EPTOn September 29 2010 08:05 Mortality wrote:
I'll eat my own fecal matter if you can find even 5 members of Congress -- on either side of the aisle -- who are truly honorable.
And it always surprises me how people on this forum claim that "liberal" is viewed as a dirty word. Where the hell do you people live? Because everywhere I go "conservative" is the word that's taboo. "Conservative" gets equated with ultra-religious fundamentalist lunatic evangelists and utter morons like Glenn Beck who make such retarded arguments that you cannot help but wonder if they are secretly playing for the other team. That's not what defines a conservative anymore than the most extreme animal liberation groups and literal tree-hugging hippies represent being a liberal. But on this board, "conservative" seems to be interpreted as "Glenn Beck wannabe."
To enzym: regarding opposition to Obama and his supposed ability to always find common ground... I don't know whether to laugh or to cry that you believe all of that.
To Sadist: regarding job loss, you know that CLINTON (D) signed NAFTA, right? And quite frankly, I agree with Clinton's decision and find it silly to blame our current economic problems on a treaty signed 20 years ago that helped America reach the height of its power. The short-sightedness of America's leaders in DC and NY today is the matter that concerns me.
I'll eat my own fecal matter if you can find even 5 members of Congress -- on either side of the aisle -- who are truly honorable.
And it always surprises me how people on this forum claim that "liberal" is viewed as a dirty word. Where the hell do you people live? Because everywhere I go "conservative" is the word that's taboo. "Conservative" gets equated with ultra-religious fundamentalist lunatic evangelists and utter morons like Glenn Beck who make such retarded arguments that you cannot help but wonder if they are secretly playing for the other team. That's not what defines a conservative anymore than the most extreme animal liberation groups and literal tree-hugging hippies represent being a liberal. But on this board, "conservative" seems to be interpreted as "Glenn Beck wannabe."
To enzym: regarding opposition to Obama and his supposed ability to always find common ground... I don't know whether to laugh or to cry that you believe all of that.
To Sadist: regarding job loss, you know that CLINTON (D) signed NAFTA, right? And quite frankly, I agree with Clinton's decision and find it silly to blame our current economic problems on a treaty signed 20 years ago that helped America reach the height of its power. The short-sightedness of America's leaders in DC and NY today is the matter that concerns me.
Yes I do know Clinton signed it and it basically ruined Michigan. We felt the recession coming before ANYONE. The housing market crash gave everyone a taste of what its been like here for 10 years. Basically if you were lucky enough to work at GM, Ford, or Chrysler you were ok until the real recession hit, if you worked at a supplier (like most people) NAFTA basically fucked you. When shit started to get tight the Big 3 passed on the cost to the suppliers like they always do to avoid shit hitting the fan for as long as possible. Suppliers had to do things faster, cheaper etc. Lots either went bankrupt, paid their workers consistently lower wages, or went to mexico.
Many people since the recession have lost their job to mexico or canada due to nafta. Yes jobs have come back a bit at the supplier level, but the wages are INCREDIBLY low compared to what they used to be. Working on the line that would pay like 15-20$ at a supplier before now pays close to 10. I dont know how people afford the homes that they live in here unless they bunch up and live together.
You had guys sweeping the floor at GM making $30 while the suppliers get fucked.
People cant support a family on $10 an hour. You know part of the reason the big 3 started to fail is the majority of their customers worked at their damn factories or at a supplier. When those people dont have jobs anymore who the hell is going to buy your cars?
