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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I think it's just back to what it was in S2 where it was strong for certain champions and not for others. I think a lot of the people blindly building it atm are just doing inefficient builds, like how we saw BotRK on every single champion ever when it came out. It's good on Ez and Corki, and Nasus, and Lucian etc. But I'm not convinced with all the Triforce Nidalee's and such I'm seeing these days. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 16 2013 02:35 Ketara wrote: I don't think Triforce is too strong. I think it's just back to what it was in S2 where it was strong for certain champions and not for others. I think a lot of the people blindly building it atm are just doing inefficient builds, like how we saw BotRK on every single champion ever when it came out. It's good on Ez and Corki, and Nasus, and Lucian etc. But I'm not convinced with all the Triforce Nidalee's and such I'm seeing these days. I still think bruiser nidalee is suboptimal ever since she lost free resist, but god, triforce nidalee q execute does so much fucking damage. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
people still building it blindly on every champion now is what irks me. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 16 2013 02:37 Slusher wrote: release (after the first rework that added daggers) botrk was that OP lol. people still building it blindly on every champion now is what irks me. Seeing BotRK on Caitlyn makes me want to punch babies. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 16 2013 02:41 Slusher wrote: The live version is pretty situational on every champion not named vayne. Twitch, Kog, and Trist, benefit pretty well off of BotRK. | ||
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The_Unseen
France1923 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On September 16 2013 02:44 wei2coolman wrote: Twitch, Kog, and Trist, benefit pretty well off of BotRK. Twitch botrk is for pick comps, team fight comps it's not ideal, Trist with a large lead, again not ideal, I actually don't like the item in any way on Kog but honestly I just feel like Kog is pretty bad vs popular (map wide) picks at the moment so I haven't even thought about him much. situational =/= not good. | ||
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ArchAngelSC
England706 Posts
On September 16 2013 02:44 wei2coolman wrote: Twitch, Kog, and Trist, benefit pretty well off of BotRK. I don't get why people build it on Trist as she already has a 90% aspd boost with her Q ... She needs damage not more aspd. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 16 2013 02:52 ArchAngelSC wrote: I don't get why people build it on Trist as she already has a 90% aspd boost with her Q ... She needs damage not more aspd. It's to deal with her weak mid game, BotRK patches up her weak midgame pretty well. On September 16 2013 02:49 Slusher wrote: Twitch botrk is for pick comps, team fight comps it's not ideal, Trist with a large lead, again not ideal, I actually don't like the item in any way on Kog but honestly I just feel like Kog is pretty bad vs popular (map wide) picks at the moment so I haven't even thought about him much. situational =/= not good. Meh, IE first on Trist is way more situational than BotRK (as a first item). Also pretty hard for Trist to get a "large lead", considering how her early game works. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On September 16 2013 02:52 ArchAngelSC wrote: I don't get why people build it on Trist as she already has a 90% aspd boost with her Q ... She needs damage not more aspd. Helps round out her weak mid game. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On September 16 2013 02:53 wei2coolman wrote:Meh, IE first on Trist is way more situational than BotRK. Also pretty hard for Trist to get a "large lead", considering how her early game works. the fact that both options exist and are legit, means situational, unless they aren't mutually exclusive which they are, if you don't go botrk first on trist you shouldn't buy it at all. If it's 50/50 or 20/80 it does not matter, all that matters is the exclusivity. basic English pls. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On September 16 2013 02:53 onlywonderboy wrote: Helps round out her weak mid game. Meh, not really since your damage is still really weak. Botrk on trist is more of a snowballing and a laning item. Trist actually has good early game all in potential and with botrk it pretty much seals the deal. | ||
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ArchAngelSC
England706 Posts
On September 16 2013 02:53 wei2coolman wrote: It's to deal with her weak mid game, BotRK patches up her weak midgame pretty well. Meh, IE first on Trist is way more situational than BotRK (as a first item). Also pretty hard for Trist to get a "large lead", considering how her early game works. How does it help with her mid game when its shit until late game levels of hp? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On September 16 2013 02:37 wei2coolman wrote: I still think bruiser nidalee is suboptimal ever since she lost free resist, but god, triforce nidalee q execute does so much fucking damage. I finally learned how to do the auto-cougar-Q thing and holy crap its broken as hell. A 100 damage auto turns into like 500 damage. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 16 2013 02:56 ArchAngelSC wrote: How does it help with her mid game when its shit until late game levels of hp? Do you not know how % hp work? lol, it works best early game, when there's no armor. 5%hp still takes same number of shots, no matter how much hp they have (Assuming armor is same). | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On September 16 2013 02:53 onlywonderboy wrote: Helps round out her weak mid game. BotRK isn't the bad item on Trist, PD is. 21 offense, BotRK and rank 5 Q gives her exactly 2.5 ASPD at 18. Few months ago I did some Tristana math, the highest damage 4 item combo for Trist is actually BotRK, IE, LW, Ghostblade. Use the ghostblade active as soon as Q drops. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 16 2013 03:00 Ketara wrote: BotRK isn't the bad item on Trist, PD is. 21 offense, BotRK and rank 5 Q gives her exactly 2.5 ASPD at 18. Few months ago I did some Tristana math, the highest damage 4 item combo for Trist is actually BotRK, IE, LW, Ghostblade. Use the ghostblade active as soon as Q drops. Interesting, unfortunately lack of lifesteal in that build. On September 16 2013 03:02 Slusher wrote: she isn't hurt by having only 25% crit? I find that hard to believe but please lay the math on me Ghost blade gives 15% as well. so 40% crit. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21961 Posts
On September 16 2013 03:02 Slusher wrote: she isn't hurt by having only 25% crit? I find that hard to believe but please lay the math on me 2.5 shots a second. even with only 25% crit you will crit every other second. | ||
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