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On July 30 2024 00:38 a_ch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2024 19:08 Jones313 wrote:On July 28 2024 16:46 a_ch wrote:On July 28 2024 15:03 JoinTheRain wrote:On July 28 2024 06:49 KwarK wrote:
Once the cycle starts there isn't a good way of stopping it. They may well be fucked. Russia being fucked is all well and good. However I kind of feel like China and India might have the means as well as the desire to support Russian monetary schemes while getting something lucrative in return, be it ridiculously cheap resources or some technologies. But once they've had enough and call their loans, Russia should truly be screwed. -I hope you can imagine how pathetic this looks from the other side: a poor man, brainwashed to the core, wishing death to the people he never gets to know. Weren't you the one declaring how you unequivocally support the invasion - as in the mass murder and displacement of Ukrainians - ever since Ukraine started removing elements of Russian culture (within their own country), and this was after Russians had started their mass murder campaign? Now you're out here whining about brainwashed westerners wishing harm on Russia. I hope you can imagine how pathetic this looks from the other side. Personally I would like Russia to get fucked - to the point where you lose your ability to terrorize and subjugate other people. Also consider the fact that ultimately it's not the west that's doing this to you. Russia mostly just fucks itself. You're a perpetual victim lashing out at everyone besides the people actually fucking you over. -give me a quote where I do. And if not, I expect your excuses here.
On May 19 2024 08:20 a_ch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2024 23:00 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:On May 18 2024 21:16 a_ch wrote:On May 18 2024 20:11 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Propaganda and soft influence is not a mind control laser and events such as Maidan require if not a majority in the population at least enough public and central support to succeed -you greately underestimate these things that you call the "soft power". The color revolution is a well-known technology, authored by Sharp, which is deeply disturbing at its immorality. In the case of Ukrainian Maidan revolt, for example, the provocateurs had killed 100 protesters as a false flag operation to enrage the remaining mass. This is perfectly clear now, as the criminal prosecution of this matter has been closed by the new government in Ukraine. This is also why your point of "majority of population" is not entirely valid; all that is needed for a coup is to gather a crowd of ~100000 people, which does not even have to be representative of any ideas that the aspiring leaders plan to implement; for example - the ban of russian language Even your rhetoric about the "dicator in Syria" shows an evidence that you are under the spell, because once you start to research, you'll see that modern day "dictatorship vs democracy" is a false dichotomia. For example, the current regime in Ukraine is by all means far more dictatorial, than Assad's at any timepoint OK, you think it's justified because "no agency due to orbital mind control lasers*." *or other equivalent methods. -no, this is my knowledge long after the start of the war, now that I'm completely convinced in these claims. The thing that has justified the war for me is the idea that everything russian - including state, culture and mentality has to be demolished; this was quite popular in media in 2022, especially after Ukraine has had a series of successes.>>your rhetoric about the "dicator in Syria" shows -sorry, my typo here
I got lucky but still, more time spent than anyone ever should.
Am I supposed to believe you've changed your views on this and you forgot you held these views two months ago?
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On July 30 2024 02:52 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2024 00:42 zeo wrote:On July 28 2024 16:46 a_ch wrote:On July 28 2024 15:03 JoinTheRain wrote:On July 28 2024 06:49 KwarK wrote:
Once the cycle starts there isn't a good way of stopping it. They may well be fucked. Russia being fucked is all well and good. However I kind of feel like China and India might have the means as well as the desire to support Russian monetary schemes while getting something lucrative in return, be it ridiculously cheap resources or some technologies. But once they've had enough and call their loans, Russia should truly be screwed. -I hope you can imagine how pathetic this looks from the other side: a poor man, brainwashed to the core, wishing death to the people he never gets to know. Why would anyone care what someone whos life revolves around Reddit upvotes and being a shill for the next new shiny cause says or thinks or does for that matter? Let the dogs bark, no one takes them seriously outside their bubble. Listening to a 40 year old social reject that hasn't had proper exercise in the last decade talk about 'Russians fertilizing the soil', 'a grandma took down a SU-57 with a pickle jar hell yeah!', 'its a 30-1 kill ratio woah! we are winning so hard we need to mobilize 500.000 people to cover our 10k casualties, take that Putin trolls! *pushes glasses up nose*' ;that 100year old sail boat we sunk in the Black Sea 7 months ago was such a win, nothing happened since then, absolutely nothing!'. - Its not even funny, the average joe feels a deep deep pity and sadness for the people these (nafo) dogs are shoving in front of the bullets. They won't stop 'winning' in their minds until the last Ukrainian is dead. Then again, that's a problem the Ukrainians have, not you. EDIT: T-t-the Russian economy is really a goner this time guys, I swear!, not like the other 24 times I said the same thing over the last two years. Not like the China is collapsing for real this time articles I've been smoking for the last 17 years. It's totally true this time guys, I heard it from a guy on Youtube User was temp banned for this post. Man NATO really did a number on you eh? In a more general query sense to the general thread denizens, are Ukraine kind of fucked if the White House switches parties? Add to that, while not necessarily seizing power there are quite a few European countries where parties who aren’t enthusiasts for supporting Ukrainian efforts making gains. It seems to this relatively uneducated observer that even with current commitments maintained, you’re somewhat at an interminable stalemate. If they’re withdrawn it doesn’t look especially pretty Thanks in advance
Ukraine is struggling just to maintain the "stalemate". Even with an unforeseen surge in support, there just aren't enough Ukrainians willing to be shipped to the front lines or getting trained well enough when they get pushed there to sustain this.
