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Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
December 31 2010 04:39 GMT
#3201
More skin help please :3
So I have no skins on ashe, does that mean I can only use the original custom skin?
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-31 05:31:25
December 31 2010 04:48 GMT
#3202
On December 31 2010 05:47 TheYango wrote:
The thing that bothers me most about Fiddle is that his damage is so front-loaded into his Ultimate. No team with half a brain is going to let you Drain for meaningful damage in a team-fight, and Dark Wind is just so unreliable for pushing damage onto someone (oh, look, it never bounced back to your first target and hit a bunch of creeps instead, so you did like 100 damage). So then you're left in this spot where itemizing for spell damage makes your ult stay relevant but doesn't *really* help any of your other abilities.

EDIT: I'm probably being overly harsh, maybe Fiddle's playstyle just rubs me the wrong way.


It's why I play fiddle as support. 10 seconds of silence, 3 seconds of stun. If their team dives wrong they get fiddle ulted. Rylai's so everything slows, then build tanky. Fiddle easily counters vlad, anyone with a channel (ww, shen, mal, janna, mf) because he's a walking cc turret. Fiddle can poke easily with E because you can use minions to chain to champions if they want to sit close to their turret, you will waste some bounces but because of the random nature of 10 bounces for ~100 damage could easily wreck a carry or support and give you a good chance to take a turret. If someone tries to initiate (like ww or shen) you just fear them, or if a friend is too close silence. Fiddle is a short range turret of piss you off, similar to lux, but with shorter range and no skill shots. WW's and vlad's are my favorite targets. After only a few fights they realize you are going to completely fuck over their damage so they target you first (which is fine, because then they aren't going for someone important).

Fiddle sucks at soloing champions, his only single target damage is drain (which you shouldn't max first if the other team has any cc, and you should never just line up with another if someone knows what a fiddle is), but in team fights, he shuts down lots of champions hard. Vlad specifically is a favorite of mine to focus and kass only if you have a banshies veil to mess up his burst combo. Morg's shield reduction was a huge buff for fiddle, since it used to leave their initiator with only a 2 second gap to have their stuff broken by me. I very rarely use ult, because *needing* to ult makes you worthless for the other 2 minutes that your ult is down.

I'll also edit in this part, fiddle can't gank before 6. If you get ganked by a fiddle that isn't 6, you're fucking terrible. Fiddle is base speed 300, the slowest in the game, he has the shortest range of all champions for his auto and abilities. Also, no I'm not going to ult in when I have 20% of my hp, fiddles ult is a 2.5 minute cd. In a 25 minute game it maybe only be possible to ult a total of 4 times, if don't right once it's off cd and right when it's on, which would never happen. 25 minute surrender, possible 3 fiddle ults. With team fights happening every 60-100 seconds, people always bitch that I didn't use my ult when their ult was up, I swear it's the fucking longest in the game.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 31 2010 04:48 GMT
#3203
On December 31 2010 13:11 NeoIllusions wrote:
Manyreason #1 olaf jungle.

I honestly thought that was a lvl 29 olaf. He charged at me with 1/4th life and died to my crit zzz.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 31 2010 04:51 GMT
#3204
On December 31 2010 13:48 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2010 13:11 NeoIllusions wrote:
Manyreason #1 olaf jungle.

I honestly thought that was a lvl 29 olaf. He charged at me with 1/4th life and died to my crit zzz.


lol, he thought he could take you. :3
Nice teammates btw.
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 31 2010 04:53 GMT
#3205
Whatcha mean.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 31 2010 04:54 GMT
#3206
On December 31 2010 13:53 HazMat wrote:
Whatcha mean.


dat phreak dive
gud yes?
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
December 31 2010 04:54 GMT
#3207
BG. I blame it all on Chew randomly disconnecting.

+ Show Spoiler +
And me playing like trash.
Retvrn to Forvms
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 31 2010 04:56 GMT
#3208
On December 31 2010 13:54 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2010 13:53 HazMat wrote:
Whatcha mean.


dat phreak dive
gud yes?

