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On June 30 2015 23:19 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 23:08 Godwrath wrote:On June 30 2015 23:04 marvellosity wrote:On June 30 2015 22:50 SixStrings wrote:
I have to side with senator Ted Cruz here:
"These are some of the darkest 24 hours in our history."
Healthcare, equality, housing for the poor... Living republicans must envy the dead. You think "equality" = some of the darkest 24 hours in our history? Charming. I thought he was using sarcasm. This is Ted Cruz. He is so loathed by his own party that other Republican senators won't talk to him. He is the banner bearer for the tea party idiots that think compromise is defeat. He shut the government down once and will do if again if he can. He is everything that is messed up about the America political system right now.
He said sixstrings was using sarcasm, not ted cruz. The ted cruz character doesn't have sarcasm in its vocabulary.
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On June 30 2015 23:30 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 23:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2015 23:08 Godwrath wrote:On June 30 2015 23:04 marvellosity wrote:On June 30 2015 22:50 SixStrings wrote:
I have to side with senator Ted Cruz here:
"These are some of the darkest 24 hours in our history."
Healthcare, equality, housing for the poor... Living republicans must envy the dead. You think "equality" = some of the darkest 24 hours in our history? Charming. I thought he was using sarcasm. This is Ted Cruz. He is so loathed by his own party that other Republican senators won't talk to him. He is the banner bearer for the tea party idiots that think compromise is defeat. He shut the government down once and will do if again if he can. He is everything that is messed up about the America political system right now. He said sixstrings was using sarcasm, not ted cruz. The ted cruz character doesn't have sarcasm in its vocabulary.
The chain was hard to follow and I assumed some folks not from the US might now be aware of how shitty a person Ted Cruz is.
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I only know him from the Today Show and Real Time. But thus far, his thinking seems to be in line with the other republican candidates. Gives me hope for a Democrat president in 2016.
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On June 30 2015 23:40 SixStrings wrote:
I only know him from the Today Show and Real Time. But thus far, his thinking seems to be in line with the other republican candidates. Gives me hope for a Democrat president in 2016.
They are all matched in the loathing of Government in general and desire to make it just tiny enough to fit into our bedrooms and woman's doctors offices.
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On June 30 2015 23:44 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 23:40 SixStrings wrote:
I only know him from the Today Show and Real Time. But thus far, his thinking seems to be in line with the other republican candidates. Gives me hope for a Democrat president in 2016. They are all matched in the loathing of Government in general and desire to make it just tiny enough to fit into our bedrooms and woman's doctors offices.
LOL
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I hope they do incest and polygamy next. There has been progress, but let's not pretend we're done here.
Laugh as you will about rednecks fucking marrying their cousins, but as long as there won't be any offspring, I don't see a problem.
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On June 30 2015 23:35 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2015 23:30 Jormundr wrote:On June 30 2015 23:19 Plansix wrote:On June 30 2015 23:08 Godwrath wrote:On June 30 2015 23:04 marvellosity wrote:On June 30 2015 22:50 SixStrings wrote:
I have to side with senator Ted Cruz here:
"These are some of the darkest 24 hours in our history."
Healthcare, equality, housing for the poor... Living republicans must envy the dead. You think "equality" = some of the darkest 24 hours in our history? Charming. I thought he was using sarcasm. This is Ted Cruz. He is so loathed by his own party that other Republican senators won't talk to him. He is the banner bearer for the tea party idiots that think compromise is defeat. He shut the government down once and will do if again if he can. He is everything that is messed up about the America political system right now. He said sixstrings was using sarcasm, not ted cruz. The ted cruz character doesn't have sarcasm in its vocabulary. The chain was hard to follow and I assumed some folks not from the US might now be aware of how shitty a person Ted Cruz is.
Do not worry, i do think that for most europeans whatever a republican says will sound like batcrazy.
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On July 01 2015 00:44 SixStrings wrote:
I hope they do incest and polygamy next. There has been progress, but let's not pretend we're done here.
Laugh as you will about rednecks fucking marrying their cousins, but as long as there won't be any offspring, I don't see a problem.
