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On February 20 2010 10:56 Nikoner wrote:Wow, can't believe both Phrujbaz and Midori were mafia -.-;; Show nested quote +On February 20 2010 10:31 L wrote: On that note, I just went and updated foolishnesses old post with the new information we have because of the fact that uh... its a secret.
Time-----------------Action--------------------------------------------------Results 5:57-------------------------------------------------------------------L - 8 votes; redtooth - 5 votes; Ver - 4 votes 5:57------citi.zen changes from abstain to redtooth--L - 8 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 4 votes 6:32---------L changes from abstain to Chezinu--------L - 8 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 4 votes 6:41------------decaf changes from Ace to redtooth----L - 8 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 4 votes 6:42-------BM changes from abstain to Chezinu-------L - 8 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 4 votes 7:27-----------------sidesprang votes for L-------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 4 votes 7:28---------d3 changes from redtooth to Chezinu-----L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 4 votes 7:54-----------infundibulum votes for Ver--------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 5 votes 7:55---------Nikoner changes from abstain to Ver------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:10----------------Zona abstains--------------------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:45-----------------redtooth claims medic--------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:46------------Ace changes from redtooth to L-----------L - 10 votes; redtooth - 5 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:49-----------------meeple votes for redtooth---------------L - 10 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:52---------------tredmasta changes to Ver----------------L - 10 votes; redtooth - 6 votes; Ver - 7 votes 8:53------------d3 changes from Chezinu to redtooth---L - 10 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 7 votes 8:55------------Nikoner changes from Ver to abstain----L - 10 votes; redtooth - 7 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:55---------- Ace changes from L to redtooth--------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 8 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:57---------- Empyrean votes for redtooth-------------------L - 9 votes; redtooth - 9 votes; Ver - 6 votes 8:58----------BM changes from Chezinu to redtooth-----L - 9 votes; redtooth - 10 votes; Ver - 6 votes
updated.
Nikoner stands out even more now; with so much green, and now a confirmed red voting for ver, why would he throw down the deciding vote after having voted for ver only an hour before? He also voted within a minute of a known red. His profile has graffitti.
Which brings me to another point; It seems the herrings that are listed in the clues are valid clues, but they aren't linked to the particular killer. We may have been very, very wrong about how we assumed bombs would be declared, as well as how double hits would be declared in the clueset.
We just lost 2 hatters. That's 4 bombs. There should be TEN people dead. We're missing 3. The clues dont' account for 3 overlapping hits.
This is pretty bad news.
I wasn't hopping on that particular bandwagon. Might wanna ask Tredmasta a thing or two as well. Also, the Show nested quote +Shikyo did not move a muscle as a dull fork flew toward his face and plunged into his left temple. However, the killer was shocked to see two bombs explode in the field nearby, and warily began to sneak away from the crime scene as the debris crunched below his feet. When he was but fifty yards away, he heard a large tree fall overhead, smashing the Shikyo’s shack to pieces and turning Shikyo to pulp. accounts for exactly 3 missing kills - two bombs exploding in a field and presumably doing nothing, since the other bomb hits were depicted in a way that rules them out from happening in a field, and it hints at Shikyo taking two hits, one with a dull fork and the other one with someone cutting the tree so it'd wreck his shack.
Not exactly; the bombs that explode could have been those which are mentioned later. More importantly, it seems there was a small error in the clue writing, so frankly I have no fucking idea what I can trust at this point.
If you're right about the double hit, though, which I'm not entirely sold on, then tree.hugger seems to be very implicated as his picture is someone standing on a tree stump and his name is related as well.
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On February 20 2010 11:15 Nikoner wrote:Show nested quote +Pleased to see two Gambinos gone for good, DoctorHelvetica sensed that things would naturally come to good order. Unfortunately for him, however, his peaceful thoughts were interrupted as a bomb exploded under the foundation of his house, which came crashing down on top of him. Those are three bombs right here. Bill Murray's death was somewhat unclear, I admit, so maybe he had two bombs on him, but after reading the examples above, I'm not entirely certain.