In the context of losing a couple frontline villages recently, Ukrainian commanders are seeing the writing on the wall.
Oleksandr Shyrshyn, the 47th brigade’s deputy battalion commander, confirmed to local media that the villages had been taken. He blamed poor training of troops, low abilities of officers, motivation and inadequate weapons for the setbacks.
thehill.com
When you consider nearly half the country doesn't see any shame in draft dodging, it's unlikely to be something they can fix any time soon.
In a late June poll conducted by the Kyiv-based Razumkov Center, about 46 percent of respondents said there is no shame in being a draft dodger, while 29 percent held the opposite opinion, and 25 percent found it difficult to answer.
www.rferl.org
Maybe Ukraine can get some big surge of support somehow that can boost their negotiating position, but otherwise, I'd say their position is pretty much only going to get worse and it'll get less appealing to Russia to settle for part of Ukraine every day it continues.
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On July 30 2024 03:32 Jones313 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2024 00:38 a_ch wrote:On July 28 2024 19:08 Jones313 wrote:On July 28 2024 16:46 a_ch wrote:On July 28 2024 15:03 JoinTheRain wrote:On July 28 2024 06:49 KwarK wrote:
Once the cycle starts there isn't a good way of stopping it. They may well be fucked. Russia being fucked is all well and good. However I kind of feel like China and India might have the means as well as the desire to support Russian monetary schemes while getting something lucrative in return, be it ridiculously cheap resources or some technologies. But once they've had enough and call their loans, Russia should truly be screwed. -I hope you can imagine how pathetic this looks from the other side: a poor man, brainwashed to the core, wishing death to the people he never gets to know. Weren't you the one declaring how you unequivocally support the invasion - as in the mass murder and displacement of Ukrainians - ever since Ukraine started removing elements of Russian culture (within their own country), and this was after Russians had started their mass murder campaign? Now you're out here whining about brainwashed westerners wishing harm on Russia. I hope you can imagine how pathetic this looks from the other side. Personally I would like Russia to get fucked - to the point where you lose your ability to terrorize and subjugate other people. Also consider the fact that ultimately it's not the west that's doing this to you. Russia mostly just fucks itself. You're a perpetual victim lashing out at everyone besides the people actually fucking you over. -give me a quote where I do. And if not, I expect your excuses here. Show nested quote +On May 19 2024 08:20 a_ch wrote:On May 18 2024 23:00 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:On May 18 2024 21:16 a_ch wrote:On May 18 2024 20:11 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Propaganda and soft influence is not a mind control laser and events such as Maidan require if not a majority in the population at least enough public and central support to succeed -you greately underestimate these things that you call the "soft power". The color revolution is a well-known technology, authored by Sharp, which is deeply disturbing at its immorality. In the case of Ukrainian Maidan revolt, for example, the provocateurs had killed 100 protesters as a false flag operation to enrage the remaining mass. This is perfectly clear now, as the criminal prosecution of this matter has been closed by the new government in Ukraine. This is also why your point of "majority of population" is not entirely valid; all that is needed for a coup is to gather a crowd of ~100000 people, which does not even have to be representative of any ideas that the aspiring leaders plan to implement; for example - the ban of russian language Even your rhetoric about the "dicator in Syria" shows an evidence that you are under the spell, because once you start to research, you'll see that modern day "dictatorship vs democracy" is a false dichotomia. For example, the current regime in Ukraine is by all means far more dictatorial, than Assad's at any timepoint OK, you think it's justified because "no agency due to orbital mind control lasers*." *or other equivalent methods. -no, this is my knowledge long after the start of the war, now that I'm completely convinced in these claims. The thing that has justified the war for me is the idea that everything russian - including state, culture and mentality has to be demolished; this was quite popular in media in 2022, especially after Ukraine has had a series of successes.>>your rhetoric about the "dicator in Syria" shows -sorry, my typo here I got lucky but still, more time spent than anyone ever should. Am I supposed to believe you've changed your views on this and you forgot you held these views two months ago?
