone is definitely not Aeres this time. perhaps of note is that someone else tried to break into the town-leaver's house.


I've said that twice already.

Is anyone reading my posts? :D
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 04 2010 00:00 GMT
#2565
I say we double lynch coag and pandain.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
November 04 2010 00:01 GMT
#2566
On November 04 2010 08:59 infinitestory wrote:
If we decide on a double lynch, can we vote to veto it during the next day cycle? If so, do we get that double lynch back?

If the double lynch reaches a majority vote, it can not be undone.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 04 2010 00:01 GMT
#2567
kill coag tonight, kill pandain tomorrow and someone else. I'm gonna say Meapak but i'm not done reading coags terrible terrible posts yet
RIP Aaliyah
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 04 2010 00:02 GMT
#2568
On November 04 2010 09:00 KtheZ wrote:
I say we double lynch coag and pandain.

if we vote on double lynch today, we lynch two people during the next day cycle, not this one
that's my understanding
Translator:3
Glasse
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1237 Posts
November 04 2010 00:02 GMT
#2569
On November 04 2010 09:00 KtheZ wrote:
I say we double lynch coag and pandain.


I say you are a lurker that came out of nowhere and should explain yourself? Not that I disagree, but i'm curious. I know why on coag, but i have not been paying much attention to pandain for a lot of pages
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
November 04 2010 00:02 GMT
#2570
On November 04 2010 09:02 Glasse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 09:00 KtheZ wrote:
I say we double lynch coag and pandain.


I say you are a lurker that came out of nowhere and should explain yourself? Not that I disagree, but i'm curious. I know why on coag, but i have not been paying much attention to pandain for a lot of pages

kthez made a large post about two posts above the one you quoted
Translator:3
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
November 04 2010 00:03 GMT
#2571
wow... DrH change vote so fast @_@
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 04 2010 00:03 GMT
#2572
@KtheZ: yes

I remember in Day 1, Dr.H claimed to be able to prove his role. Pandain also said he could too, then later mentioned to give him some time to do it iirc.

So far, Pandain has not come out with any information to prove his role is pro-town. Also to add, he heavily called Dr.H a liar.

I pointed out many times Dr.H is not a liar because it wasn't conclusive enough to say what happened Night 1. Whereas with Aeres it was a blatant lie. However, Pandain kept pushing that point without thinking about the situation - pretty much excessive focusing on Dr.H

So if Pandain was really pro-town - why hasn't he come out with his role claim yet? Either he screwed up proving it Night1, couldn't prove it Night 1, or can't.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 04 2010 00:04 GMT
#2573
Well I just made a post on why pandain, but please, ask me questions rather than tell me to explain myself; I dont really know what "explaining myself" involves saying.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 04 2010 00:06 GMT
#2574
On November 04 2010 09:02 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 09:00 KtheZ wrote:
I say we double lynch coag and pandain.

if we vote on double lynch today, we lynch two people during the next day cycle, not this one
that's my understanding


Oh for realz? FML

Pandain tomorrow then!
Glasse
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1237 Posts
November 04 2010 00:06 GMT
#2575
On November 04 2010 09:02 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 09:02 Glasse wrote:
On November 04 2010 09:00 KtheZ wrote:
I say we double lynch coag and pandain.


I say you are a lurker that came out of nowhere and should explain yourself? Not that I disagree, but i'm curious. I know why on coag, but i have not been paying much attention to pandain for a lot of pages

kthez made a large post about two posts above the one you quoted


how the fuck did i manage to miss that?
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
November 04 2010 00:07 GMT
#2576
On November 04 2010 08:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
LunarDestiny implied I poked him before I told everyone I poked him

he still needs to confirm it but I'm pretty sure it went through this time.

Confirm, short message too. Something like I was poked by DrH.

