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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
December 01 2012 03:13 GMT
#3301
On December 01 2012 12:11 Slow Motion wrote:
Well at least TSM gave a way better fight than what we expected.

I don't think AZB were prepared for how aggressive TSM were in the midgame given how behind they were. Most teams would try to scrap up farm so you wouldn't be so boned in the lategame, but TSM went on all-or-nothing midgame grouping and sniping with all the single target isolation/CC

Next game TSM stands no chance
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 01 2012 03:13 GMT
#3302
On December 01 2012 12:12 jgoonld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 12:10 TheSinisterRed wrote:
I smell a blitz ban by TSM next game.


I don't actually think blitz was that effective..Lustboy's lulu play generally looks better than what I saw out of that blitz.


That's probably because there was no one to grab. Literally every target except Ezreal had the potential to be a mistake, and Ezreal is practically unpullable. It was only under very special circumstances that pulling Regi worked out.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 01 2012 03:14 GMT
#3303
does abyssal even work on Yi? isn't he not there when his damage is being done?
Carrilord has arrived.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
December 01 2012 03:14 GMT
#3304
Wtf, did Fnatic beat TPA earlier on? How?
Terran
TheSinisterRed
Profile Joined September 2012
United States1546 Posts
December 01 2012 03:15 GMT
#3305
On December 01 2012 12:12 jgoonld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 12:10 TheSinisterRed wrote:
I smell a blitz ban by TSM next game.


I don't actually think blitz was that effective..Lustboy's lulu play generally looks better than what I saw out of that blitz.

I think they have to just for the sake of their mental state. The blitz pull on Regi really screwed them over hard. Sure they may have lost anyway, but it is still a devastating thing that I think they just won't want to deal with for game 2.
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
December 01 2012 03:15 GMT
#3306
On December 01 2012 12:10 De4ngus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 12:03 oogieogie wrote:
On December 01 2012 12:02 De4ngus wrote:
On December 01 2012 12:00 oogieogie wrote:
On December 01 2012 11:58 xes wrote:
On December 01 2012 11:56 oogieogie wrote:
On December 01 2012 11:54 xes wrote:
I can imagine TSM's chat

Regi: "BRO I'M SO FED BRO IT'S OK BRO WE CAN DO THIS BRO I'M SO FED"

twisted fate has more gold so regi isn't even really fed sadly =/

@De4ngus why go 21 into utility as vlad?

CDR Spellvamp MS. Its so good for vlad just usually you need 21 defense to not die

6% cdr and 3% spellvamp and not having indomitable just doesn't seem worth it..21/9 or 19/11 seems way better for vlad.

lolwtf its not just cdr and spell vamp. please go read the utiliy tree.

so you get 2% more cdr/3% spellvamp/more MS/summoners less cd vs damage or being able to survive. Also most top lanes get at least 11 pts into defense so minion damage is pretty much negated.

9/0/21 gives you 15% summoner spell reduction, 10% cdr, 3% spellvamp, 2% movespeed, 5% exp gain + sage <<<<<<really important part you seem to be missing.

I am easily going to say sage sucks..hes top lane and while lvls are good for vlad I don't see that being better then -2 minion damage so you can freeze the lane/trade much easier or just anything else from defense/offense. I would find 19/11 or 21/9 better.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
December 01 2012 03:16 GMT
#3307
That janitor Yi skin can't come soon enough.
Cackle™
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
December 01 2012 03:16 GMT
#3308
Alex ich....triple kill to finish off MP. AP Yi viable at pro level???
Porouscloud - NA LoL
templar rage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2509 Posts
December 01 2012 03:16 GMT
#3309
On December 01 2012 12:15 TheSinisterRed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 12:12 jgoonld wrote:
On December 01 2012 12:10 TheSinisterRed wrote:
I smell a blitz ban by TSM next game.


I don't actually think blitz was that effective..Lustboy's lulu play generally looks better than what I saw out of that blitz.

I think they have to just for the sake of their mental state. The blitz pull on Regi really screwed them over hard. Sure they may have lost anyway, but it is still a devastating thing that I think they just won't want to deal with for game 2.


Yeah, even if Blitz didn't do a single thing that entire game (dunno, didn't see the beginning), he still basically won the game for Blaze with that single hook.
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
December 01 2012 03:16 GMT
#3310
On December 01 2012 12:16 Amui wrote:
Alex ich....triple kill to finish off MP. AP Yi viable at pro level???

Only against na teams.
Chun-li since ST
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 03:17:16
December 01 2012 03:17 GMT
#3311
On December 01 2012 12:14 Caphe wrote:
Wtf, did Fnatic beat TPA earlier on? How?

Games were sick. Watch the VODs once they come out.

Fnatic playing fantastic.
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 03:17:57
December 01 2012 03:17 GMT
#3312
On December 01 2012 12:14 Slusher wrote:
does abyssal even work on Yi? isn't he not there when his damage is being done?

