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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11485 Posts
May 12 2021 08:39 GMT
#1381
The main problem i have with crypto is that it is unethical bullshit.

You waste lots and lots of energy on useless calculations because you hope to sell the result of those useless calculations for a lot of money to some sucker who thinks he can sell it to some other sucker for even more money.

And that in the middle of an ongoing climate crisis.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
May 12 2021 13:25 GMT
#1382
On May 12 2021 17:39 Simberto wrote:
The main problem i have with crypto is that it is unethical bullshit.

You waste lots and lots of energy on useless calculations because you hope to sell the result of those useless calculations for a lot of money to some sucker who thinks he can sell it to some other sucker for even more money.

And that in the middle of an ongoing climate crisis.


Yeah, it's much more ethical for politicians to control the supply of money and being able to destroy purchasing power and life savings of the population on a whim, and for them to have no way to hedge against that event.

Ever met a person from Argentina?
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11485 Posts
May 12 2021 14:04 GMT
#1383
Crypto isn't really useful as money. It is currently a tool for speculating, meaning hoping other people will give you more actually useable money for the thing later on.

Or do you know a person who used bitcoin to actually buy a real thing?

And as a speculating tool, it is absurdly wasteful.
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
May 12 2021 14:20 GMT
#1384
ah it's another "somebody with no mathematical background says crypto is useless" episode, idk what else I expected from the TL investing thread.
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44192 Posts
May 12 2021 14:29 GMT
#1385
On May 12 2021 23:20 9-BiT wrote:
ah it's another "somebody with no mathematical background says crypto is useless" episode, idk what else I expected from the TL investing thread.


Can you please elaborate on the connection between having a mathematical background and thinking cryptocurrency is useful?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
May 12 2021 14:32 GMT
#1386
On May 12 2021 23:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2021 23:20 9-BiT wrote:
ah it's another "somebody with no mathematical background says crypto is useless" episode, idk what else I expected from the TL investing thread.


Can you please elaborate on the connection between having a mathematical background and thinking cryptocurrency is useful?

No
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-12 15:11:52
May 12 2021 15:11 GMT
#1387
On May 12 2021 23:04 Simberto wrote:
Crypto isn't really useful as money. It is currently a tool for speculating, meaning hoping other people will give you more actually useable money for the thing later on.

Or do you know a person who used bitcoin to actually buy a real thing?

And as a speculating tool, it is absurdly wasteful.


Value storage. I also know people who do all their expenses with bitcoin debit cards, but they are certainly a minority.

Ever met someone from a country with 5-10% MONTHLY inflation, where the government forbids you from buying foreign stocks or more than 200 usd ? (Argentina)
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6204 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-12 15:22:37
May 12 2021 15:22 GMT
#1388
We already have a solution to excessive inflation and that's an independent central bank with an inflation target. Bitcoin won't solve the issue of bad institutions like in Argentina.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
May 12 2021 17:53 GMT
#1389
On May 13 2021 00:22 RvB wrote:
We already have a solution to excessive inflation and that's an independent central bank with an inflation target. Bitcoin won't solve the issue of bad institutions like in Argentina.


Yeah, who cares about all those people who live in countries that don't have indepent central banks.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-12 22:33:28
May 12 2021 22:31 GMT
#1390
Tesla is suspending use of paying with BTC until more sustainable methods are made to farm it.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17970 Posts
May 14 2021 05:35 GMT
#1391
On May 13 2021 02:53 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2021 00:22 RvB wrote:
We already have a solution to excessive inflation and that's an independent central bank with an inflation target. Bitcoin won't solve the issue of bad institutions like in Argentina.


Yeah, who cares about all those people who live in countries that don't have indepent central banks.

Poor people in Argentina aren't buying bitcoins. Rich people might be, but rich people were buying dollars or gold before bitcoins, so rich Argentineans stashing their money in foreign investment doesn't seem to be (1) new, or (2) a solution to Argentina having a shitty economy and a shitty government.