Also, it seems that Node's ability is not actually foreseeing a person's death but somehow knowing where a mafia hit going to go at the start of the day. Given that there is two deaths and mafia's kill power is 2+1, that "+1" should be the hit that Node is "foreseeing."
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
November 04 2010 00:07 GMT
#2577
Went through coag's posts.

There's 2 main overt things he does:

1) He pushes pandain for mayor the entire time
2) He shits on youngmiini

Pandain's pretty much our best target for tomorrow.

Some less overt stances:

1)Seems undecided on DocH. Starts by being rather deferential, then moves to a "not so sure about you" position.
2)His posts are TINY. He feigns activity without producing very much.

Given my prior assessment it seems like I was right. Most mafia are just trying to keep under the radar.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
November 04 2010 00:08 GMT
#2578
Can we have a 100% straight-forward confirmation from Lunar that he got the PM of being poked?

Though this doesn't really clear either of them. They can both be mafia and just making stuff up. My guess.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
November 04 2010 00:09 GMT
#2579
On November 04 2010 09:08 CubEdIn wrote:
Can we have a 100% straight-forward confirmation from Lunar that he got the PM of being poked?

Though this doesn't really clear either of them. They can both be mafia and just making stuff up. My guess.


he just did it.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 04 2010 00:09 GMT
#2580
On October 30 2010 00:26 Coagulation wrote:
We need someone who is good at mafia but terrible at manipulation.

pandain is probably the best candidate under these parameters. he is an extremely organized and tactical scum hunter his analyses skills are good and he has a good level head about what needs to be done.

i have also noticed that he is a terrible lier and his posting style makes his motives extremely transparent. this would make it much easier for us to spot a slip up if he is mafia. and greatly increases the chances that he would fail at getting away with scum moves if it turns out he is a red.



immediate support for pandain. doesn't trust bum/fishball/me who have roles that could hugely benefit town. basically says "I'm voting for pandain because hes bad at mafia"

On October 30 2010 08:07 Coagulation wrote:
Because hes not trying really really super hard to be mayor i figure hes just a good honest townie offering to take the spot and do his best.

you guys are gonna start tearing each other to shreds over the role makes me think you got something else going on.


bad defense of pandain

On October 30 2010 08:07 Coagulation wrote:
Because hes not trying really really super hard to be mayor i figure hes just a good honest townie offering to take the spot and do his best.

you guys are gonna start tearing each other to shreds over the role makes me think you got something else going on.


disassociates himself from the argument between me and pandain even though most of coag's posts are posts attacking me lol

On October 30 2010 14:20 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 14:05 kingjames01 wrote:
On October 30 2010 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 30 2010 13:55 kingjames01 wrote:
On October 30 2010 13:51 infinitestory wrote:
Just thought of another way DrH might fake the role:

Suppose his claim about the poking is correct, including that the poked knows DrH did the poking. But say DrH were a mafia and the 1 person infected with Murrayitis. This "poke" could be the method by which he transfers Murrayitis... and the person poked would still confirm that DrH poked him, thus establishing credibility. The plague doctors would immunize the people DrH tells them to, possibly including any reds that end up infected.

This possibility has me extremely paranoid if only because it gives the reds such a gigantic advantage. The only ways I can think of to beat this scenario are very WIFOM.


DAMN. That's so true. I was so excited to figure out the connection that I forgot to stay suspicious. IF Bill Murry died while using Sticky, then it's VERY LIKELY that Sticky is infected with Murrayitis. If Sticky pokes someone that would pass it on... Then DrH pretends to be notified.


You're speculating on mod logic based on the storyline of a past game

pretty far out there if you ask me. this is getting way too meta.


I disagree. Your role is "Sticky". You admitted that yourself. It cannot be denied that the theme of the game revolves around Bill Murray. My logic isn't based on the storyline of a past game. It's based on finding connections around the theme:

- Bill Murray died in Haunted Mafia giving rise to Murrayitis
- Bill Murray died in Mafia XXXI holding a sticky named Sticky
- There is an actual role called "Sticky"
- Sticky's ability involves poking people

On October 29 2010 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Day 1

Rise and Shine! It is now Day 1! And no one is infected by Murrayitis... Yet.