I didn't know this precisely but
Mastery Yi loses aura buffs such as Will of the Ancients while he is untargetable, even if he is the source of the buff.
so it'll work if a teammate has it but not if Yi has it.
Sagamantha
Profile Joined September 2011
United States339 Posts
December 01 2012 03:18 GMT
#3313
On December 01 2012 12:16 Amui wrote:
Alex ich....triple kill to finish off MP. AP Yi viable at pro level???


Which leaves us with 2 games, 1 penta, 1 quadra, at least one triple... Yi is still probably not viable, but when playing M5, teams should consider trying to avoid his Yi (and his Anivia..).
trueCOMEHfan [16:21] <Qbek> hey sagamama [16:21] <Qbek> you ain;t targe bad
Agnosthar
Profile Joined August 2010
631 Posts
December 01 2012 03:18 GMT
#3314
Where can I see detailed results for certain matches? I want to see all the individual player scores etc for today's matches, is there anywhere with that information?
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 01 2012 03:18 GMT
#3315
On December 01 2012 12:16 Artok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 12:16 Amui wrote:
Alex ich....triple kill to finish off MP. AP Yi viable at pro level???

Only against na teams.

Team OP begs to differ
Glorious SEA doto
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-01 03:20:19
December 01 2012 03:19 GMT
#3316
On December 01 2012 12:15 oogieogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 12:10 De4ngus wrote:
On December 01 2012 12:03 oogieogie wrote:
On December 01 2012 12:02 De4ngus wrote:
On December 01 2012 12:00 oogieogie wrote:
On December 01 2012 11:58 xes wrote:
On December 01 2012 11:56 oogieogie wrote:
On December 01 2012 11:54 xes wrote:
I can imagine TSM's chat

Regi: "BRO I'M SO FED BRO IT'S OK BRO WE CAN DO THIS BRO I'M SO FED"

twisted fate has more gold so regi isn't even really fed sadly =/

@De4ngus why go 21 into utility as vlad?

CDR Spellvamp MS. Its so good for vlad just usually you need 21 defense to not die

6% cdr and 3% spellvamp and not having indomitable just doesn't seem worth it..21/9 or 19/11 seems way better for vlad.

lolwtf its not just cdr and spell vamp. please go read the utiliy tree.

so you get 2% more cdr/3% spellvamp/more MS/summoners less cd vs damage or being able to survive. Also most top lanes get at least 11 pts into defense so minion damage is pretty much negated.

9/0/21 gives you 15% summoner spell reduction, 10% cdr, 3% spellvamp, 2% movespeed, 5% exp gain + sage <<<<<

I am easily going to say sage sucks..hes top lane and while lvls are good for vlad I don't see that being better then -2 minion damage so you can freeze the lane/trade much easier or just anything else from defense/offense. I would find 19/11 or 21/9 better.

You're really undervaluing upfront CDR (as opposed to scaling), the summoner spell CDR, and movespeed. The constant MS bonus to Vlad is huge

If you can get away with it, 9/0/21 is stronger than 9/21 for Vlad. 9/21 is for stuff like Riven if you don't have gosu confidence in your Vlad play

The first 11 pts into defense are pretty good, but past that you don't get as much out as you do going deep into utility.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 01 2012 03:19 GMT
#3317
On December 01 2012 12:17 beefhamburger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 12:14 Slusher wrote:
does abyssal even work on Yi? isn't he not there when his damage is being done?

I didn't know this precisely but
Show nested quote +
Mastery Yi loses aura buffs such as Will of the Ancients while he is untargetable, even if he is the source of the buff.
so it'll work if a teammate has it but not if Yi has it.


ya Alex build one, I had always just assumed it didn't work, he just wanted mr I guess.
Carrilord has arrived.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
December 01 2012 03:21 GMT
#3318
On December 01 2012 12:18 TeuTeu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 12:16 Amui wrote:
Alex ich....triple kill to finish off MP. AP Yi viable at pro level???


Which leaves us with 2 games, 1 penta, 1 quadra, at least one triple... Yi is still probably not viable, but when playing M5, teams should consider trying to avoid his Yi (and his Anivia..).

Of course it's viable lol they stomped 2 teams with it.
All you need is a team around him that will be able to bring down the other team low enough so Yi can come in and clean up with resets.It's same shit as katarina.
Cackle™
Lysteria
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
France2279 Posts
December 01 2012 03:22 GMT
#3319
On December 01 2012 12:12 jgoonld wrote:
I don't actually think blitz was that effective..Lustboy's lulu play generally looks better than what I saw out of that blitz.


He couldn't hook Maokai, Darius or Leona. Ezreal is slippy as hell, and if Diana isn't on cooldown/prepared to be hooked, it can backfire. Go Blitz every game doesn't make you win games automatically.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 01 2012 03:22 GMT
#3320
Also yesterday Yi could have been screwed against the Maokai jungle but M5 with great teamwork fucked Saint's jungle. In solo queue however I am looking forward to playing Maokai against these AP Yi's.
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