>>"Weren't you the one declaring how you unequivocally support the invasion - as in the mass murder and displacement of Ukrainians"
-people here blame me for problems with reading comprehension, but it looks like I'm not the only one with such problems.
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On July 30 2024 03:10 a_ch wrote:
I'm not buying into lame emotional shit.
No, you just try to sell it. Great dodge, you misunderstood wide-eyed puppy appointed to genocide by evil westerners.
Oh, and I have something very substantional to say abou this topic.
You can fys.
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On July 30 2024 03:55 hitthat wrote:No, you just try to sell it. Great dodge, you misunderstood wide-eyed puppy appointed to genocide by evil westerners. Oh, and I have something very substantional to say abou this topic. You can fys.
>>No, you just try to sell it.
-if you dont see the difference between factual information (Kupyansk events are easily verifyable outside your propaganda echochamber) and your yapping - that's your problem, not mine
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Northern Ireland23094 Posts
On July 30 2024 03:42 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2024 02:52 WombaT wrote:On July 30 2024 00:42 zeo wrote:On July 28 2024 16:46 a_ch wrote:On July 28 2024 15:03 JoinTheRain wrote:On July 28 2024 06:49 KwarK wrote:
Once the cycle starts there isn't a good way of stopping it. They may well be fucked. Russia being fucked is all well and good. However I kind of feel like China and India might have the means as well as the desire to support Russian monetary schemes while getting something lucrative in return, be it ridiculously cheap resources or some technologies. But once they've had enough and call their loans, Russia should truly be screwed. -I hope you can imagine how pathetic this looks from the other side: a poor man, brainwashed to the core, wishing death to the people he never gets to know. Why would anyone care what someone whos life revolves around Reddit upvotes and being a shill for the next new shiny cause says or thinks or does for that matter? Let the dogs bark, no one takes them seriously outside their bubble. Listening to a 40 year old social reject that hasn't had proper exercise in the last decade talk about 'Russians fertilizing the soil', 'a grandma took down a SU-57 with a pickle jar hell yeah!', 'its a 30-1 kill ratio woah! we are winning so hard we need to mobilize 500.000 people to cover our 10k casualties, take that Putin trolls! *pushes glasses up nose*' ;that 100year old sail boat we sunk in the Black Sea 7 months ago was such a win, nothing happened since then, absolutely nothing!'. - Its not even funny, the average joe feels a deep deep pity and sadness for the people these (nafo) dogs are shoving in front of the bullets. They won't stop 'winning' in their minds until the last Ukrainian is dead. Then again, that's a problem the Ukrainians have, not you. EDIT: T-t-the Russian economy is really a goner this time guys, I swear!, not like the other 24 times I said the same thing over the last two years. Not like the China is collapsing for real this time articles I've been smoking for the last 17 years. It's totally true this time guys, I heard it from a guy on Youtube User was temp banned for this post. Man NATO really did a number on you eh? In a more general query sense to the general thread denizens, are Ukraine kind of fucked if the White House switches parties? Add to that, while not necessarily seizing power there are quite a few European countries where parties who aren’t enthusiasts for supporting Ukrainian efforts making gains. It seems to this relatively uneducated observer that even with current commitments maintained, you’re somewhat at an interminable stalemate. If they’re withdrawn it doesn’t look especially pretty Thanks in advance Ukraine is struggling just to maintain the "stalemate". Even with an unforeseen surge in support, there just aren't enough Ukrainians willing to be shipped to the front lines or getting trained well enough when they get pushed there to sustain this. In the context of losing a couple frontline villages recently, Ukrainian commanders are seeing the writing on the wall. Show nested quote +Oleksandr Shyrshyn, the 47th brigade’s deputy battalion commander, confirmed to local media that the villages had been taken. He blamed poor training of troops, low abilities of officers, motivation and inadequate weapons for the setbacks. thehill.comWhen you consider nearly half the country doesn't see any shame in draft dodging, it's unlikely to be something they can fix any time soon. Show nested quote +In a late June poll conducted by the Kyiv-based Razumkov Center, about 46 percent of respondents said there is no shame in being a draft dodger, while 29 percent held the opposite opinion, and 25 percent found it difficult to answer. www.rferl.orgMaybe Ukraine can get some big surge of support somehow that can boost their negotiating position, but otherwise, I'd say their position is pretty much only going to get worse and it'll get less appealing to Russia to settle for part of Ukraine every day it continues.