Also, what makes you think the government can't forbid you from buying bitcoin in the exact same way they can forbid you from buying dollars? In fact, it's probably way easier, because bitcoin is necessarily digital, whereas you can trade cash pesos for cash dollars in the blue market on most street corners (or at least you could last time I was there, which was admittedly about 5 years ago).
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21635 Posts
May 14 2021 09:35 GMT
#1392
Yeah I don't see how bitcoin would help people below the poverty line hide from hyper inflation. They likely don't actually have money lying around to buy bitcoin with and they won't be able to buy basic necessities with it.

Besides, wouldn't the transaction fees alone make it completely impractical?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-14 10:32:53
May 14 2021 10:24 GMT
#1393
On May 12 2021 22:25 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2021 17:39 Simberto wrote:
The main problem i have with crypto is that it is unethical bullshit.

You waste lots and lots of energy on useless calculations because you hope to sell the result of those useless calculations for a lot of money to some sucker who thinks he can sell it to some other sucker for even more money.

And that in the middle of an ongoing climate crisis.


Yeah, it's much more ethical for politicians to control the supply of money and being able to destroy purchasing power and life savings of the population on a whim, and for them to have no way to hedge against that event.

Ever met a person from Argentina?

They have a way to hedge against it, by buying gold or silver.Same as it’s been for thousands of years.And if they can’t afford bullion coins buy old circulated coins.Pre 65 US 90% silver quarters are around $~5 each as an example.

Meanwhile the crypto market crashed 20% in one day over an Elon Musk tweet.Dogecoin has the fourth highest crypto market cap.Honestly, come on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6174 Posts
May 15 2021 13:40 GMT
#1394
On May 12 2021 17:39 Simberto wrote:
The main problem i have with crypto is that it is unethical bullshit.

You waste lots and lots of energy on useless calculations because you hope to sell the result of those useless calculations for a lot of money to some sucker who thinks he can sell it to some other sucker for even more money.

And that in the middle of an ongoing climate crisis.

Not every crypto is bitcoin or dogecoin tho.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11485 Posts
May 15 2021 14:53 GMT
#1395
Is there any crypto where that description does not fit?
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
May 15 2021 15:10 GMT
#1396
On May 15 2021 23:53 Simberto wrote:
Is there any crypto where that description does not fit?


Your description is non-sense. Are you going to shut down the stock exchange with the same logic?

If you want to lift yourself out of ignorance, I'd suggest looking into Ethereum and their move to proof of stake.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42539 Posts
May 15 2021 17:53 GMT
#1397
On May 15 2021 23:53 Simberto wrote:
Is there any crypto where that description does not fit?

VeChain has actual practical use cases where it provides value to consumers.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6174 Posts
May 16 2021 18:19 GMT
#1398
On May 15 2021 23:53 Simberto wrote:
Is there any crypto where that description does not fit?

Yes.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10439 Posts
May 17 2021 22:24 GMT
#1399
Can anyone ELI5 why WSB is constantly saying SLV is a scam? As far as I can tell SLV seems to reflect the spot price of SLV so if there is manipulation with SLV shouldn't that manipulation also be present in physical silver or PSLV as well? I'm just not understanding how SLV can be a scam but physical silver isn't a scam if the prices more or less mirror each other. I'm holding 850 SLV @ 16.63
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42539 Posts
May 17 2021 22:26 GMT
#1400
On May 18 2021 07:24 BlackJack wrote:
Can anyone ELI5 why WSB is constantly saying SLV is a scam? As far as I can tell SLV seems to reflect the spot price of SLV so if there is manipulation with SLV shouldn't that manipulation also be present in physical silver or PSLV as well? I'm just not understanding how SLV can be a scam but physical silver isn't a scam if the prices more or less mirror each other. I'm holding 850 SLV @ 16.63

It's not a scam. As far as I know the argument is that when a few months ago a bunch of news organizations pretended that /r/wsb was mass buying SLV to spike the price similar to GME that they were full of shit. It's not that SLV doesn't actually hold silver, it's that the media generated hype around silver was entirely empty.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
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