If helvetica was bombed and shikyo didn't bother placing any of his bombs, one of the hits is still missing; potentially one is tied up with shikyo
I don't understand why Ver thinks the hit is on Helvetica when it seems like Shikyo has two hits on him.
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On February 20 2010 11:32 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2010 11:30 L wrote:On February 20 2010 11:15 Nikoner wrote:the killer was shocked to see two bombs explode in the field nearby Pleased to see two Gambinos gone for good, DoctorHelvetica sensed that things would naturally come to good order. Unfortunately for him, however, his peaceful thoughts were interrupted as a bomb exploded under the foundation of his house, which came crashing down on top of him. Those are three bombs right here. Bill Murray's death was somewhat unclear, I admit, so maybe he had two bombs on him, but after reading the examples above, I'm not entirely certain. If helvetica was bombed and shikyo didn't bother placing any of his bombs, one of the hits is still missing; potentially one is tied up with shikyo I don't understand why Ver thinks the hit is on Helvetica when it seems like Shikyo has two hits on him. Bill Murray was bombed no?
Helvetica and Murray seem to have been bombed. Helvetica has pretty much no clues attached to him.
There are 5 kills besides those 2 with 6 mafia kp. There is a hit missing. Someone got hit twice or someone protted something.
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Dunno why we're not killing scamp when everyone agrees he's the first clue. He's also pulling a scamp classing "shut the fuck up and win by doing nothing" mafia play.
More importantly: If no one can find something else for the stain killer, we're going to have to kill redtooth.
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I still don't see why anyone but scamp is being targetted. He's by far the best clue match, he's playing behaviorally identical to EVERY GAME THAT HE'S BEEN MAFIA and he's not even bothering to try and defend himself.
Frankly everyone who's pushing votes onto tree hugger when he's got far weaker clues and less behavioral tells is either listening to Ver blindly or trying to swing conversation in a way so that scamp is ignored and gets off the hook for today. Not going to work, sorry.
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On February 21 2010 05:33 Iaaan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2010 10:17 Caller wrote: So here are the mayoral candidates:
BloodyC0bbler dead townie citi.zen l10f meeple dead townie Ver Ace dead townie redtooth Bill Murray dead townie DoctorHelvetica dead sumiyoshi
So now we're down to citi.zen, l10f, Ver, and redtooth. I'm betting at least one of these guys is scummy. I doubt it's Ver, redtooth's been afk, citi.zen's still been contributing, and l10f has been afk. meh
I would contribute more but watching people play SC2 is just too big of a priority right now -_-
maybe more thinking later interesting how you left L out, and L fails to correct you. I think we established that pardoner would be the role the mafia would want. How suspicious o: Also, I voted for decafchicken because he is acting the exact same way he did the last game I played with him when he was mafia. I don't think hes the best person to vote for, I think that Scamp probably is. I will change my vote to scamp if things get close towards the end. This is actually not the first time someone does something like that in this game and leaves me off a list.
A few people seem to be trying to take shots at me from the dark like that.
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On February 21 2010 06:07 Fishball wrote:And now this happens. How oh so convenient. I'm pretty sure he's mafia too, but I haven't played with him before and have no idea what tells he might have.
Scamp, on the other hand, has a huge mafia tell; He doesn't post shit. He isn't posting shit. And if he does post shit in response to this, its a bit too late. I've called out scamp while he was mafia in like 4 games including this one, including one in which he was a suicide bomber and bombed me. Maybe its a personal thing, but I don't want to see him suvive the night.
In other news; Can't we double lynch or something?
