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Beef Noodles
United States937 Posts
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
So let me get this straight. You just started university in ENGINEERING and you think you're going to somehow magically find the time to study another language (not to mention one completely unrelated to the Indo-European branch) on the side? Then you're going to do a fucking MASTERS degree in ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING there?? Not even that, but you're contemplating whether to go to CHINA or Japan for an EDUCATION? Are you not aware of the difference in QUALITY of education for both places, or that one is known for its TECHNOLOGY? And then on top of this we have people telling him to pick China for the business aspect. Right, because anyone who is actually big in business is directly doing their negotiations with foreigners and not the multilingual people they hired just for that purpose. Protip: English will still be the most important language for business 20 years from now--don't jeopardize your education to satisfy your ridiculous yellow fever. Go there on a work visa for the summer but not to do a fucking masters in electrical engineering. Jesus Christ. | ||
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Deleted User 76781
101 Posts
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NIJ
1012 Posts
If u like anime change it to japan. If u like sc change it to korea. | ||
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
On September 25 2010 09:17 Yme wrote: China, because the transportation in Japan is SOOOOO expensive, and buses and taxis in china are cheap. I'd recomend Shanghai if you're rich and could afford overpriced apartments, but easy subway transportation and easy food and stuff. OR Beijing for cheaper houses(I think) but I went to beijing once, and the food wasn't the best IMO and buses doesn't have air conditioning. So you're saying go to China because Japan is expensive, but that if he's rich go to Shanghai? Biased much? I'm not trying to pick on you (it's just that your post is right under mine), but the people like you in this thread need to stop giving advice on the basis of your national pride because it's only going to wrongly influence the OP and other dumb western asiaphiles. | ||
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Apexplayer
United States406 Posts
On September 24 2010 13:44 OmgIRok wrote: china, the #1 thriving economy in the world, its a pretty obvious decision money-wise this quote is treading a fine line | ||
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Fanharijo
Norway12 Posts
in 2 years from now I will know if I can communicate on a acceptable level with faculty staff and fellow students , if I find myself lacking very much I will just cancel the entire thing and do my masters elsewhere , it is not like I am throwing myself into a heap of problems I know nothing about. thats the purpose of this thread , to see if there is a good chance that my endeavour will work. as for the quality of the schools, well I am certain that both of them have schools that are head and shoulder above the norwegian standard , I have the impression that japan have better schools no doubt , but it is not like I am going to a third world country who barely have pencils and their computers are from the late sixties. Why should I not go there for a master degree? , is it because you think that I will not know the language good enough for lectures or is it because the school systems are inferior/not compatible to european and american standards ? About the yellow fever , well  it is more the fact that not that many other appeal to me, I wanted to learn a language that is not based on indeo-european and then it was only asia that interested me , the middle east does not appeal to at all, same goes for africa. unless I want to learn spanish and go for south america then china/japan/korea became the logical choice. (I did consider russia too, but I did not want to study someplace even colder than norway) (Yes I know that spanish and russian is based on indeo european so don't nag on me for that) =) | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
I wouldn't want to be on my toes with everything I do so I don't get executed for doing something that's against some silly communist party's law. And on that note, try not to get involved in Chinas drug trade, possession over a certain amount of kilos is non commutable death penalty, regardless of nationality. :/. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
On September 25 2010 09:45 Fanharijo wrote: @masamume Well , Time is certainly a factor here , I have 3 years from now to complete a basic understanding of either japanese or chinese , granted I may be overestimating my abilities and maybe 3 years is not nearly enough to get a fairly good working knowledge of the language. in 2 years from now I will know if I can communicate on a acceptable level with faculty staff and fellow students , if I find myself lacking very much I will just cancel the entire thing and do my masters elsewhere , it is not like I am throwing myself into a heap of problems I know nothing about. thats the purpose of this thread , to see if there is a good chance that my endeavour will work. as for the quality of the schools, well I am certain that both of them have schools that are head and shoulder above the norwegian standard , I have the impression that japan have better schools no doubt , but it is not like I am going to a third world country who barely have pencils and their computers are from the late sixties. Why should I not go there for a master degree? , is it because you think that I will not know the language good enough for lectures or is it because the school systems are inferior/not compatible to european and american standards ? About the yellow fever , well it is more the fact that not that many other appeal to me, I wanted to learn a language that is not based on indeo-european and then it was only asia that interested me , the middle east does not appeal to at all, same goes for africa. unless I want to learn spanish and go for south america then china/japan/korea became the logical choice. (I did consider russia too, but I did not want to study someplace even colder than norway) (Yes I know that spanish and russian is based on indeo european so don't nag on me for that) =) I think you have your priorities mixed up. Are you going to the Orient because you want to experience a new culture and language or for an education? You have to be realistic; you can't have it both ways. You can't honestly expect to be able to to immerse yourself into a new language and culture, all the while trying to obtain a master's degree in something complicated like electrical