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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-04 19:49:44
September 04 2016 19:15 GMT
#1801
Man, it really just struck me how three of Naventics players look exceedingly like each other.

EDIT: Lol, this is Dominance vs. Dominance.

If they throw this it will be a god tier throw.

This is a god tier fucking throw.

They win and its STILL a god tier motherfucking throw.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46234 Posts
September 04 2016 19:48 GMT
#1802
MG vs. Naventic game two. Watch it.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46234 Posts
September 04 2016 19:50 GMT
#1803
On September 05 2016 04:15 Zambrah wrote:
Man, it really just struck me how three of Naventics players look exceedingly like each other.


Well two are brothers, although I do think that all three big guys look similar ( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/heroes/Team_Naventic ).
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
September 04 2016 19:57 GMT
#1804
On September 05 2016 04:15 Zambrah wrote:
Man, it really just struck me how three of Naventics players look exceedingly like each other.


You really aren't lying when you say you "don't see skin color", huh? O.o

On September 05 2016 04:15 Zambrah wrote:
EDIT: Lol, this is Dominance vs. Dominance.

If they throw this it will be a god tier throw.

This is a god tier fucking throw.

They win and its STILL a god tier motherfucking throw.


I actually don't think it's a throw at all. NVT just started playing their comp really well midway through the game. The Aegis/Sanct combo was working perfectly to counter MG burst, and then they could just outsustain with BW/Auriel. Overall, really great play from both teams, was fascinating to watch both of them react to each other and evolve throughout the match.
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
September 04 2016 20:13 GMT
#1805
That game was SO stupid, lol, the greatest.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46234 Posts
September 04 2016 20:13 GMT
#1806
Game three was indeed absolutely stupid; SO glad that that strategy didn't work lol.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
September 04 2016 20:14 GMT
#1807
On September 05 2016 04:57 SC2John wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2016 04:15 Zambrah wrote:
Man, it really just struck me how three of Naventics players look exceedingly like each other.


You really aren't lying when you say you "don't see skin color", huh? O.o

Show nested quote +
On September 05 2016 04:15 Zambrah wrote:
EDIT: Lol, this is Dominance vs. Dominance.

If they throw this it will be a god tier throw.

This is a god tier fucking throw.

They win and its STILL a god tier motherfucking throw.


I actually don't think it's a throw at all. NVT just started playing their comp really well midway through the game. The Aegis/Sanct combo was working perfectly to counter MG burst, and then they could just outsustain with BW/Auriel. Overall, really great play from both teams, was fascinating to watch both of them react to each other and evolve throughout the match.


I certainly don't disagree that NVT played thoroughly excellent moreso than Murlocs played poorly, but I just can't consider a swing in advantage that hard (on that map in particular) anything less than a throw. No logic, pure emotion. <3
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
September 04 2016 20:15 GMT
#1808
NA is so entertaining. It's like encasing two teams of 5 medieval knights in so much armour that they can't see, giving them huge weapons, and watching them flail around trying to kill the other team.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
September 04 2016 20:15 GMT
#1809
lol what a dumb cheese strategy when your team was favored and they could have flown in to core at any time, to race when other team is already at your base.
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
September 04 2016 20:24 GMT
#1810
I don't think I've ever seen NVT win when they've drafted Illidan...
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
September 04 2016 20:28 GMT
#1811
Hey Guys Assuming, Merlocs wins this event. Who goes to blizzcon?

Would GFE and Denial have to play a set, for both getting 2nd and dying in the group stage, at subsequent events?
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EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
September 04 2016 20:30 GMT
#1812
On September 05 2016 05:15 Larkin wrote:
NA is so entertaining. It's like encasing two teams of 5 medieval knights in so much armour that they can't see, giving them huge weapons, and watching them flail around trying to kill the other team.


Okay, you get a guest appearance now. You earned it.

On September 05 2016 05:24 Larkin wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen NVT win when they've drafted Illidan...


They have at least one! My stats are a bit incomplete right now, but I don't think they do badly with Illidan overall.
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
September 04 2016 20:32 GMT
#1813
On September 05 2016 05:28 Cyanocyst wrote:
Hey Guys Assuming, Merlocs wins this event. Who goes to blizzcon?

Would GFE and Denial have to play a set, for both getting 2nd and dying in the group stage, at subsequent events?


Yes, that's correct. That's the situation in EU where Dignitas won twice in a row last week. Misfits (mYi) had to play Fnatic for the seed at BlizzCon and lost, despite coming in 2nd at the tournament.
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
September 04 2016 20:38 GMT
#1814
On September 05 2016 05:30 SC2John wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2016 05:15 Larkin wrote:
NA is so entertaining. It's like encasing two teams of 5 medieval knights in so much armour that they can't see, giving them huge weapons, and watching them flail around trying to kill the other team.


Okay, you get a guest appearance now. You earned it.

Show nested quote +
On September 05 2016 05:24 Larkin wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen NVT win when they've drafted Illidan...


They have at least one! My stats are a bit incomplete right now, but I don't think they do badly with Illidan overall.


I'll take it. I love seeing NVT play when they're pissed off. So aggressive.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
September 04 2016 20:38 GMT
#1815
That's the first time they have played Illidan without Fan on him.
Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-04 20:46:25
September 04 2016 20:45 GMT
#1816
On September 05 2016 05:32 SC2John wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2016 05:28 Cyanocyst wrote:
Hey Guys Assuming, Merlocs wins this event. Who goes to blizzcon?