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On February 21 2010 06:22 Versatile wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2010 02:24 Foolishness wrote:On February 20 2010 15:50 tree.hugger wrote:My activity is pretty easily explained, I'm currently in a production of Marat/Sade which is now in tech week. I have barely enough time to read this thread, let alone do the wonderful clue and behavioral analysis that this game has shown so far. Doesn't mean I'm not happy to see such a bountiful harvest of red, due to the diligent labor this thread has produced. NOBODY CARESThe very least you could do is to try to defend yourself here. Ver has posted ample evidence indicating how suspicious you are based on your behavior, and your retaliation is "oh sorry i'm so inactive waa waa". Guess what? NOBODY CARES! You have yet to deny any claim that you are mafia. Considering Ver has the inside scoop on the town it's much more sensible we listen to him at this point. I was hoping that somewhat else would be observant enough, but since everyone playing seems to have the attention span of a four year old: a bodyguard is dead!. What does this mean? One of the mafia substituted a member in. This could mean a variety of things we must look out for. We don't know which family substituted the member in, and it's very possible that even more of the bodyguards are mafia. I'm glad someone else saw this!! The rules say the Mayor can substitute their family members for BGs, and if you look @ the first post, there are 3/4 of BGs left, but no blues are marked as BGs. any answer for this, redtooth? also, my top suspect for now is L. in the beginning, he was trying to attribute clues to ace and Dr. H was backing him up on this; lo and behold, ace is green and Dr. H is red. Uh, actually, the rules don't say that. they say that either family before the first day ends can select people to put in as bodyguards.
Each mafia family has the option, by the time of the Mayor election, to substitute up to two of their members for Bodyguards.
As far as the Ace thing; 1) Look how the thing started; Someone basically took one of my remarks and upped the ante. 2) Ver wanted me to push Ace. 3) I wanted to get a read on redtooth, who's been afk for like a year and now has a clue stuck to him. I also thought nemY and Empyrean were mafia.
So if someone can;
Someone find someone who attaches to the stain killer. The only people I can see being fingered by the clue are redtooth (which is is horrendous bad) via ketchup stain, or meeple because he basically has what I'd imagine would be the end result of the stain spreading.
Frankly, i'm not 100% sure on either, but no one's even bothering to talk about it which is a good indicator that mafia are going to try and use the low activity in the thread to just ignore threats to them.
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In other news; we need more people to post :/
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On February 21 2010 06:43 Fishball wrote: If I were to take a stab at the 3 primary suspects right now (tree.hugger, johnnyspazz, Scamp), this is how I would see it.
0% for least convincing, 100% for very convincing
tree.hugger (0%? Clues, 70% Behavioral) johnnyspazz (90% Clues, 80% Behavioral) Scamp (60% Clues, 40% Behavioral) Maybe 90% Behavioral for L
Scamp's clues are very, very well done and he's like 95% behavioral for me. Seriously, go look at any game he's been in.
Tree.hugger does have clues against him, but they're like 40% or so. There's references to tree branchs during phrubaz's killing and there's the cut tree (stump in his profile) in the fork killer, but I'm not entirely sure that these things can be attributed to him because they're also related to ohN.
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Oh, and that reminds me.
We need to vote for a double lynch today to get one tomorrow, so VOTE FOR DOUBLE LYNCH. we have a surplus of suspects and a dearth of town killing power.
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On February 21 2010 07:03 Versatile wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2010 06:32 L wrote:On February 21 2010 06:22 Versatile wrote:On February 21 2010 02:24 Foolishness wrote:On February 20 2010 15:50 tree.hugger wrote:My activity is pretty easily explained, I'm currently in a production of Marat/Sade which is now in tech week. I have barely enough time to read this thread, let alone do the wonderful clue and behavioral analysis that this game has shown so far. Doesn't mean I'm not happy to see such a bountiful harvest of red, due to the diligent labor this thread has produced. NOBODY CARESThe very least you could do is to try to defend yourself here. Ver has posted ample evidence indicating how suspicious you are based on your behavior, and your retaliation is "oh sorry i'm so inactive waa waa". Guess what? NOBODY CARES! You have yet to deny any claim that you are mafia. Considering Ver has the inside scoop on the town it's much more sensible we listen to him at this point. I was hoping that somewhat else would be observant enough, but since everyone playing seems to have the attention span of a four year old: a bodyguard is dead!. What does this mean? One of the mafia substituted a member in. This could mean a variety of things we must look out for. We don't know which