Why stop at cousins? We can have a sponsored program where you are allowed to marry your mother if you fulfill certain requirements! The age old insult will become a reality!
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On July 01 2015 13:32 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 00:44 SixStrings wrote:
I hope they do incest and polygamy next. There has been progress, but let's not pretend we're done here.
Laugh as you will about rednecks fucking marrying their cousins, but as long as there won't be any offspring, I don't see a problem. Why stop at cousins? We can have a sponsored program where you are allowed to marry your mother if you fulfill certain requirements! The age old insult will become a reality!
No matter how hilarious or ridiculous the thoughts are, this is a serious problem that has much potential for being a reality. Polygamy is most likely the next on the hit list, except this time it won't even get to the SCOTUS. If their basis for the same sex marriage is that a marriage should be the individual right under the Constitution, then all bets are off from this point on. It's ironic to say the least.
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On July 01 2015 13:40 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 13:32 gobbledydook wrote:On July 01 2015 00:44 SixStrings wrote:
I hope they do incest and polygamy next. There has been progress, but let's not pretend we're done here.
Laugh as you will about rednecks fucking marrying their cousins, but as long as there won't be any offspring, I don't see a problem. Why stop at cousins? We can have a sponsored program where you are allowed to marry your mother if you fulfill certain requirements! The age old insult will become a reality! No matter how hilarious or ridiculous the thoughts are, this is a serious problem that has much potential for being a reality. Polygamy is most likely the next on the hit list, except this time it won't even get to the SCOTUS. If their basis for the same sex marriage is that a marriage should be the individual right under the Constitution, then all bets are off from this point on. It's ironic to say the least.
Its an interesting question. I wonder how religious people feel about this? Seems weird they are very much for 1 man 1 woman but many major figures in the bible had many wives and/or concubines. I wonder where the flip happened.
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On July 01 2015 13:43 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 13:40 jellyjello wrote:On July 01 2015 13:32 gobbledydook wrote:On July 01 2015 00:44 SixStrings wrote:
I hope they do incest and polygamy next. There has been progress, but let's not pretend we're done here.
Laugh as you will about rednecks fucking marrying their cousins, but as long as there won't be any offspring, I don't see a problem. Why stop at cousins? We can have a sponsored program where you are allowed to marry your mother if you fulfill certain requirements! The age old insult will become a reality! No matter how hilarious or ridiculous the thoughts are, this is a serious problem that has much potential for being a reality. Polygamy is most likely the next on the hit list, except this time it won't even get to the SCOTUS. If their basis for the same sex marriage is that a marriage should be the individual right under the Constitution, then all bets are off from this point on. It's ironic to say the least. Its an interesting question. I wonder how religious people feel about this? Seems weird they are very much for 1 man 1 woman but many major figures in the bible had many wives and/or concubines. I wonder where the flip happened.
Precisely that. There are religious gay people who absolutely oppose the polygamous marriage. With this "victory" in their hands, they have very little ammunition, in terms of legality, to stand against other types of marriage.
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On July 01 2015 13:51 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 13:43 Slaughter wrote:On July 01 2015 13:40 jellyjello wrote:On July 01 2015 13:32 gobbledydook wrote:On July 01 2015 00:44 SixStrings wrote:
I hope they do incest and polygamy next. There has been progress, but let's not pretend we're done here.
Laugh as you will about rednecks fucking marrying their cousins, but as long as there won't be any offspring, I don't see a problem. Why stop at cousins? We can have a sponsored program where you are allowed to marry your mother if you fulfill certain requirements! The age old insult will become a reality! No matter how hilarious or ridiculous the thoughts are, this is a serious problem that has much potential for being a reality. Polygamy is most likely the next on the hit list, except this time it won't even get to the SCOTUS. If their basis for the same sex marriage is that a marriage should be the individual right under the Constitution, then all bets are off from this point on. It's ironic to say the least. Its an interesting question. I wonder how religious people feel about this? Seems weird they are very much for 1 man 1 woman but many major figures in the bible had many wives and/or concubines. I wonder where the flip happened. Precisely that. There are religious gay people who absolutely oppose the polygamous marriage. With this "victory" in their hands, they have very little ammunition, in terms of legality, to stand against other types of marriage.