I don’t think there’s shame in throwing a fake sickie for work in the abstract. It’s not something I ever personally do for various reasons, despite that being my attitude. I’m sure there’s some decent correlation but atttiudes don’t necessarily equate to tangible actions.
Most folks think conscientious objection is a fine, noble and admirable thing. If it comes to wartime with a draft, how many actually would do it?
That aside yeah prospects look pretty bleak all-round, agreed there
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Northern Ireland23094 Posts
On July 30 2024 03:47 a_ch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2024 03:32 Jones313 wrote:On July 30 2024 00:38 a_ch wrote:On July 28 2024 19:08 Jones313 wrote:On July 28 2024 16:46 a_ch wrote:On July 28 2024 15:03 JoinTheRain wrote:On July 28 2024 06:49 KwarK wrote:
Once the cycle starts there isn't a good way of stopping it. They may well be fucked. Russia being fucked is all well and good. However I kind of feel like China and India might have the means as well as the desire to support Russian monetary schemes while getting something lucrative in return, be it ridiculously cheap resources or some technologies. But once they've had enough and call their loans, Russia should truly be screwed. -I hope you can imagine how pathetic this looks from the other side: a poor man, brainwashed to the core, wishing death to the people he never gets to know. Weren't you the one declaring how you unequivocally support the invasion - as in the mass murder and displacement of Ukrainians - ever since Ukraine started removing elements of Russian culture (within their own country), and this was after Russians had started their mass murder campaign? Now you're out here whining about brainwashed westerners wishing harm on Russia. I hope you can imagine how pathetic this looks from the other side. Personally I would like Russia to get fucked - to the point where you lose your ability to terrorize and subjugate other people. Also consider the fact that ultimately it's not the west that's doing this to you. Russia mostly just fucks itself. You're a perpetual victim lashing out at everyone besides the people actually fucking you over. -give me a quote where I do. And if not, I expect your excuses here. On May 19 2024 08:20 a_ch wrote:On May 18 2024 23:00 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:On May 18 2024 21:16 a_ch wrote:On May 18 2024 20:11 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Propaganda and soft influence is not a mind control laser and events such as Maidan require if not a majority in the population at least enough public and central support to succeed -you greately underestimate these things that you call the "soft power". The color revolution is a well-known technology, authored by Sharp, which is deeply disturbing at its immorality. In the case of Ukrainian Maidan revolt, for example, the provocateurs had killed 100 protesters as a false flag operation to enrage the remaining mass. This is perfectly clear now, as the criminal prosecution of this matter has been closed by the new government in Ukraine. This is also why your point of "majority of population" is not entirely valid; all that is needed for a coup is to gather a crowd of ~100000 people, which does not even have to be representative of any ideas that the aspiring leaders plan to implement; for example - the ban of russian language Even your rhetoric about the "dicator in Syria" shows an evidence that you are under the spell, because once you start to research, you'll see that modern day "dictatorship vs democracy" is a false dichotomia. For example, the current regime in Ukraine is by all means far more dictatorial, than Assad's at any timepoint OK, you think it's justified because "no agency due to orbital mind control lasers*." *or other equivalent methods. -no, this is my knowledge long after the start of the war, now that I'm completely convinced in these claims. The thing that has justified the war for me is the idea that everything russian - including state, culture and mentality has to be demolished; this was quite popular in media in 2022, especially after Ukraine has had a series of successes.>>your rhetoric about the "dicator in Syria" shows -sorry, my typo here I got lucky but still, more time spent than anyone ever should. Am I supposed to believe you've changed your views on this and you forgot you held these views two months ago? >>"Weren't you the one declaring how you unequivocally support the invasion - as in the mass murder and displacement of Ukrainians" -people here blame me for problems with reading comprehension, but it looks like I'm not the only one with such problems.
You appeared to say the invasion was justified, in that particular quote so is it inaccurate or has your position changed?