family substituted the member in, and it's very possible that even more of the bodyguards are mafia. I'm glad someone else saw this!! The rules say the Mayor can substitute their family members for BGs, and if you look @ the first post, there are 3/4 of BGs left, but no blues are marked as BGs. any answer for this, redtooth? also, my top suspect for now is L. in the beginning, he was trying to attribute clues to ace and Dr. H was backing him up on this; lo and behold, ace is green and Dr. H is red. Uh, actually, the rules don't say that. they say that either family before the first day ends can select people to put in as bodyguards. Each mafia family has the option, by the time of the Mayor election, to substitute up to two of their members for Bodyguards. As far as the Ace thing; 1) Look how the thing started; Someone basically took one of my remarks and upped the ante. 2) Ver wanted me to push Ace. 3) I wanted to get a read on redtooth, who's been afk for like a year and now has a clue stuck to him. I also thought nemY and Empyrean were mafia. So if someone can; Someone find someone who attaches to the stain killer. The only people I can see being fingered by the clue are redtooth (which is is horrendous bad) via ketchup stain, or meeple because he basically has what I'd imagine would be the end result of the stain spreading. Frankly, i'm not 100% sure on either, but no one's even bothering to talk about it which is a good indicator that mafia are going to try and use the low activity in the thread to just ignore threats to them. i thought you were a supposedly good player? why would you do something someone else (Ver) told you to, so early in the game, not knowing of he is mafia or innocent, when the blame would clearly come back to you? just as it has now. how the hell does that make sense? I thought Ace was mafia too, and if he wasn't I sure as fuck wanted to know how redtooth would have reacted to it given his chummy disposition towards Ace. I was kinda hoping to use the mayoral lynch on Ace while Redtooth would be pardoner while saying I wanted to kill emp in the thread to see how redtooth would react.
Also, blindly trust ver? Me? Are you joking? Go read the thread instead of saying afk until day 3 before jumping in with accusations.
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On February 21 2010 07:18 madnessman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2010 10:17 Caller wrote: So here are the mayoral candidates:
BloodyC0bbler dead townie citi.zen l10f meeple dead townie Ver Ace dead townie redtooth Bill Murray dead townie DoctorHelvetica dead sumiyoshi
So now we're down to citi.zen, l10f, Ver, and redtooth. I'm betting at least one of these guys is scummy. I doubt it's Ver, redtooth's been afk, citi.zen's still been contributing, and l10f has been afk. meh
I would contribute more but watching people play SC2 is just too big of a priority right now -_-
maybe more thinking later Wtf?? Did I miss something? When did meeple die lol He didn't.
Caller made a really bad list.
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On February 21 2010 08:38 Scamp wrote: I don't really have a defense for my activity other than SC2 beta, so I can certainly agree with L's case regarding my behavior. I have sent out more PMs than usual this game, but obviously most people can't see that.
However, I would certainly like to point out that the clue analysis toward me has been flimsy at best, and the only thing pointing toward me that sticks is the presence of sewage. Nothing is indicating anything being blocked as far as I can tell, and whoever mentioned a cat knocking something over is also ignoring the grunting and panting sounds.
L, stick on me if you want, but you were elected on the basis of actively hunting out the truth. The reason I voted for you is so you could do just that. So please don't just tunnel on me, there's got to be other candidates you heavily suspect especially if you're going for a double lynch next time. I'm not, but given the amount of people who straight wagoned tree.hugger, and given the fact that I'm not 100% certain of my clues on him.
I can fit ohn, treehugger, vivi AND quickstriker to that same clue, and none of them fit perfectly depending on what you pick as the herrings in that clue.
That said, given our pechant for having a billion abstains, tree.hugger will probably die anyways.
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On February 21 2010 09:01 redtooth wrote: ok L is pushing for my death but i'm no good at clue analysis so i can't really find an alternative for the stain clue. but i can offer my somewhat overused WIFOM defense and must say that i am sort of sick of people demanding my head. besides, your clue analysis for me was sort of weak this time.
if you look through the thread i wanted both mystlord and DrH dead. i know these aren't the best defenses but i'm still thinking through the events that have happened. if i'm mafia you guys are screwed anyways because i'm so gosu.
time for some important information. get your pens ready becaaaause: SugiuraMidori was one of the bodyguards. I'm still trying to think through the reasoning for that but I assume it's to get into a town circle. On that note, the Gambinos are retarded and are trying to kill town. do that later idiots, go kill the other family before they kill you.