Oh ya phreak dying twice and giving them baron twice x.x
Though my facecheck was hillar. I KNEW they were there but I just had to be sure by placing a jib.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 31 2010 04:58 GMT
#3209
Chauster rng'ed so good that game.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
December 31 2010 07:55 GMT
#3210
On December 31 2010 09:30 eagle wrote:
fiddle ap ratio is appiled to every drain tick and every dark wind hit so his ratios arent bad

Again, you need 1000 AP to deal double damage with Fiddle's ult at level 16. Doesn't matter if it applies to every tick, double is still double. Not may spells have such a bad AP ratio. Cho's Feast being a notable exception with 1600 AP for double damage, but it's true damage.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
December 31 2010 07:57 GMT
#3211
Let's be fair here, fiddle's ulti does 1200 something damage total
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
December 31 2010 08:13 GMT
#3212
350 * 5 = 1750, I guess? Sure, the AP ratio is bad because the base damage is high (and AoE). All that means is that I would focus on making sure the ult hits as many people as possible for as many ticks as possible, and then as a secondary goal I would try to increase the damage via MPen.

And Randuin's >>> Rylai's in terms of AoE slow. I'd rather get off 1 more tick of damage thanks to better slow than increase my damage per tick by (at most) 8%. Of course Rylai's has the advantage that it works with Drain and Dark Wind, while Randuin's is only really useful when you can ult into a teamfight.

Well yeah, that's my reasoning behind that build, but I am sooo bad with Fiddle that it doesn't matter what I build...
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
December 31 2010 08:42 GMT
#3213
On December 31 2010 16:55 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2010 09:30 eagle wrote:
fiddle ap ratio is appiled to every drain tick and every dark wind hit so his ratios arent bad

Again, you need 1000 AP to deal double damage with Fiddle's ult at level 16. Doesn't matter if it applies to every tick, double is still double. Not may spells have such a bad AP ratio. Cho's Feast being a notable exception with 1600 AP for double damage, but it's true damage.


If you hit somebody with the full five seconds you get 1.75 damage per target per point of ap. It doesn't matter how it compares to the base damage, that's a good ratio.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
December 31 2010 08:50 GMT
#3214
On December 31 2010 17:42 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2010 16:55 spinesheath wrote:
On December 31 2010 09:30 eagle wrote:
fiddle ap ratio is appiled to every drain tick and every dark wind hit so his ratios arent bad

Again, you need 1000 AP to deal double damage with Fiddle's ult at level 16. Doesn't matter if it applies to every tick, double is still double. Not may spells have such a bad AP ratio. Cho's Feast being a notable exception with 1600 AP for double damage, but it's true damage.


If you hit somebody with the full five seconds you get 1.75 damage per target per point of ap. It doesn't matter how it compares to the base damage, that's a good ratio.

It does matter because Magic Resist decreases / Magic Penetration increases the damage by a factor. In Fiddle's case, you will most likely get much more damage out of MPen than AP.

You also have to consider the cooldown or rather the number of spells you can cast during a battle. For example Kassadin can often spam his E and R 5+ times during a single fight, giving him decent damage for his AP. Fiddle's ult is a once per fight thing and therefore you don't get very much damage per AP even if you hit it for the full duration.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-31 09:29:24
December 31 2010 09:24 GMT
#3215
Hey guys, could you vote for me?
http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/apple is a
[image loading]
Bottom right, I'm literally losing to a guy with -4k winnings. The kid is clearly making accounts and voting for himself =/

You just need a FB account and 10 seconds to register a PTR account
i get 1k$ if i win
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
December 31 2010 10:30 GMT
#3216
It took me fucking 10 minutes but I voted

vote or die
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 31 2010 10:45 GMT
#3217
On December 31 2010 13:39 Abenson wrote:
More skin help please :3
So I have no skins on ashe, does that mean I can only use the original custom skin?

You have to rename the one you want to use to the default one.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
December 31 2010 11:41 GMT
#3218
On December 31 2010 19:30 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
It took me fucking 10 minutes but I voted

vote or die

www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 31 2010 11:51 GMT
#3219
On December 31 2010 19:30 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
It took me fucking 10 seconds but I voted

vote or die

gogo ezpz!
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Lunek
Profile Joined October 2010
Poland164 Posts
December 31 2010 11:54 GMT
#3220
Since Ez posted this screenshot, he got 4 votes, when his lane opponent got 1! We can do it, lets gank him
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