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On July 30 2024 03:47 a_ch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2024 03:32 Jones313 wrote:On July 30 2024 00:38 a_ch wrote:On July 28 2024 19:08 Jones313 wrote:On July 28 2024 16:46 a_ch wrote:On July 28 2024 15:03 JoinTheRain wrote:On July 28 2024 06:49 KwarK wrote:
Once the cycle starts there isn't a good way of stopping it. They may well be fucked. Russia being fucked is all well and good. However I kind of feel like China and India might have the means as well as the desire to support Russian monetary schemes while getting something lucrative in return, be it ridiculously cheap resources or some technologies. But once they've had enough and call their loans, Russia should truly be screwed. -I hope you can imagine how pathetic this looks from the other side: a poor man, brainwashed to the core, wishing death to the people he never gets to know. Weren't you the one declaring how you unequivocally support the invasion - as in the mass murder and displacement of Ukrainians - ever since Ukraine started removing elements of Russian culture (within their own country), and this was after Russians had started their mass murder campaign? Now you're out here whining about brainwashed westerners wishing harm on Russia. I hope you can imagine how pathetic this looks from the other side. Personally I would like Russia to get fucked - to the point where you lose your ability to terrorize and subjugate other people. Also consider the fact that ultimately it's not the west that's doing this to you. Russia mostly just fucks itself. You're a perpetual victim lashing out at everyone besides the people actually fucking you over. -give me a quote where I do. And if not, I expect your excuses here. On May 19 2024 08:20 a_ch wrote:On May 18 2024 23:00 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:On May 18 2024 21:16 a_ch wrote:On May 18 2024 20:11 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Propaganda and soft influence is not a mind control laser and events such as Maidan require if not a majority in the population at least enough public and central support to succeed -you greately underestimate these things that you call the "soft power". The color revolution is a well-known technology, authored by Sharp, which is deeply disturbing at its immorality. In the case of Ukrainian Maidan revolt, for example, the provocateurs had killed 100 protesters as a false flag operation to enrage the remaining mass. This is perfectly clear now, as the criminal prosecution of this matter has been closed by the new government in Ukraine. This is also why your point of "majority of population" is not entirely valid; all that is needed for a coup is to gather a crowd of ~100000 people, which does not even have to be representative of any ideas that the aspiring leaders plan to implement; for example - the ban of russian language Even your rhetoric about the "dicator in Syria" shows an evidence that you are under the spell, because once you start to research, you'll see that modern day "dictatorship vs democracy" is a false dichotomia. For example, the current regime in Ukraine is by all means far more dictatorial, than Assad's at any timepoint OK, you think it's justified because "no agency due to orbital mind control lasers*." *or other equivalent methods. -no, this is my knowledge long after the start of the war, now that I'm completely convinced in these claims. The thing that has justified the war for me is the idea that everything russian - including state, culture and mentality has to be demolished; this was quite popular in media in 2022, especially after Ukraine has had a series of successes.>>your rhetoric about the "dicator in Syria" shows -sorry, my typo here I got lucky but still, more time spent than anyone ever should. Am I supposed to believe you've changed your views on this and you forgot you held these views two months ago? >>"Weren't you the one declaring how you unequivocally support the invasion - as in the mass murder and displacement of Ukrainians" -people here blame me for problems with reading comprehension, but it looks like I'm not the only one with such problems.
I think I got it. You support the war but not the killing. Next you'll be telling me you support Putin but not fascism.
