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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21676 Posts
On March 14 2022 22:29 JimmiC wrote: I imagine it is because whatever garbage they are getting their 'news' from pushes for these varies things.The people I have on my facebook feed that were "Covid is a hoax" moved to be super pro "freedom convoy" and they have now moved on to "Ukraine is the problem". Is this localized to around here? Is this a concerted effort by Russian Bots or is it just going to be from now on that what ever the major story is these people are going to call it "the media" and say the opposite is actually true? | ||
KwarK
United States42676 Posts
On March 14 2022 22:34 Gorsameth wrote: I imagine it is because whatever garbage they are getting their 'news' from pushes for these varies things. That garbage is a Russian psyops program. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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r00ty
Germany1056 Posts
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r00ty
Germany1056 Posts
On March 14 2022 22:29 JimmiC wrote: The people I have on my facebook feed that were "Covid is a hoax" moved to be super pro "freedom convoy" and they have now moved on to "Ukraine is the problem". Is this localized to around here? Is this a concerted effort by Russian Bots or is it just going to be from now on that what ever the major story is these people are going to call it "the media" and say the opposite is actually true? Exactly the same over here. It's their choice of information source i guess. RT is banned in Germany since this year and when i challenge the people in my wider circle, they mostly refuse to give me their source. I just don't say anything when it's mild stuff. On March 14 2022 22:40 KwarK wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 14 2022 22:34 Gorsameth wrote: I imagine it is because whatever garbage they are getting their 'news' from pushes for these varies things. That garbage is a Russian psyops program. I've been privately saying this for about 4 years and get laughed at. That St. Petersburg trollfactory was worth every penny. | ||
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lestye
United States4163 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25283 Posts
Many folks I encounter have positions that only broadly align when the framework I stick them in is ‘whatever the opposite of general mainstream convention is’ | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21676 Posts
On March 15 2022 00:56 lestye wrote: The Republican base had to do a weird 180 when Trump required them to be supportive of Russia because Russia supported Trump.Not sure if I'm living under a rock, but the weirdest part of this Russia-Ukraine thing is seeing how there's actually, legit tankies out there, and they're supporting Putin's Russia for some reason? It shows that their opinions are not supported by their personal beliefs but by what their authoritive figurehead says. | ||
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On March 14 2022 21:56 EnDeR_ wrote: Your reply to the first post was: You could have easily listed (and sourced) the measures and discussed their implications and why they were relevant and supported your conclusion. That would have been a good, high quality post. Instead you went for a dismissive dig: "Those who are politically inclined to believe in Russian collusion will believe otherwise, but the facts are not in their favor". That's low-quality shit-posting. It's not that hard: source your claims, discuss why they're relevant and support your conclusion and stop deflecting into whataboutism. I guarantee you will get a much better response if you do that. You may have a point but dismissive digs are (1) not punished on this site and (2) often directed at me. So if I respond in kind to, say, 1 out of every 5 of them, feels pretty justified. | ||
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Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On March 15 2022 00:56 lestye wrote: Not sure if I'm living under a rock, but the weirdest part of this Russia-Ukraine thing is seeing how there's actually, legit tankies out there, and they're supporting Putin's Russia for some reason? A large portion of the public has disengaged from the MSM because the MSM is not trustworthy. The polls show the MSM's approval rating to be in the gutter. So people turn to alternate sources, some of which are unfortunately even worse than the MSM. That's the situation though and part of the blame lies squarely with the MSM for losing the public's trust. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21676 Posts
On March 15 2022 02:46 Doc.Rivers wrote: A large portion of the public has disengaged from the MSM because the MSM is not trustworthy. The polls show the MSM's approval rating to be in the gutter. So people turn to alternate sources, some of which are unfortunately even worse than the MSM. That's the situation though and part of the blame lies squarely with the MSM for losing the public's trust. most of the mainstream media is trustworthy, some folks just don't like what they hear and pretend like their not to feel better. | ||
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KwarK
United States42676 Posts
On March 15 2022 02:46 Doc.Rivers wrote: A large portion of the public has disengaged from the MSM because the MSM is not trustworthy. The polls show the MSM's approval rating to be in the gutter. So people turn to alternate sources, some of which are unfortunately even worse than the MSM. That's the situation though and part of the blame lies squarely with the MSM for losing the public's trust. You have the causality backwards. They’re not leaving mainstream media because it’s unreliable but because it’s reliable but they don’t agree with what it is reliably reporting. It used to be that the news was the news, whether or not you liked it. Nixon was a crook, just how it is. I mention Nixon because after Watergate there was a deliberate effort by the right to create their own counter media in order to allow people to pick their own news. https://web.archive.org/web/20110703074050/http://gawker.com/5814150/ People have been given the ability to pick news that agrees with their underlying biases. That doesn’t mean the news that they disagree with is unreliable, it means that the biases are unreliable. The mainstream news is as trustworthy as ever in the sense that it is worthy of trust. The lack of trust is user error. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11507 Posts
On March 15 2022 03:07 Gorsameth wrote: most of the mainstream media is trustworthy, some folks just don't like what they hear and pretend like their not to feel better. I think there may be a difference in perception depending on where you live. I think that German media is pretty trustworthy in general. I don't know if i feel the same about US media. | ||
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KwarK
United States42676 Posts
On March 15 2022 03:08 Simberto wrote: I think there may be a difference in perception depending on where you live. I think that German media is pretty trustworthy in general. I don't know if i feel the same about US media. I caught some amazing Fox News at the gym a few days ago. All of the following happened in about ten minutes. FOX NEWS ALERT ‘Biden:”I will destroy the oil industry” Biden forcing Americans to pay record prices Biden restricting oil supply by not drilling more US oil Clinton Foundation exploits yet another tragedy (complete with scary Hillary photo) Biden begging dictators for oil after destroying US oil industry That shit’ll give you brain worms. The Clinton one was surprising, apparently she’s raising money for humanitarian aid for Ukraine, but they’re just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. Every story was the main story and the main story was just a headline because they’re cycling through outrage headlines in a mad rotation at breakneck speed. It’s not clear when the US oil industry was destroyed but its not important, all that matters is that Biden did it and also dictators. Fox is unfortunately the most mainstream media, just as the Daily Mail is the newspaper with the highest circulation in the UK. They took over the news and replaced it with this. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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lestye
United States4163 Posts
On March 15 2022 02:06 Gorsameth wrote: The Republican base had to do a weird 180 when Trump required them to be supportive of Russia because Russia supported Trump. It shows that their opinions are not supported by their personal beliefs but by what their authoritive figurehead says. I know about Republicans, I'm talking about tankies. Like they seem to be advocating Russian imperialism because they distrust NATO/United States imperialism so much? | ||
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KwarK
United States42676 Posts
On March 15 2022 03:23 lestye wrote: I know about Republicans, I'm talking about tankies. Like they seem to be advocating Russian imperialism because they distrust NATO/United States imperialism so much? Biden bad = Russia good | ||
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Zambrah
United States7297 Posts
On March 15 2022 03:23 lestye wrote: I know about Republicans, I'm talking about tankies. Like they seem to be advocating Russian imperialism because they distrust NATO/United States imperialism so much? Wouldn't tankies just be invested in the concept of the USSR? Reuniting the USSR seems like something a dumb tankie would be excited about since Stalin and all. | ||
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lestye
United States4163 Posts
On March 15 2022 03:32 Zambrah wrote: Wouldn't tankies just be invested in the concept of the USSR? Reuniting the USSR seems like something a dumb tankie would be excited about since Stalin and all. oh i found this: | ||
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