engineering. Don't fool yourself. I really doubt you're going to be able to learn Japanese or Mandarin/Cantonese within the next few years to a reasonable extent to even really complete a masters degree. If you were going to be doing visual arts, fine, but not electrical engineering. Most kids can't even comprehend undergraduate engineering in their native language of English here in Canada and just scrape by, and you expect to do a masters in it in Japan/China? Sorry, I'm not trying to berate you or make you feel inadequate, I'm just trying to spare you and other western kids reading this the time and trouble that you will soon realize if you go down this path. If you were really doing this because you wanted to get a better education than you would in Norway, the US or maybe somewhere closer to home like England would be the best bet as they have the best universities in the world and you clearly have a good grasp of English. Then after you have quality education, learn Japanese or whatever and go there for work and learn the language through immersion and then experience the culture. But only after you have a proper foundation in life. Don't be naive. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
It makes sense for commerce/international trade grads to go experience Asia but not for engineering grads. And if you are going to China then doing a master in electrical engineering is just bad investment. The fact is that the schools there are inferior in standards. You have much better options. | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On September 25 2010 10:10 Masamune wrote: Then after you have quality education, learn Japanese or whatever and go there for work and learn the language through immersion and then experience the culture. But only after you have a proper foundation in life. Don't be naive. This has been proven to be true and should be expected...become valuable in your profession first, and you will have realistic choices. After developing yourself into someone who can succeed you can make transitions in a much more desirable and successful way. There are often blogs and stories about some Western people who jump over to some Eastern country with no experience or value or ability to find a place in a new country and then come back regretting it after wasted years, lol. | ||
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Blyadischa
419 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
If you got accept in a good university in Japan, go for it. Since it will have better quality than Chinese uni. But if you only want to experience the east, well definately China. I live in China myself, just went to Japan last month. I'd say, I will always chose China over Japan for many reason: 1. You can experience the cradle of east asia culture in China the most since many Japanese/Korean custom and language originated in China. 2. Chinese Mandarin will become very useful in the future 3. People in China are not nearly as civilized or polite as Japanese people but they are very kind toward foreigners, and more hospitality than Japanese 4. Chicks will die for you if you are foreigner 5. Living cost is CHEAP for its development. Really, Shanghai must be one of the lowest in the cost of living compare to others metropolis. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
On September 25 2010 10:32 haduken wrote: ^ I agree with this. It makes sense for commerce/international trade grads to go experience Asia but not for engineering grads. And if you are going to China then doing a master in electrical engineering is just bad investment. The fact is that the schools there are inferior in standards. You have much better options. i m Chinese and when I came to Canada, i wtfpwned everyone else in my class in practically every subject other than the arts n sports. the school there isnt sub standard, its just that no one recognizes them overseas. Chinese students pwn hard in international competitions at all levels. However when it comes to things that require alot of capital investment, Chinese results showed poorly. Part of it is lack of R&D funds, part of it is lack of marketing capabilities. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On September 25 2010 08:42 chimthegrim wrote: Koreans don't use kanji in their writing. And Japanese kanji can be slightly different than Chinese Kanji. So the statement you made at the end is kind of misleading. Actually the Koreans study Kanji too except they call it Hanja. It's pretty much exactly the same meanings just pronounced differently, same as Hanzi in Chinese. I can read a lot of writing on buildings here in kanji/hanja and know what it is even though I don't know how to say it. Most everything is in their alphabet (hangul) though, which is pretty easy, although I think hiragana/katakana is still simpler because you don't have the eh vs ay vs eay sounds which sound identical but are written differently. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On September 25 2010 11:28 dybydx wrote: i m Chinese and when I came to Canada, i wtfpwned everyone else in my class in practically every subject other than the arts n sports. the school there isnt sub standard, its just that no one recognizes them overseas. Chinese students pwn hard in international competitions at all levels. However when it comes to things that require alot of capital investment, Chinese results showed poorly. Part of it is lack of R&D funds, part of it is lack of marketing capabilities. You wtfpwned everyone else in your class because that what Asians do when you go to western uni. That only means we asians over-study man things. That proves nothing Chinese students pwn hard in international competitions cos they are trained like monkey in a circus to doing so. This problems were brought up many times by many Chinese professors. Look at many Chinese IMO winners, China wins 1st in IMO every year for quite a long time now. But their further study result in nothing, because it is not their passion to doing so, but they are picked and trained to do so. I study in SJTU and most Chinese student here seek a higher education or research oppotunity abroad, cos the Chinese system is more like a result showing than the actual research | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
#1 for porn #1 for tech #1 for seafood #1 for expensive (so you can go anywhere around world and see how cheap stuffs are) | ||
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RyuChus
Canada442 Posts
EDIT: If you are going into Electrical Engineering, just stay where you are... Or somewhere nearby... | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
holy shit... kudos dude. i didnt expect some TL pubber would make it into SJTU. | ||
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