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On July 30 2024 04:50 Jones313 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2024 03:47 a_ch wrote:On July 30 2024 03:32 Jones313 wrote:On July 30 2024 00:38 a_ch wrote:On July 28 2024 19:08 Jones313 wrote:On July 28 2024 16:46 a_ch wrote:On July 28 2024 15:03 JoinTheRain wrote:On July 28 2024 06:49 KwarK wrote:
Once the cycle starts there isn't a good way of stopping it. They may well be fucked. Russia being fucked is all well and good. However I kind of feel like China and India might have the means as well as the desire to support Russian monetary schemes while getting something lucrative in return, be it ridiculously cheap resources or some technologies. But once they've had enough and call their loans, Russia should truly be screwed. -I hope you can imagine how pathetic this looks from the other side: a poor man, brainwashed to the core, wishing death to the people he never gets to know. Weren't you the one declaring how you unequivocally support the invasion - as in the mass murder and displacement of Ukrainians - ever since Ukraine started removing elements of Russian culture (within their own country), and this was after Russians had started their mass murder campaign? Now you're out here whining about brainwashed westerners wishing harm on Russia. I hope you can imagine how pathetic this looks from the other side. Personally I would like Russia to get fucked - to the point where you lose your ability to terrorize and subjugate other people. Also consider the fact that ultimately it's not the west that's doing this to you. Russia mostly just fucks itself. You're a perpetual victim lashing out at everyone besides the people actually fucking you over. -give me a quote where I do. And if not, I expect your excuses here. On May 19 2024 08:20 a_ch wrote:On May 18 2024 23:00 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:On May 18 2024 21:16 a_ch wrote:On May 18 2024 20:11 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Propaganda and soft influence is not a mind control laser and events such as Maidan require if not a majority in the population at least enough public and central support to succeed -you greately underestimate these things that you call the "soft power". The color revolution is a well-known technology, authored by Sharp, which is deeply disturbing at its immorality. In the case of Ukrainian Maidan revolt, for example, the provocateurs had killed 100 protesters as a false flag operation to enrage the remaining mass. This is perfectly clear now, as the criminal prosecution of this matter has been closed by the new government in Ukraine. This is also why your point of "majority of population" is not entirely valid; all that is needed for a coup is to gather a crowd of ~100000 people, which does not even have to be representative of any ideas that the aspiring leaders plan to implement; for example - the ban of russian language Even your rhetoric about the "dicator in Syria" shows an evidence that you are under the spell, because once you start to research, you'll see that modern day "dictatorship vs democracy" is a false dichotomia. For example, the current regime in Ukraine is by all means far more dictatorial, than Assad's at any timepoint OK, you think it's justified because "no agency due to orbital mind control lasers*." *or other equivalent methods. -no, this is my knowledge long after the start of the war, now that I'm completely convinced in these claims. The thing that has justified the war for me is the idea that everything russian - including state, culture and mentality has to be demolished; this was quite popular in media in 2022, especially after Ukraine has had a series of successes.>>your rhetoric about the "dicator in Syria" shows -sorry, my typo here I got lucky but still, more time spent than anyone ever should. Am I supposed to believe you've changed your views on this and you forgot you held these views two months ago? >>"Weren't you the one declaring how you unequivocally support the invasion - as in the mass murder and displacement of Ukrainians" -people here blame me for problems with reading comprehension, but it looks like I'm not the only one with such problems. I think I got it. You support the war but not the killing. Next you'll be telling me you support Putin but not fascism.
Russian fascists are a very curious bunch. ;-)
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On July 30 2024 04:48 WombaT wrote:
You appeared to say the invasion was justified, in that particular quote so is it inaccurate or has your position changed?
-I've already stated my position on the war here a number of times; read the whole branch for a part of it if you're interested.
On July 30 2024 04:50 Jones313 wrote:
I think I got it. You support the war but not the killing. Next you'll be telling me you support Putin but not fascism.
Look, the only information that you convey here - is of your lack of education, - because if you did know the definition and history of fascism, it'd be very clear to you, whose side is much closer to being fascist.
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On July 30 2024 05:28 a_ch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2024 04:48 WombaT wrote:
You appeared to say the invasion was justified, in that particular quote so is it inaccurate or has your position changed? -I've already stated my position on the war here a number of times; read the whole branch for a part of it if you're interested. Show nested quote +On July 30 2024 04:50 Jones313 wrote:
I think I got it. You support the war but not the killing. Next you'll be telling me you support Putin but not fascism.
Look, the only information that you convey here - is of your lack of education, - because if you did know the definition and history of fascism, it'd be very clear to you, whose side is much closer to being fascist.
So, what definition of fascism do you work off that you think the Russians manage to be further away from then other people?
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On July 30 2024 05:28 a_ch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2024 04:48 WombaT wrote:
You appeared to say the invasion was justified, in that particular quote so is it inaccurate or has your position changed? -I've already stated my position on the war here a number of times; read the whole branch for a part of it if you're interested. Show nested quote +On July 30 2024 04:50 Jones313 wrote:
I think I got it. You support the war but not the killing. Next you'll be telling me you support Putin but not fascism.
Look, the only information that you convey here - is of your lack of education, - because if you did know the definition and history of fascism, it'd be very clear to you, whose side is much closer to being fascist.
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On July 30 2024 05:30 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2024 05:28 a_ch wrote:On July 30 2024 04:48 WombaT wrote:
You appeared to say the invasion was justified, in that particular quote so is it inaccurate or has your position changed? -I've already stated my position on the war here a number of times; read the whole branch for a part of it if you're interested. On July 30 2024 04:50 Jones313 wrote:
I think I got it. You support the war but not the killing. Next you'll be telling me you support Putin but not fascism.
