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On November 12 2012 10:45 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 10:35 cLutZ wrote:On November 12 2012 09:51 Craton wrote:
Except her needing nerfs isn't just because it's not "intended," it's because she does too much with too little. Except supports have to do a lot with a little. The fact that Riot didn't anticipate Zyra support really kinda shows how little they understand the 5th farm position in this game. Champs Riot didn't expect to be supports that are played as such: Alistar, Blitzcrank, Leona, Nunu, Zyra Champs Riot expected to be supports that aren't played as such: Karma, Kayle, Zilean Basically the supports that Riot "got right" are Janna, Lulu, Sona, Soraka, Taric. And of those, all but Taric were playable as other roles, then subsequently had those alternative roles nerfed.
Wtf Yango, Bruiser Taric top clearly what Riot intended with Taric
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leona was totally a support from the start wtf are you guys talking about
they intentionally gave all her spells low scaling so she couldn't be played like AP ali at the time and she couldn't really be a bruiser. her passive was designed with the support role in mind the whole time
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On November 12 2012 11:32 Frolossus wrote:
leona was totally a support from the start wtf are you guys talking about
they intentionally gave all her spells low scaling so she couldn't be played like AP ali at the time and she couldn't really be a bruiser. her passive was designed with the support role in mind the whole time
She was designed as a "tank". This didn't in any way imply 5th position farm priority at the time, and, as evidenced by her spotlight and everyone's play at release, the intent was for her to get farm and play 3rd/4th position.
It was only after a while that people realized that her W survivability and base stats were sufficient for her to be a 5th position full support.
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On November 12 2012 11:29 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 10:45 TheYango wrote:On November 12 2012 10:35 cLutZ wrote:On November 12 2012 09:51 Craton wrote:
Except her needing nerfs isn't just because it's not "intended," it's because she does too much with too little. Except supports have to do a lot with a little. The fact that Riot didn't anticipate Zyra support really kinda shows how little they understand the 5th farm position in this game. Champs Riot didn't expect to be supports that are played as such: Alistar, Blitzcrank, Leona, Nunu, Zyra Champs Riot expected to be supports that aren't played as such: Karma, Kayle, Zilean Basically the supports that Riot "got right" are Janna, Lulu, Sona, Soraka, Taric. And of those, all but Taric were playable as other roles, then subsequently had those alternative roles nerfed. Wtf Yango, Bruiser Taric top clearly what Riot intended with Taric
I agree. I don't think the modern support role even existed when taric was designed. Also buriser taric op :p
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On November 12 2012 11:10 Dgiese wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 22:08 Slayer91 wrote:On November 11 2012 21:18 Kouda wrote:
idk why naut isnt used as much anymore. He's still CC bot central with insane peel/initiate. people forgot he existed sunfire renek is pretty bad but if you're really far behind it might be ok i liked the guide section when I was new I always used them every time I picked a new hero. Smash has written tons of good guides maybe I should write a few when S3 comes. +1, I'm sure you'd be excellent at making guides.
thanks, I wrote the nasus guide but it needs updating and reformating but ill wait for S3 since it'll change everything anyway
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Man, watching CLG fail so hard vs Pulse right now and it's all Locodoco's fault. Even HotshotGG is playing well now and jiji is laning better. Locodoco's carry mentality is baiting CLG into conga line suicide - solo Q style.
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On November 12 2012 11:29 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 10:45 TheYango wrote:On November 12 2012 10:35 cLutZ wrote:On November 12 2012 09:51 Craton wrote:
Except her needing nerfs isn't just because it's not "intended," it's because she does too much with too little. Except supports have to do a lot with a little. The fact that Riot didn't anticipate Zyra support really kinda shows how little they understand the 5th farm position in this game. Champs Riot didn't expect to be supports that are played as such: Alistar, Blitzcrank, Leona, Nunu, Zyra Champs Riot expected to be supports that aren't played as such: Karma, Kayle, Zilean Basically the supports that Riot "got right" are Janna, Lulu, Sona, Soraka, Taric. And of those, all but Taric were playable as other roles, then subsequently had those alternative roles nerfed. Wtf Yango, Bruiser Taric top clearly what Riot intended with Taric
Yeah, his old ulti was broken as fuuuuuck.
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I DON'T UNDERSTAND CLG
but I'm glad they're winning these team fights.