I mean, you can find any weird combination of ideology/traits/beliefs in people. But by and large pretending that any said combination is statistically relevant is a bit of the stretch.
There are many gay religious people I'm sure. Some of them probably do oppose polygamous marriage. But I don't really see how that subset will shape the debate in any way. Point is most religious people are against it, even though in their own documents it is allowed and fairly prevalent; so in most cases any religious person is in a bit of a contradiction when they argue against polygamy, not just homosexual religious people.
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On July 01 2015 13:40 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 13:32 gobbledydook wrote:On July 01 2015 00:44 SixStrings wrote:
I hope they do incest and polygamy next. There has been progress, but let's not pretend we're done here.
Laugh as you will about rednecks fucking marrying their cousins, but as long as there won't be any offspring, I don't see a problem. Why stop at cousins? We can have a sponsored program where you are allowed to marry your mother if you fulfill certain requirements! The age old insult will become a reality! No matter how hilarious or ridiculous the thoughts are, this is a serious problem that has much potential for being a reality. Polygamy is most likely the next on the hit list, except this time it won't even get to the SCOTUS. If their basis for the same sex marriage is that a marriage should be the individual right under the Constitution, then all bets are off from this point on. It's ironic to say the least.
Why are you saying this is a problem? Should I not be allowed to marry my mother if I wish?
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On July 01 2015 13:40 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 13:32 gobbledydook wrote:On July 01 2015 00:44 SixStrings wrote:
I hope they do incest and polygamy next. There has been progress, but let's not pretend we're done here.
Laugh as you will about rednecks fucking marrying their cousins, but as long as there won't be any offspring, I don't see a problem. Why stop at cousins? We can have a sponsored program where you are allowed to marry your mother if you fulfill certain requirements! The age old insult will become a reality! No matter how hilarious or ridiculous the thoughts are, this is a serious problem that has much potential for being a reality. Polygamy is most likely the next on the hit list, except this time it won't even get to the SCOTUS. If their basis for the same sex marriage is that a marriage should be the individual right under the Constitution, then all bets are off from this point on. It's ironic to say the least.
Why the fuck is that a problem?
Why can't a woman marry two men, or a man marry his (of legal age) next of kin, or the average poster in the manga thread his waifu? The last one was a joke, but you get the idea. As long as you discourage procreation between too closely related adults, I don't see any rational argument against two or more consenting adults getting married.
In rural Germany, people fuck their cousins all the time. God forbid they should fall in love, get married a raise an adopted child together...
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obviously love excuses everything again and again and again ...
god forbid love doesn't exist and people just get to fuck whomever because .. animals + freedom = ?.
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On July 01 2015 18:34 xM(Z wrote:
obviously love excuses everything again and again and again ...
god forbid love doesn't exist and people just get to fuck whomever because .. animals + freedom = ?.
great post, says and means a lot, well done
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On July 01 2015 13:40 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 13:32 gobbledydook wrote:On July 01 2015 00:44 SixStrings wrote:
I hope they do incest and polygamy next. There has been progress, but let's not pretend we're done here.
Laugh as you will about rednecks fucking marrying their cousins, but as long as there won't be any offspring, I don't see a problem. Why stop at cousins? We can have a sponsored program where you are allowed to marry your mother if you fulfill certain requirements! The age old insult will become a reality! No matter how hilarious or ridiculous the thoughts are, this is a serious problem that has much potential for being a reality. Polygamy is most likely the next on the hit list, except this time it won't even get to the SCOTUS. If their basis for the same sex marriage is that a marriage should be the individual right under the Constitution, then all bets are off from this point on. It's ironic to say the least.
I think a big issue with polygamy is that, historically, it was pretty much always an institution that gave one individual (usually a male) an incredible amount of power over several other people (usually a set of females). While "normal" marriage was like this as well, polygamy is, at its core, different, due to the way it is structured (one over many), and I think this is an issue (the institution of polygamy being an inherently sexist or oppressive institution) that polygamy has to deal with that gay marriage didn't.