Look, the only information that you convey here - is of your lack of education, - because if you did know the definition and history of fascism, it'd be very clear to you, whose side is much closer to being fascist. So, what definition of fascism do you work off that you think the Russians manage to be further away from then other people?
-of course the classical one: ~1910th Italy, with terror organized by leaders of big industrial groups against professional unions and labourers as a reaction to the the socialist uprisings.
The parralels are quite clear - Azov and the social-nationalist party (sic!) sponsored by Kolomoyski and Akhmetov.
With all the problems in Russia, the political influence of oligarkhs is currently almost nonexistent.
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On July 30 2024 04:44 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2024 03:42 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 30 2024 02:52 WombaT wrote:On July 30 2024 00:42 zeo wrote:On July 28 2024 16:46 a_ch wrote:On July 28 2024 15:03 JoinTheRain wrote:On July 28 2024 06:49 KwarK wrote:
Once the cycle starts there isn't a good way of stopping it. They may well be fucked. Russia being fucked is all well and good. However I kind of feel like China and India might have the means as well as the desire to support Russian monetary schemes while getting something lucrative in return, be it ridiculously cheap resources or some technologies. But once they've had enough and call their loans, Russia should truly be screwed. -I hope you can imagine how pathetic this looks from the other side: a poor man, brainwashed to the core, wishing death to the people he never gets to know. Why would anyone care what someone whos life revolves around Reddit upvotes and being a shill for the next new shiny cause says or thinks or does for that matter? Let the dogs bark, no one takes them seriously outside their bubble. Listening to a 40 year old social reject that hasn't had proper exercise in the last decade talk about 'Russians fertilizing the soil', 'a grandma took down a SU-57 with a pickle jar hell yeah!', 'its a 30-1 kill ratio woah! we are winning so hard we need to mobilize 500.000 people to cover our 10k casualties, take that Putin trolls! *pushes glasses up nose*' ;that 100year old sail boat we sunk in the Black Sea 7 months ago was such a win, nothing happened since then, absolutely nothing!'. - Its not even funny, the average joe feels a deep deep pity and sadness for the people these (nafo) dogs are shoving in front of the bullets. They won't stop 'winning' in their minds until the last Ukrainian is dead. Then again, that's a problem the Ukrainians have, not you. EDIT: T-t-the Russian economy is really a goner this time guys, I swear!, not like the other 24 times I said the same thing over the last two years. Not like the China is collapsing for real this time articles I've been smoking for the last 17 years. It's totally true this time guys, I heard it from a guy on Youtube User was temp banned for this post. Man NATO really did a number on you eh? In a more general query sense to the general thread denizens, are Ukraine kind of fucked if the White House switches parties? Add to that, while not necessarily seizing power there are quite a few European countries where parties who aren’t enthusiasts for supporting Ukrainian efforts making gains. It seems to this relatively uneducated observer that even with current commitments maintained, you’re somewhat at an interminable stalemate. If they’re withdrawn it doesn’t look especially pretty Thanks in advance Ukraine is struggling just to maintain the "stalemate". Even with an unforeseen surge in support, there just aren't enough Ukrainians willing to be shipped to the front lines or getting trained well enough when they get pushed there to sustain this. In the context of losing a couple frontline villages recently, Ukrainian commanders are seeing the writing on the wall. Oleksandr Shyrshyn, the 47th brigade’s deputy battalion commander, confirmed to local media that the villages had been taken. He blamed poor training of troops, low abilities of officers, motivation and inadequate weapons for the setbacks. thehill.comWhen you consider nearly half the country doesn't see any shame in draft dodging, it's unlikely to be something they can fix any time soon. In a late June poll conducted by the Kyiv-based Razumkov Center, about 46 percent of respondents said there is no shame in being a draft dodger, while 29 percent held the opposite opinion, and 25 percent found it difficult to answer. www.rferl.orgMaybe Ukraine can get some big surge of support somehow that can boost their negotiating position, but otherwise, I'd say their position is pretty much only going to get worse and it'll get less appealing to Russia to settle for part of Ukraine every day it continues. I don’t think there’s shame in throwing a fake sickie for work in the abstract. It’s not something I ever personally do for various reasons, despite that being my attitude. I’m sure there’s some decent correlation but atttiudes don’t necessarily equate to tangible actions. Most folks think conscientious objection is a fine, noble and admirable thing. If it comes to wartime with a draft, how many actually would do it? That aside yeah prospects look pretty bleak all-round, agreed there
Last I heard there isn't enough heavy equipment to arm all the people they have drafted at this time. If they got twice the currently bought/donated heavy equipment I think they can still man them with current manning (and some training). So you end up with a mechanized brigade using Humvees, M113 or similar instead of something like M3 Bradley or CV90.
