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On August 25 2007 12:29 Mora wrote:aren't you being a little bit harsh?
is losing a little sleep really the end of the fucking world? Allowing some kids to have an enjoyable night without your interference would be some nice consideration. Or is it a prerequisite that the only time you're considerate to others is when they are considerate to you first?
When i think of man up, i think of somoene who can be better than those around him. Not someone so petty that they're never willing to give an inch unless they think it will be returned.
I am not much of a partier myself, i have the occaisonal one probably 2-4 times a year? For the most part i tell my guests to keep quiet as much as they can, as i do think it important to respect my neighbours. But some of my neighbours have more parties than me, and definately aren't so concerned with the noise level. When they wake me up, i smile to myself, hope they're having a good time, and try to get back to sleep.
Honestly, it's not the end of the world if i get 4 hours of sleep instead of 8. It's just sleep.
edit - I'm not saying that you should let people walk all over you and disrupt your life. But if it's not a consistant occurence, how can someone be so uptight to begrudge others a night of unrestrained fun for a few fucking hours of sleep?
Those nights, at least for me, are few and far between. My one neighbour did mention to me one time (the next day) that we were sure loud. His name is Lionel and he's about 65-70 years old, and has lived in his apartment (which is next to mine) for over 30 years. I apologized profusely as i had had no idea that we were being that loud, to which he responded, "No! Don't apologize sunny boy. It was just that those girls were screaming all night long. I sure hope you had a great time".
To be the recipient of this man's patience, tolerance, and encouragement was truly an awesome experience. It made me proud to know that in my past i have always been much the same as him - that a little from me (a few hours sleep) can mean alot for someone else (a whole night of unconstricted fucking awesome badassness.)
is losing a little sleep really the end of the fucking world? Allowing some kids to have an enjoyable night without your interference would be some nice consideration. Or is it a prerequisite that the only time you're considerate to others is when they are considerate to you first?
When i think of man up, i think of somoene who can be better than those around him. Not someone so petty that they're never willing to give an inch unless they think it will be returned.
I am not much of a partier myself, i have the occaisonal one probably 2-4 times a year? For the most part i tell my guests to keep quiet as much as they can, as i do think it important to respect my neighbours. But some of my neighbours have more parties than me, and definately aren't so concerned with the noise level. When they wake me up, i smile to myself, hope they're having a good time, and try to get back to sleep.
Honestly, it's not the end of the world if i get 4 hours of sleep instead of 8. It's just sleep.
edit - I'm not saying that you should let people walk all over you and disrupt your life. But if it's not a consistant occurence, how can someone be so uptight to begrudge others a night of unrestrained fun for a few fucking hours of sleep?
Those nights, at least for me, are few and far between. My one neighbour did mention to me one time (the next day) that we were sure loud. His name is Lionel and he's about 65-70 years old, and has lived in his apartment (which is next to mine) for over 30 years. I apologized profusely as i had had no idea that we were being that loud, to which he responded, "No! Don't apologize sunny boy. It was just that those girls were screaming all night long. I sure hope you had a great time".
To be the recipient of this man's patience, tolerance, and encouragement was truly an awesome experience. It made me proud to know that in my past i have always been much the same as him - that a little from me (a few hours sleep) can mean alot for someone else (a whole night of unconstricted fucking awesome badassness.)
While I agree he was being a bit harsh, I agree with the general premise that partiers should be the ones trying to be considerate, not the other way around. Again, it's a matter of who is imposing upon who. If your fun is bothering other people, then you should expect that they'll do something to stop your fun. I don't understand where people are coming from when they try to make it seem like the right to party is somehow of greater importance to the right to peace and quiet. If we're supposed to allow kids to be kids, then we should also allow adults to be adults. They generally do stupid shit and behave immaturely, adults generally behave more responsibly and will make efforts to curb the stupidity that kids do if it becomes a problem.
There are occasions where neighbors are too sensitive, but there are many where the partiers are being insensitive. Since this all started with Testie's story, most people are referring to his particular circumstances, i.e. not a one-night incident, immature and rude partiers, refusing the bring the party inside, a genuine need by the neighbors for sleep because of work. In a situation like this, it seems clear to me that the partiers are just disregarding and disrespecting their neighbors by ignoring the fact that their party is disturbing others who live nearby.
As to the whole "it's just sleep" argument, that's just bullshit. Just because sleep may be unimportant to you, doesn't mean it's unimportant to others. I know of many people who work long, hard hours and really value and need a good night's sleep. I've had to work late into the evening quite often recently, and I can assure you that getting even a few hours of additional sleep is very important to me in those situations. Just because a neighbor happens to be okay with your depriving them of sleep (particularly an old guy who likely doesn't have a busy work schedule), it doesn't mean that every other neighbor should as well.
You can argue respective opinions on how much you believe a person should value hours of sleep all you want, but at the end of the day it's how important the peace and quiet is to the people you're depriving of sleep that matters. You don't walk around in someone's house with your shoes on if they don't, you don't smoke in someone's house if they don't, you don't bash a religion if that household practices it devoutly, etc. The person imposing does not set the standard, it's the person who is being imposed upon. You have no right to tell people what they should and shouldn't tolerate as long as they're not being ridiculous (i.e. complaining about a party in the middle of the day or afternoon).
We're talking about people's homes, not some store or park, and people should be able to be comfortable and happy in their home without having their neighbors disturbing them with obnoxious behavior. If anyone sits back and bothers to consider other people's perspectives, I just don't see how they could possibly argue that Testie should not have done something (not necessarily what he did, i.e. shouting at them) to stop those partiers next door.
P.S. This "man up" bullshit is making me tired. Partiers can "man up" when the cops come a-callin'. If that's one of your better arguments, you need to "smart up".
, they act like they earned it so they must enjoy it. you work for yourself not for me 
, they act like they earned it so they must enjoy it. you work for yourself not for me 