If no one has Murrayitis yet, then no PERSON has Murrayitis yet. However, a Sticky might. That Sticky is you.

the plot thickens.

however i cant help but notice that he revealed his role honestly ( as far as we know it was pretty much confirmed by the fact that we found a logical link to it in another game that fits perfectly?)
then there is still the chance hes mafia sticky.
but I cant see a scum willingly giving up this kind of info like that.

I hate the way drH plays but his story is starting to come together. i still worry that he is too fucking good at this game to chance him possibly gaining such an advantage as a red.




after attacking me a lot he backs off very softly here saying my story is probably legit.

On October 31 2010 14:10 Coagulation wrote:
Dodging a lynch sounds alot like a scum role.. anyone else think so?


pushing suspicion onto YM for no real reason. Makes me heavily doubt youngminii is mafia. No reason to do this if coag and ym are both mafia

On October 31 2010 19:08 Coagulation wrote:
OK i have caught up on reading

1. DOCH naturally I still cant trust you 100% until I can see some of your claims of verifying yourself come to light. I really hope your not a red otherwise we may as well just bend over and let you get to fucking.

2. you have a moron for a bodyguard

3. Node is asking for invites to the circle? i would think twice before letting people who request in. looks like 1 red was already in the circle. he dies and now Node starts asking to get in?(could be mafia trying to get a man back inside)
looks bad but not gonna dwell on it too much yet..

4. pandain I dunno what the hell you are talking about. Im not gonna keep my mouth shut if someone looks scummy just because they are not around to defend themselves.



soft attack on node, makes me think node is blue as well

On November 01 2010 06:32 Coagulation wrote:
dt needs to investigate pandain for sure considering he was running for mayor.

also the other people who wanted elected mayor
bumatlarge
fishball
annul
ghrur
glasse
node

also worth keeping an eye on node who is asking for people to invite him into circle.



asks DT to investigate pandain. since I think they are scumbuddies this seems like a bad play. Unless Pandain is godfather in which case it makes 100% sense.

On November 01 2010 13:02 Coagulation wrote:
mods mistakenly confirmed pandain as town?



ouch! my advice to you is next time you're mafia just go inactive instead of outing all your friends

On November 01 2010 13:55 Coagulation wrote:
its pretty clear to me that pandain is just butthurt that doch won the mayor candidacy instead of him and now hes taking his frustration out on him for beating him at the mayor race and not coming thru with what he promised in the process.

as much as i dont trust doch at the moment unfortunately there is not much we can do. no amount of arguing is gonna make him say "oh damn your right im a red you got me" so its pointless.


constant unending defense of pandain

On November 01 2010 14:00 Coagulation wrote:
why the fuck would a red attack a red.
i think your red drh

see?


almost all of his posts are terrible and unthought out attacks on me combined with soft defenses on pandain

On November 01 2010 20:18 Coagulation wrote:
regarding drh situation.

1. doch is a red and hes been playing us the whole time and now has town by the balls.

2. doch is a blue and due to his terrible misleading promises and false claims of being able to confirm his role/alignment he has basically handed the mafia the ability to have a fucking field day on the town causing panic and distrust to cloud everyones views. mafia has town by the balls.

can you see maybe why im a little mad at the situation doch?


regarding aeres

he made a shitty move and it looks extremely scummy whether hes a red or just an inexperienced player that made a mistake i have no idea. so far the best anyone has to go on and everyone seems ok with that. maybe a little too ok. keep an eye on it.

regarding youngminii

this was doch number 1 suspect 75% of the game so much that he had made him his first lynch as mayor. right out the gate doch is gunning to take him out. then what happens? youngminii dodges the lynch ? now for some reason doch isnt even thinking twice about youngminii? did i miss something? Was he pardoned or something? Im wondering what your stance is on youngmainii currently, doch?. the way hes jumping all over aeres with lynch first ask questions later looks scummy.


he attacked YM pretty early, before the aeres situation, and now they are doing it again. if YM is a role that starts as mafia and becomes town after being lynched there would be a huge incentive to get him lynched.

but I doubt YM is mafia on this note.