Overall the donations of equipment is enough to keep the same level of equipment in the field. There are no increases in any plan that I have seen. Basically there is no plan from the nations supporting Ukraine to win this war quickly. I honestly think the critique of slow aid is valid. USA pulling out would not improve the situation since USA, Greece, Turkey and South Korea are the likely places you could pull a lot of equipment from. The US pulling out could also block a lot of nations that are donating their own US sourced equipment such as the F16.
As an example it was just recently that the US stopped shipments to nations other than Ukraine for Patriot systems, something they have been asking for more of for over 2 years now.
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On July 30 2024 05:28 a_ch wrote:
whose side is much closer to being fascist.
He probably misspelled nazis.
And I see, whose foreign politics is closer to which. You will cheat none with your intelectual posturing. Irredentism is the one thing that makes you closer to nazism.
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On July 30 2024 06:11 hitthat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2024 05:28 a_ch wrote:
whose side is much closer to being fascist. He probably misspelled nazis. And I see, whose foreign politics is closer to which. You will cheat none with your intelectual posturing. Irredentism is the one thing that makes you closer to nazism.
-and I see a person, who despite being active in this topic, after 2 years of the war doesn't know almost nothing outside the standard western propaganda narratives. Quite a pitiful sight, and a big sign of the decline of information freedom in Europe.
>>Irredentism is the one thing that makes you closer to nazism
-like, wut? Could you please explain your thought here. At least this one is original. Is for example, NATO a nazist organisation because of its will to continuously expand?
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Let's see - forced annexations under pretense of protecting nationals of the [insert nationality] people? Waging full scale invasion on another country with the intentions of depriving it territories? We already came through this, nothing new. Analogies are clear. At least Hitler lacked audicity to fake referendums on conquer territories, althou you probably would won on Crimea.
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On July 30 2024 06:31 a_ch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2024 06:11 hitthat wrote:On July 30 2024 05:28 a_ch wrote:
whose side is much closer to being fascist. He probably misspelled nazis. And I see, whose foreign politics is closer to which. You will cheat none with your intelectual posturing. Irredentism is the one thing that makes you closer to nazism. -and I see a person, who despite being active in this topic, after 2 years of the war doesn't know almost nothing outside the standard western propaganda narratives. Quite a pitiful sight, and a big sign of the decline of information freedom in Europe. >>Irredentism is the one thing that makes you closer to nazism -like, wut? Could you please explain your thought here. At least this one is original. Is for example, NATO a nazist organisation because of its will to continuously expand?
NATO doesn't have a will to continuously expand. NATO has a will to be able to defend itself, and if other nations want to join and are deemed by NATO to be helpful to the joint defense, then they are allowed to join.
No one is forced to join NATO, and lots of countries which might want to join NATO aren't let in.
-of course the classical one: ~1910th Italy, with terror organized by leaders of big industrial groups against professional unions and labourers as a reaction to the the socialist uprisings.
That is not a definition, that is an example. Examples and definitions are not the same thing.
I'll go with the first few sentences on Wikipedia instead, but you could also go with Umberto Ecos definition of Ur-fascism, or whichever else you would like. But use a real definition.
Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
I would say that this fits very, very well unto current Russia. Far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist, dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition (hello people falling out of windows) are definitively all very present there.
I don't know if Russians believe in a natural social hierarchy or subordination of individuel interests for the perceived good of the nation, but there is also a strong regimentation fo society and the economy there.
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And here's a definition given by the Russian Academy of Sciences:
Фашизм — это идеология и практика, утверждающая превосходство и исключительность определённой нации или расы и направленная на разжигание национальной нетерпимости, обоснование дискриминации в отношении представителей иных народов, отрицание демократии, установление культа вождя, применение насилия и террора для подавления политических противников и любых форм инакомыслия, оправдание войны как средства решения межгосударственных проблем.
DeepL:
Fascism is an ideology and practice that asserts the superiority and exclusivity of a particular nation or race and seeks to foment national intolerance, justify discrimination against members of other nations, deny democracy, establish a cult of the leader, use violence and terror to suppress political opponents and all forms of dissent, and justify war as a means to solve inter-state problems.
It describes russia perfectly and doesn't even remotely apply to Ukraine.
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