i do agree that we should get a double lynch going tomorrow. and unless there is some ridiculous coincidence involving inactivity and a vet or medic, Ver is logically cleared to be vet. you guys are safe with him as far i can tell. if you have any questions or possible scenarios where ver isn't blue then by all means PM me an we can think it through.
also, the scamp lynch is bullshit. he shuts up regardless of his color. treehugger is broadcasting 10000x more tells than scamp. if i have time i'll get you more analysis on his posts. but tonight we can hope mafia goes and kills scamp/johnnyspazz and doesn't pull another night 1. treehugger you are scum. go to sleep.
on a side note, i'll be on now but my activity won't be nearly as high as before. the weekend and first part of this week is going to be busy.
So, uh, how do you know that its the gambinos hitting the town?
Please be detailed and make it quick.
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On February 21 2010 09:06 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2010 09:04 L wrote:On February 21 2010 09:01 redtooth wrote: ok L is pushing for my death but i'm no good at clue analysis so i can't really find an alternative for the stain clue. but i can offer my somewhat overused WIFOM defense and must say that i am sort of sick of people demanding my head. besides, your clue analysis for me was sort of weak this time.
if you look through the thread i wanted both mystlord and DrH dead. i know these aren't the best defenses but i'm still thinking through the events that have happened. if i'm mafia you guys are screwed anyways because i'm so gosu.
time for some important information. get your pens ready becaaaause: SugiuraMidori was one of the bodyguards. I'm still trying to think through the reasoning for that but I assume it's to get into a town circle. On that note, the Gambinos are retarded and are trying to kill town. do that later idiots, go kill the other family before they kill you.
i do agree that we should get a double lynch going tomorrow. and unless there is some ridiculous coincidence involving inactivity and a vet or medic, Ver is logically cleared to be vet. you guys are safe with him as far i can tell. if you have any questions or possible scenarios where ver isn't blue then by all means PM me an we can think it through.
also, the scamp lynch is bullshit. he shuts up regardless of his color. treehugger is broadcasting 10000x more tells than scamp. if i have time i'll get you more analysis on his posts. but tonight we can hope mafia goes and kills scamp/johnnyspazz and doesn't pull another night 1. treehugger you are scum. go to sleep.
on a side note, i'll be on now but my activity won't be nearly as high as before. the weekend and first part of this week is going to be busy. So, uh, how do you know that its the gambinos hitting the town? Please be detailed and make it quick. well they wanted to be in the town circle. they gave GF to SM, who's only known to post lists, and put him in BG position. i would assume the only reason why is to get a list of blues and knock them out. and yes i was intentionally being provocative in my last post. That's the wrong answer.
You just admitted to being mafia. Thanks.
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K, so, redtooth essentially has decided to take his campaign to pms. I'm not sure why, but that indicates that he's pretty fucking confident the town won't kill him. Why? Because he's got a train of mafia to vote against anything he does and he has 3 votes himself.
I initially wanted to put the ketchup clue out there just to see how redtooth would react, and he essentially handed himself to us on a silver platter.
Lynch Redtooth.
If he flips blue, feel free to kill me tomorrow. This isn't day 1. Time to go in with balls.
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On February 21 2010 09:28 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2010 09:26 L wrote: K, so, redtooth essentially has decided to take his campaign to pms. I'm not sure why, but that indicates that he's pretty fucking confident the town won't kill him. Why? Because he's got a train of mafia to vote against anything he does and he has 3 votes himself.
I initially wanted to put the ketchup clue out there just to see how redtooth would react, and he essentially handed himself to us on a silver platter.
Lynch Redtooth.
If he flips blue, feel free to kill me tomorrow. This isn't day 1. Time to go in with balls. DON"T KILL MY MEDIC!!! Two can still win with two mafia on each team! If Ver isn't mafia, he can easily place someone else on you in the case that redtooth is legit. He however, isn't, and in all likelihood, neither are you.
But I guess if that's the case, when you told me redtooth was your mafia contact you might have been lying. That said, why would you hide that until 30 minutes ago?
Man, this is what we get for not lynching all claimants for a few games :/.