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On November 12 2012 11:35 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 11:32 Frolossus wrote:
leona was totally a support from the start wtf are you guys talking about
they intentionally gave all her spells low scaling so she couldn't be played like AP ali at the time and she couldn't really be a bruiser. her passive was designed with the support role in mind the whole time She was designed as a "tank". This didn't in any way imply 5th position farm priority at the time, and, as evidenced by her spotlight and everyone's play at release, the intent was for her to get farm and play 3rd/4th position. It was only after a while that people realized that her W survivability and base stats were sufficient for her to be a 5th position full support.
To be completely fair, those spotlights are really old. I see fiddlesticks being played top in the lee sin spotlight and no ADC support meta in the bot lane.
If we were to ask any riot employees what lane leona played as now, most would say she's best by far as a support.
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On November 12 2012 12:03 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 11:35 TheYango wrote:On November 12 2012 11:32 Frolossus wrote:
leona was totally a support from the start wtf are you guys talking about
they intentionally gave all her spells low scaling so she couldn't be played like AP ali at the time and she couldn't really be a bruiser. her passive was designed with the support role in mind the whole time She was designed as a "tank". This didn't in any way imply 5th position farm priority at the time, and, as evidenced by her spotlight and everyone's play at release, the intent was for her to get farm and play 3rd/4th position. It was only after a while that people realized that her W survivability and base stats were sufficient for her to be a 5th position full support. To be completely fair, those spotlights are really old. I see fiddlesticks being played top in the lee sin spotlight and no ADC support meta in the bot lane. If we were to ask any riot employees what lane leona played as now, most would say she's best by far as a support.
Nah, I agree with Yango. Her design was that of a "tank" in similar vein to Alistar, Amumu and Malphite. When she was released, most people tried playing her in the jungle and top lane, and even AP carry before her really shining as a support. Even when people were experimenting with her as a support, she was thought of being very unorthodox (and pretty bad) because of her lack of disengage and lack of healing. IIRC, she only became popular after a certain tournament, probably one involving Fnatic's old nRated/YellOwStaR Leona/Corki lane.
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On November 12 2012 12:11 1ntrigue wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 12:03 obesechicken13 wrote:On November 12 2012 11:35 TheYango wrote:On November 12 2012 11:32 Frolossus wrote:
leona was totally a support from the start wtf are you guys talking about
they intentionally gave all her spells low scaling so she couldn't be played like AP ali at the time and she couldn't really be a bruiser. her passive was designed with the support role in mind the whole time She was designed as a "tank". This didn't in any way imply 5th position farm priority at the time, and, as evidenced by her spotlight and everyone's play at release, the intent was for her to get farm and play 3rd/4th position. It was only after a while that people realized that her W survivability and base stats were sufficient for her to be a 5th position full support. To be completely fair, those spotlights are really old. I see fiddlesticks being played top in the lee sin spotlight and no ADC support meta in the bot lane. If we were to ask any riot employees what lane leona played as now, most would say she's best by far as a support. Nah, I agree with Yango. Her design was that of a "tank" in similar vein to Alistar, Amumu and Malphite. When she was released, most people tried playing her in the jungle and top lane, and even AP carry before her really shining as a support. Even when people were experimenting with her as a support, she was thought of being very unorthodox (and pretty bad) because of her lack of disengage and lack of healing. IIRC, she only became popular after a certain tournament, probably one involving Fnatic's old nRated/YellOwStaR Leona/Corki lane.
Also, you have to realize that Riot has substantially changed "support" since Leona's introduction. Sustain lanes have been hit pretty hard and disengage champs like Janna have been hit hard (i.e. the knockup change on Q was bad for laning), so an all-int support like Leona is more viable than Riot could ever have imagined when she was released.
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awwwwww yiruru so qtpie!!!
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What I don't understand is that it says UBC lan but Altec and Bischu obviously aren't old enough to go to UBC. Were they subbing or something?
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it came up on my fb homepage i swear
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On November 12 2012 12:17 HazMat wrote:Friend request sent.
I just want that girl.
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On November 12 2012 12:22 HazMat wrote:
What I don't understand is that it says UBC lan but Altec and Bischu obviously aren't old enough to go to UBC. Were they subbing or something?
i think so
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On November 12 2012 12:23 Sufficiency wrote:I just want that girl.
I just want the hat..
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