The other big problem is, legally, things would get exponentially more complex when you add another person to the marriage equation. Taxes would get far more complicated, parental rights would be off-the-wall confusing, and you can just imagine custody battles/next-of-kin lawsuits, arguments over what to do with someone that is ill or incapable of legally declaring/caring for themselves, etc.
So people may think that polygamy is the "logical next step", but the issues that polygamists face are in no way similar to the issues gay couples faced.
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On July 01 2015 20:18 Nesserev wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 16:45 SixStrings wrote:On July 01 2015 13:40 jellyjello wrote:On July 01 2015 13:32 gobbledydook wrote:On July 01 2015 00:44 SixStrings wrote:
I hope they do incest and polygamy next. There has been progress, but let's not pretend we're done here.
Laugh as you will about rednecks fucking marrying their cousins, but as long as there won't be any offspring, I don't see a problem. Why stop at cousins? We can have a sponsored program where you are allowed to marry your mother if you fulfill certain requirements! The age old insult will become a reality! No matter how hilarious or ridiculous the thoughts are, this is a serious problem that has much potential for being a reality. Polygamy is most likely the next on the hit list, except this time it won't even get to the SCOTUS. If their basis for the same sex marriage is that a marriage should be the individual right under the Constitution, then all bets are off from this point on. It's ironic to say the least. Why the fuck is that a problem? Why can't a woman marry two men, or a man marry his (of legal age) next of kin, or the average poster in the manga thread his waifu? The last one was a joke, but you get the idea. As long as you discourage procreation between too closely related adults, I don't see any rational argument against two or more consenting adults getting married. In rural Germany, people fuck their cousins all the time. God forbid they should fall in love, get married a raise an adopted child together... Legally marrying a fictitious figure is already possible... just saying. I remember some guy marrying a character of a Handheld Dating Sim game a couple of years ago (Japan ofc). The problem with polygamy is that it would lead to a lot of complex new problems in today's legal system, that haven't been figured out yet. Legal marriage is nothing more than a regulation of the concept of marriage, and the more parties involved, the more complex problems become. Imagine the vast amount of situations that could occur. (Now, you might say, why regulate marriage in the first place? To protect the parties involved of course :D) It's better for society to slowly find a way, and when the time is right, society will know what to do. Society already has a way to deal with polygamy, and it will evolve, until one day, it'll probably be legalized; probably not today, tomorrow, or next week... but one day.
Marriage is an anachronism anyways. Which is why I do not particularly care about this ruling.
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On July 01 2015 16:45 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 13:40 jellyjello wrote:On July 01 2015 13:32 gobbledydook wrote:On July 01 2015 00:44 SixStrings wrote:
I hope they do incest and polygamy next. There has been progress, but let's not pretend we're done here.
Laugh as you will about rednecks fucking marrying their cousins, but as long as there won't be any offspring, I don't see a problem. Why stop at cousins? We can have a sponsored program where you are allowed to marry your mother if you fulfill certain requirements! The age old insult will become a reality! No matter how hilarious or ridiculous the thoughts are, this is a serious problem that has much potential for being a reality. Polygamy is most likely the next on the hit list, except this time it won't even get to the SCOTUS. If their basis for the same sex marriage is that a marriage should be the individual right under the Constitution, then all bets are off from this point on. It's ironic to say the least. Why the fuck is that a problem? Why can't a woman marry two men, or a man marry his (of legal age) next of kin, or the average poster in the manga thread his waifu? The last one was a joke, but you get the idea. As long as you discourage procreation between too closely related adults, I don't see any rational argument against two or more consenting adults getting married. In rural Germany, people fuck their cousins all the time. God forbid they should fall in love, get married a raise an adopted child together...
It is a problem because the vast majority in the US oppose the polygamous marriage (or any other types of unfavorable marriage) while the SCOTUS has now bestowed the legal standing for those who seek a polygamy. This is a different set of challenge - one much harder and complex, than the gay marriage battle because the society isn't ready yet.
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