On November 02 2010 13:05 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 13:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:47 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:09 Pandain wrote:
oh wtf, im almost at 2000?
screw the part1/2/3/4/5 crud. I'm a do a full blown analysis.

Don't expect me to post for a while :p


I won't lie to you, I probably won't even bother reading it. I already know what it will say.


On November 02 2010 12:14 infinitestory wrote:
On November 02 2010 12:10 L wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:44 infinitestory wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:40 L wrote:
On November 02 2010 11:18 NB wrote:
hmm, i wana have you guys opinion on this: so Node said DCLXVI will die tonight!
we also lost our 1 and only bodyguard!

who should the medic protect night2? mayor or DCLXVI assuming we only have 1 medic?....

Uh, so, that's... a town mediated hit?

Mafia doesn't send in their hits during the day unless they have a dayvig, and if they had a Dayvig, they could just shoot just prior to the vote close to fuck over Node/Medic reactions. So Node's probably not detecting dayvigs.

Did I miss something day 1? I'm pretty sure I did.

At the very end of Night 1, Node claimed that he knew BrownBear was going to die. He then claimed that his role was "oracle," which allowed him to see at the beginning of each day one player who's slated to die that night. DCLXVI is, according to Node, slated to die tonight. Possible connections between Node's role and the +1 part of mafia's 2+1 KP have been brought up. One suggestion in particular says that there's a red with the role of killing one guy randomly each night, and Node gets to find out who that is at the start of the day. The possibility of Node being a red baiting medics has also been brought up.

The +1 makes sense, but that means that mafia would have had to..

hmm.

Node, when did you recieve the two PMs notifying you who's going to die?

Like I said, he claims it's at the beginning of the day each day. He also claims that he received QuickStriker's name at the beginning of Day 1, but QuickStriker was modkilled at the end of Day 1, so he then received BrownBear's name.


I have known this for quite a while, but it just got me thinking:
What do you think the odds are that the mods would change the "oracled" target if that target was modkilled? Idk, it just seems to me that if the player was modkilled, well that's tough shit for the oracle, his power is wasted for the day. Thinking about this, Node actually does seem pretty fishy.

Eye of Suspicion


That's just speculation. Node seems to think there is a predetermined list and that if a player os modkilled a new target is chosen. Or there is a mafia killing role that must decide on a kill ahead of time

(Decide 1 kill in the day + 2 kills at night) and node is aware of the day choice

there are many possibilities here, I don't think we can draw any serious conclusions from. obviously due to the gravity of his roleclaim his posting can not be ignored.


Haha fair enough. I just wanted to put Eye of Suspicion on someone...

I was gonna on Lexpar, but he posted and placated me. It scares me that we haven't heard from Divinek...



so your basically saying that your just trying to accuse people for the sake of accusing people?
really?
thats as anti town as it gets.


well that didn't turn out true now did it? seems my initial instinct that jcarls was town was right

On November 02 2010 21:34 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 21:30 Glasse wrote:
Why would a red be able to post a small message on the day post?


Was that a slip? or more bullshit?


starts attacking glasse, this makes me more sure glasse is pro-town

On November 03 2010 09:04 Coagulation wrote:
i think if anyone is painted red by the aeres lynch its youngminii he was the very first to throw around "LAL" and "lynch first ask questions later" with zero reasoning.

unless something significant happens overnight im gonna be watching youngminni closely.


more attack on YM

he didn't seem to defend anyone but pandain. both should be lynched. someone else should comb his posts and see what they find

if anyone still thinks im mafia, slap yourself









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