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On February 21 2010 09:54 Iaaan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2010 09:07 L wrote:On February 21 2010 09:06 redtooth wrote:On February 21 2010 09:04 L wrote:On February 21 2010 09:01 redtooth wrote: ok L is pushing for my death but i'm no good at clue analysis so i can't really find an alternative for the stain clue. but i can offer my somewhat overused WIFOM defense and must say that i am sort of sick of people demanding my head. besides, your clue analysis for me was sort of weak this time.
if you look through the thread i wanted both mystlord and DrH dead. i know these aren't the best defenses but i'm still thinking through the events that have happened. if i'm mafia you guys are screwed anyways because i'm so gosu.
time for some important information. get your pens ready becaaaause: SugiuraMidori was one of the bodyguards. I'm still trying to think through the reasoning for that but I assume it's to get into a town circle. On that note, the Gambinos are retarded and are trying to kill town. do that later idiots, go kill the other family before they kill you.
i do agree that we should get a double lynch going tomorrow. and unless there is some ridiculous coincidence involving inactivity and a vet or medic, Ver is logically cleared to be vet. you guys are safe with him as far i can tell. if you have any questions or possible scenarios where ver isn't blue then by all means PM me an we can think it through.
also, the scamp lynch is bullshit. he shuts up regardless of his color. treehugger is broadcasting 10000x more tells than scamp. if i have time i'll get you more analysis on his posts. but tonight we can hope mafia goes and kills scamp/johnnyspazz and doesn't pull another night 1. treehugger you are scum. go to sleep.
on a side note, i'll be on now but my activity won't be nearly as high as before. the weekend and first part of this week is going to be busy. So, uh, how do you know that its the gambinos hitting the town? Please be detailed and make it quick. well they wanted to be in the town circle. they gave GF to SM, who's only known to post lists, and put him in BG position. i would assume the only reason why is to get a list of blues and knock them out. and yes i was intentionally being provocative in my last post. That's the wrong answer. You just admitted to being mafia. Thanks. I think I missed something, how does this prove redtooth is mafia? not that I don't suspect him, but I don't see how this proves he is mafia. Show nested quote +On February 21 2010 09:12 ShoCkeyy wrote: I certainly agree.
As for me posting; I've been moving and such so I can only come online when go to my girlfriends house. I really haven't been able to be active that much, but I'm still reading and doing my own clue analysis. But, damn, DrH? I seriously thought he would of been a blue :\ At least I was hoping he was. And what I see here is someone trying to take suspicion off of themselves. Because unless redtooth is mafia, he doesn't know which team has been hitting more town members apart from the 1 hit discrepancy. The manner in which he articulated his conviction basically flat out states that he knows something that he wouldn't know if he was a towns person.
Redtooth hasn't even bothered to try to defend himself; the bulk of his argument is that he believed sugi was part of some conspiracy to get into a town circle. Why would he taunt the mafia as town anyways? What's the purpose of this line?
I'm still trying to think through the reasoning for that but I assume it's to get into a town circle. On that note, the Gambinos are retarded and are trying to kill town. do that later idiots, go kill the other family before they kill you. Redtooth admits he hasn't thought the situation through, he he's posting from the hip, so to speak. So if he's posting from the hip, why wouldn't he address both mafia teams together and say something akin to: "why are you mafia guys hitting so many townspeople; go hit each other!"? Well, its pretty obvious, he's sumiyoshi and he's taking a jab at the other team because he knows which hits his team is responsible for, and he has a general idea about which hits the other team is responsible for (sans bombs, etc.).
Also; Chez was joking and trying to say that if redtooth was mafia that he'd have contacted him?
Doesn't seem like it here:
From: Chezinu [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: Clues Date: 2/21/10 09:09 Ding Ding
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Was it redtooth? Because he just admitted to being mafia.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Psh, me work with Ver? yeah right! My mystery mafia contact wasn't Ver.. keep trying!
