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Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
December 01 2012 03:23 GMT
#3321
Man, i just came home. Fnatic beating tpa 2:0. What a beast. Can't wait to watch the vods tomorrow.
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 03:28:12
December 01 2012 03:24 GMT
#3322
On December 01 2012 12:19 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 12:15 oogieogie wrote:
On December 01 2012 12:10 De4ngus wrote:
On December 01 2012 12:03 oogieogie wrote:
On December 01 2012 12:02 De4ngus wrote:
On December 01 2012 12:00 oogieogie wrote:
On December 01 2012 11:58 xes wrote:
On December 01 2012 11:56 oogieogie wrote:
On December 01 2012 11:54 xes wrote:
I can imagine TSM's chat

Regi: "BRO I'M SO FED BRO IT'S OK BRO WE CAN DO THIS BRO I'M SO FED"

twisted fate has more gold so regi isn't even really fed sadly =/

@De4ngus why go 21 into utility as vlad?

CDR Spellvamp MS. Its so good for vlad just usually you need 21 defense to not die

6% cdr and 3% spellvamp and not having indomitable just doesn't seem worth it..21/9 or 19/11 seems way better for vlad.

lolwtf its not just cdr and spell vamp. please go read the utiliy tree.

so you get 2% more cdr/3% spellvamp/more MS/summoners less cd vs damage or being able to survive. Also most top lanes get at least 11 pts into defense so minion damage is pretty much negated.

9/0/21 gives you 15% summoner spell reduction, 10% cdr, 3% spellvamp, 2% movespeed, 5% exp gain + sage <<<<<<really important part you seem to be missing.

I am easily going to say sage sucks..hes top lane and while lvls are good for vlad I don't see that being better then -2 minion damage so you can freeze the lane/trade much easier or just anything else from defense/offense. I would find 19/11 or 21/9 better.

You're really undervaluing upfront CDR (as opposed to scaling), the summoner spell CDR, and movespeed. The constant MS bonus to Vlad is huge

If you can get away with it, 9/0/21 is stronger than 9/21 for Vlad. 9/21 is for stuff like Riven if you don't have gosu confidence in your Vlad play

The first 11 pts into defense are pretty good, but past that you don't get as much out as you do going deep into utility.

umm..9/0/21 gives 10% CDR while 9/21 gives 4% CDR + 8.1% @ lvl 18 and 19/11 just gives more AP with less CDR. If reapered went 9/21/0 then he would end up with more CDR towards the end of the game. I can see why you would want more CDR at the start since vlad is weakest then, but personally I wouldn't do it.

also 9/0/21 is more likely safer while 9/21 is better if you can get away with it..2% movement speed is like extra 8 movement speed. If vlad can he will use ghost most likely instead of flash.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
December 01 2012 03:25 GMT
#3323
Master yi banned ahhaaahhahahaahahah
Cackle™
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
December 01 2012 03:25 GMT
#3324
Yi banned, mwahahaha
Chun-li since ST
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 01 2012 03:28 GMT
#3325
ban Master Yi, get eve, can't win.
Carrilord has arrived.
TheSinisterRed
Profile Joined September 2012
United States1546 Posts
December 01 2012 03:28 GMT
#3326
That Scarra ward clip is awesome.

YES, that Phatoml0rd clip is great. Not the best, but pretty damn funny.
jadoth
Profile Joined December 2011
694 Posts
December 01 2012 03:28 GMT
#3327
On December 01 2012 12:21 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 12:18 TeuTeu wrote:
On December 01 2012 12:16 Amui wrote:
Alex ich....triple kill to finish off MP. AP Yi viable at pro level???


Which leaves us with 2 games, 1 penta, 1 quadra, at least one triple... Yi is still probably not viable, but when playing M5, teams should consider trying to avoid his Yi (and his Anivia..).

Of course it's viable lol they stomped 2 teams with it.
All you need is a team around him that will be able to bring down the other team low enough so Yi can come in and clean up with resets.It's same shit as katarina.


I have stomped teams 4v5. That does not make 4 man teams viable.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
December 01 2012 03:29 GMT
#3328
if eve + yi ban becomes mandatory against M5 it'll be fun :D
Zest fanboy.
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 03:30:52
December 01 2012 03:30 GMT
#3329
honestly seems like M5 is just not taking MP seriously which is fine for them if they just stomp them.

awww i was expecting trundle
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
December 01 2012 03:31 GMT
#3330
On December 01 2012 12:30 oogieogie wrote:
honestly seems like M5 is just not taking MP seriously which is fine for them if they just stomp them.

awww i was expecting trundle


xin/eve is rather serious :p
Zest fanboy.
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
December 01 2012 03:31 GMT
#3331
On December 01 2012 12:31 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 12:30 oogieogie wrote:
honestly seems like M5 is just not taking MP seriously which is fine for them if they just stomp them.

awww i was expecting trundle


xin/eve is rather serious :p

not trundle though which they were hovering on
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
December 01 2012 03:32 GMT
#3332
On December 01 2012 12:31 oogieogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 12:31 sAsImre wrote:
On December 01 2012 12:30 oogieogie wrote:
honestly seems like M5 is just not taking MP seriously which is fine for them if they just stomp them.

awww i was expecting trundle


xin/eve is rather serious :p

not trundle though which they were hovering on


yeah it'd have been fun T.T
Zest fanboy.
templar rage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2509 Posts
December 01 2012 03:32 GMT
#3333
M5 plays such off-beat champions that I have no idea when/if they're trolling.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 01 2012 03:33 GMT
#3334
Oh god Blaze got Diana . . .
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
December 01 2012 03:33 GMT
#3335
AZB ban 3 champs this game, Reg isn't even good on Orianna, they just seems to random bans shit vs TSM.
Terran
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 01 2012 03:33 GMT
#3336
ppl forget the opinion of Urgot before m5 broke him out
Carrilord has arrived.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
December 01 2012 03:33 GMT
#3337
Poll still favors TSM :D
Zest fanboy.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
December 01 2012 03:34 GMT
#3338
So Who is the sub for AZB? Sorry for the noob question -_-/
Terran
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 01 2012 03:35 GMT
#3339
On December 01 2012 12:33 Caphe wrote:
AZB ban 3 champs this game, Reg isn't even good on Orianna, they just seems to random bans shit vs TSM.


I want to talk to Blaze's coach after this, zzz.

On December 01 2012 12:34 Caphe wrote:
So Who is the sub for AZB? Sorry for the noob question -_-/


Flame is their new Top, replacing Reapered.
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oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
December 01 2012 03:36 GMT
#3340
On December 01 2012 12:33 sAsImre wrote:
Poll still favors TSM :D

it always will even if TSM is behind 20k gold @ 5 minutes there would still be that poll with TSM as the favorites to win that game.

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