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Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
January 16 2014 20:39 GMT
#2301
7 deaths for rekkestar
Writer:o
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
January 16 2014 20:39 GMT
#2302
i wish kev1in picked zac he would be 100x times more useful
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
January 16 2014 20:39 GMT
#2303
TIME FOR POLAK DOMINATION NOW
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Shiznick
Profile Joined December 2008
United States2200 Posts
January 16 2014 20:40 GMT
#2304
game was pretty rough for millenium compwise, renekton had like a 2nd item thornmail and was unkillable from there.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
January 16 2014 20:40 GMT
#2305
Idk I feel like people are just focusing on "this is different I don't like it" Tank Gragas is a pretty strong build, Kerp and Araneae were just completely ineffective late game.
Carrilord has arrived.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
January 16 2014 20:40 GMT
#2306
On January 17 2014 05:39 Doctorbeat wrote:
TIME FOR POLAK DOMINATION NOW

POLAND STRONK, RUSSIA IS OF WORST SLAV. REMOVE BORSCHT FROM PREMISES.
Glorious SEA doto
sataNik[pG]
Profile Joined July 2003
Greece722 Posts
January 16 2014 20:41 GMT
#2307
FKIN BENCH THIS SISSY KEVIN NEVER TANKING/ENGAGIN AND ALWAYS LATE AND AFRAID TO DIE AS TANK
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
January 16 2014 20:41 GMT
#2308
turns out you need some magic damage after 20 mins.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 16 2014 20:41 GMT
#2309
tank gragas means their entire team is countered by armor
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-16 20:44:30
January 16 2014 20:42 GMT
#2310
On January 17 2014 05:39 kongoline wrote:
i wish kev1in picked zac he would be 100x times more useful

I actually think zac might have been better here, at least it doesn't allow soaz to run around with thornmail/randuins/sunfire telling millenium to go fuck themselves.
I don't think tank gragas is bad, it was pretty useful on the whole and it's not to say that kerp didn't play pretty poorly which he really did getting himself locked down at the start of opening fight effectively halving mill's damage but idk I feel like both tank gragas and lee sin wasn't optimal.
Glorious SEA doto
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-16 20:43:20
January 16 2014 20:42 GMT
#2311
Tank Gragas is NOT the worst thing in the world. Sure his damage is not as high as a Renekton or something, but he's still got massive damage reduction, AS slow, MS slow, displacement, an AD steroid, and very high mobility with body slam. The problem is that Lee Sin does the same fucking thing, and also has no damage.

I wonder if M had jungle Gragas and different top laner like Zac, or left grag top but picked a higher damage (AP) jungle such as Elise how things would have turned out.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
January 16 2014 20:43 GMT
#2312
On January 17 2014 05:41 oneofthem wrote:
tank gragas means their entire team is countered by armor


nobody would be blaming Kev1n if he was playing shy top, which is comparable magic damage, they'd be talking about how kerp dove in and killed himself in every teamfight and how Araneae's Lee does nothing after the lane phase.
Carrilord has arrived.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
January 16 2014 20:43 GMT
#2313
is zac top really that bad now? i think zac instead of gragas would have worked insanely good here
skykh
Profile Joined September 2012
3006 Posts
January 16 2014 20:44 GMT
#2314
Or go malphite
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
January 16 2014 20:44 GMT
#2315
Araneae should have gone Eve imo.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Kontossis
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada256 Posts
January 16 2014 20:44 GMT
#2316
Quite a bit of fail in the match, but essentially the match was decided when Fnatic got two free barons.
Nom nom nom...
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 16 2014 20:46 GMT
#2317
Zac isn't autowin anymore (and some match-ups at the time of his nerfs like Nasus were rough for him) so he's not picked at all regardless of how well he fares. He was nerfed and not broken, so he must be trash, and all that.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-16 20:47:47
January 16 2014 20:46 GMT
#2318
On January 17 2014 05:43 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 05:41 oneofthem wrote:
tank gragas means their entire team is countered by armor


nobody would be blaming Kev1n if he was playing shy top, which is comparable magic damage, they'd be talking about how kerp dove in and killed himself in every teamfight and how Araneae's Lee does nothing after the lane phase.

well, he didn't pick shyvana though. he was on gragas. maybe tanky gragas was better for their early game focused strat, but the lack of ap was also the clear downside in late game.

personally not blaming him because you can see what they were trying to do with the skirmish early game stuff, but going no ap was an all in move that basically made them unable to win fights after the enemy team got armor
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
January 16 2014 20:47 GMT
#2319
On January 17 2014 05:46 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 05:43 Slusher wrote:
On January 17 2014 05:41 oneofthem wrote:
tank gragas means their entire team is countered by armor


nobody would be blaming Kev1n if he was playing shy top, which is comparable magic damage, they'd be talking about how kerp dove in and killed himself in every teamfight and how Araneae's Lee does nothing after the lane phase.

well, he didn't pick shyvana though. he was on gragas. maybe tanky gragas was better for their early game focused strat, but the lack of ap was also the clear downside in late game.


I honestly think the bigger problem here is that Lee Sin fits the same role (and provides basically the same utility), so they had 2 champions that provided 0 damage and 2 squishy AD as their only damage sources.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 16 2014 20:48 GMT
#2320
they probably had an all in mindset from the start and unfortunately didn't manage to push through and win with it early.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
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