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On February 21 2010 10:46 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2010 10:10 L wrote:On February 21 2010 09:54 Iaaan wrote:On February 21 2010 09:07 L wrote:On February 21 2010 09:06 redtooth wrote:On February 21 2010 09:04 L wrote:On February 21 2010 09:01 redtooth wrote: ok L is pushing for my death but i'm no good at clue analysis so i can't really find an alternative for the stain clue. but i can offer my somewhat overused WIFOM defense and must say that i am sort of sick of people demanding my head. besides, your clue analysis for me was sort of weak this time.
if you look through the thread i wanted both mystlord and DrH dead. i know these aren't the best defenses but i'm still thinking through the events that have happened. if i'm mafia you guys are screwed anyways because i'm so gosu.
time for some important information. get your pens ready becaaaause: SugiuraMidori was one of the bodyguards. I'm still trying to think through the reasoning for that but I assume it's to get into a town circle. On that note, the Gambinos are retarded and are trying to kill town. do that later idiots, go kill the other family before they kill you.
i do agree that we should get a double lynch going tomorrow. and unless there is some ridiculous coincidence involving inactivity and a vet or medic, Ver is logically cleared to be vet. you guys are safe with him as far i can tell. if you have any questions or possible scenarios where ver isn't blue then by all means PM me an we can think it through.
also, the scamp lynch is bullshit. he shuts up regardless of his color. treehugger is broadcasting 10000x more tells than scamp. if i have time i'll get you more analysis on his posts. but tonight we can hope mafia goes and kills scamp/johnnyspazz and doesn't pull another night 1. treehugger you are scum. go to sleep.
on a side note, i'll be on now but my activity won't be nearly as high as before. the weekend and first part of this week is going to be busy. So, uh, how do you know that its the gambinos hitting the town? Please be detailed and make it quick. well they wanted to be in the town circle. they gave GF to SM, who's only known to post lists, and put him in BG position. i would assume the only reason why is to get a list of blues and knock them out. and yes i was intentionally being provocative in my last post. That's the wrong answer. You just admitted to being mafia. Thanks. I think I missed something, how does this prove redtooth is mafia? not that I don't suspect him, but I don't see how this proves he is mafia. On February 21 2010 09:12 ShoCkeyy wrote: I certainly agree.
As for me posting; I've been moving and such so I can only come online when go to my girlfriends house. I really haven't been able to be active that much, but I'm still reading and doing my own clue analysis. But, damn, DrH? I seriously thought he would of been a blue :\ At least I was hoping he was. And what I see here is someone trying to take suspicion off of themselves. Because unless redtooth is mafia, he doesn't know which team has been hitting more town members apart from the 1 hit discrepancy. The manner in which he articulated his conviction basically flat out states that he knows something that he wouldn't know if he was a towns person. Redtooth hasn't even bothered to try to defend himself; the bulk of his argument is that he believed sugi was part of some conspiracy to get into a town circle. Why would he taunt the mafia as town anyways? What's the purpose of this line? I'm still trying to think through the reasoning for that but I assume it's to get into a town circle. On that note, the Gambinos are retarded and are trying to kill town. do that later idiots, go kill the other family before they kill you. Redtooth admits he hasn't thought the situation through, he he's posting from the hip, so to speak. So if he's posting from the hip, why wouldn't he address both mafia teams together and say something akin to: "why are you mafia guys hitting so many townspeople; go hit each other!"? Well, its pretty obvious, he's sumiyoshi and he's taking a jab at the other team because he knows which hits his team is responsible for, and he has a general idea about which hits the other team is responsible for (sans bombs, etc.). Also; Chez was joking and trying to say that if redtooth was mafia that he'd have contacted him? Doesn't seem like it here: From: Chezinu [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: Clues Date: 2/21/10 09:09 Ding Ding ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Was it redtooth? Because he just admitted to being mafia. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Psh, me work with Ver? yeah right! My mystery mafia contact wasn't Ver.. keep trying! Well... that PM is questionable, since I don't think we can take anything Chez says seriously. I do agree that redtooth seems to know things that he shouldn't. I wouldn't mind so much if he said that those were things he thought, instead of stating them as facts.
If you think he knows things he shouldn't, vote for him. The only place he'd get that information from is from either being mafia, or by someone who's mafia telling him which wouldn't happen.
This is 100% clearcut. People don't drop mafia team names by mistake.
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