Would GFE and Denial have to play a set, for both getting 2nd and dying in the group stage, at subsequent events?


Yes, that's correct. That's the situation in EU where Dignitas won twice in a row last week. Misfits (mYi) had to play Fnatic for the seed at BlizzCon and lost, despite coming in 2nd at the tournament.


I guess the problem i see is in that scenario, is say Naventic looses here so they have two times they lost in the simi finals.

And Both Denial have one 2nd and one 3rd place in group stage which is like 5-6 place.

So if we average it out. Naventic would be at like a solid 3.5 place. and Both Denial and GFE would be at like 5.5 + 2 = 7.5 / 2 = 3.75 place.


SO oddly Naventics consistency could reasonably be argued as being more valuable than the aggregate finish of Denial or GFE.

..hope we get at Denial / Nav finals so we don't have to deal with this.
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EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
September 04 2016 20:52 GMT
#1817
On September 05 2016 05:45 Cyanocyst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2016 05:32 SC2John wrote:
On September 05 2016 05:28 Cyanocyst wrote:
Hey Guys Assuming, Merlocs wins this event. Who goes to blizzcon?

Would GFE and Denial have to play a set, for both getting 2nd and dying in the group stage, at subsequent events?


Yes, that's correct. That's the situation in EU where Dignitas won twice in a row last week. Misfits (mYi) had to play Fnatic for the seed at BlizzCon and lost, despite coming in 2nd at the tournament.


I guess the problem i see is in that scenario, is say Naventic looses here so they have two times they lost in the simi finals.

And Both Denial have one 2nd and one 3rd place in group stage which is like 5-6 place.

So if we average it out. Naventic would be at like a solid 3.5 place. and Both Denial and GFE would be at like 5.5 + 2 = 7.5 / 2 = 3.75 place.


SO oddly Naventics consistency could reasonably be argued as being more valuable than the aggregate finish of Denial or GFE.

..hope we get at Denial / Nav finals so we don't have to deal with this.


That's understandable. In any case, it's the only way I can see them doing qualifier spots fairly (I've actually spent a lot of time thinking about this). Since there's two regionals, it only makes sense that the 2nd place winners from each tournament face each other for the second seed. There's not really a fair way to do it otherwise.

That said, I'm not a huge fan of the HGC format anyway. I think it's pretty wonky the way the rules work and I would be much happier with a WCS-like system where teams accumulate points over the course of the year that determine their seeding for BlizzCon. The only problem with that idea is that the Heroes scene is probably still too unstable to support something like that, though something like that might be an incentive for rosters to stick together longer instead of just reshuffling after every major tournament.
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
September 04 2016 21:08 GMT
#1818
Man, I really hate the catapault change. So many exciting games are just dulled by them (not that they were what won that game for MG, but generally speaking)
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-04 21:12:17
September 04 2016 21:10 GMT
#1819
Naventic is out of Blizzcon, Gale Force still has a chance, though losing to Astral Authority yesterday doesn't give much hope for their chances even if they get one.

I definitely prefer Korea's super league set up for qualifications over the double regional set up.
Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-04 21:22:17
September 04 2016 21:21 GMT
#1820
On September 05 2016 05:52 SC2John wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2016 05:45 Cyanocyst wrote:
On September 05 2016 05:32 SC2John wrote:
On September 05 2016 05:28 Cyanocyst wrote:
Hey Guys Assuming, Merlocs wins this event. Who goes to blizzcon?

Would GFE and Denial have to play a set, for both getting 2nd and dying in the group stage, at subsequent events?


Yes, that's correct. That's the situation in EU where Dignitas won twice in a row last week. Misfits (mYi) had to play Fnatic for the seed at BlizzCon and lost, despite coming in 2nd at the tournament.


I guess the problem i see is in that scenario, is say Naventic looses here so they have two times they lost in the simi finals.

And Both Denial have one 2nd and one 3rd place in group stage which is like 5-6 place.

So if we average it out. Naventic would be at like a solid 3.5 place. and Both Denial and GFE would be at like 5.5 + 2 = 7.5 / 2 = 3.75 place.


SO oddly Naventics consistency could reasonably be argued as being more valuable than the aggregate finish of Denial or GFE.

..hope we get at Denial / Nav finals so we don't have to deal with this.


That's understandable. In any case, it's the only way I can see them doing qualifier spots fairly (I've actually spent a lot of time thinking about this). Since there's two regionals, it only makes sense that the 2nd place winners from each tournament face each other for the second seed. There's not really a fair way to do it otherwise.

That said, I'm not a huge fan of the HGC format anyway. I think it's pretty wonky the way the rules work and I would be much happier with a WCS-like system where teams accumulate points over the course of the year that determine their seeding for BlizzCon. The only problem with that idea is that the Heroes scene is probably still too unstable to support something like that, though something like that might be an incentive for rosters to stick together longer instead of just reshuffling after every major tournament.

I guess i would rather just have a system where points are allotted for how you placed at events.

Like what would've happened if Merlocs lost in the looser match of their group? Surely there would have been other more solid performances between the two tournaments from other teams.

Not to say i don't value winning. Just allot a particular amount of points for regional wins and so forth down the line, But i feel if one team got two 2nd places should be more valued than a 1st and 7-8th place finish.

Sure its unlikely, but you can see how the system is potentially flawed in these extreme scenarios.

..I guess i wouldnt mind giving away spots to blizzcon for Global winners, that only seems right, or at least so many points that they would need to just get wrecked in to 2 regional tournaments to disqualify themselves.
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