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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
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MK
United States496 Posts
But same: where is the government? "PRC", the P stands for People, right? So, now China is in the top of the world maybe it's time to look at these people and help them. (or, like I said, hide the misery so people like me will stop bashing this country). | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
On September 27 2010 13:48 MK wrote: I've been told the same, yup. Even worse. But same: where is the government? "PRC", the P stands for People, right? So, now China is in the top of the world maybe it's time to look at these people and help them. (or, like I said, hide the misery so people like me will stop bashing this country). Are you denying that the living standard for the average Chinese citizen has not improved dramatically under the Communist party? Are you suggesting that having dumped democracy onto a such a populous and young nation would have dramatically improved the living standards and quality of governance? like India? Oh wait... | ||
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madnessman
United States1581 Posts
On September 27 2010 03:06 MK wrote: + Show Spoiler + I've worked and lived in Tokyo and I'm living and working in Beijing. And to make it short: JAPAN IS WAY BETTER. First, do you like Internet? If you do, you'll HATE China. It is, sorry about this one but: SHIT. Absolutely. It doesn't work. I've paid for the most expensive one and it is still SLOW. Ok, pretty fast when you go on Chinese pages but when it comes to the US or Euro ones... OMG. Sometimes, it's quite good but you never know when and why it starts to be damn slow. When I was in Tokyo, I had Internet for almost free and it was lightspeed. Always. edit : yup, I've also forgot to mention the no-facebook, no-youtube, no-everything (but pornsite badgirlsblog.com works) so you have to get a VPN (which sometimes doesn't work well because internet is sooooo bad in Cn) Then, Chinese people are impolite. Sorry but it is true. You have almost to fight to get on the bus or the train. No one stop their freaking car to let you cross the damn large street. Everyone is pushing everyone in the crowd. Tokyo is crowdy, actually, even worse than Beijing BUT people show respect. They are not just like crazy rushing everywhere no matter what. Queue? Forget about that in China. The stronger first in. hate that. Service is also WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better in Japan. Actually, the Japanese service is surely one of, or maybe THE best in the world. Always here to serve, to help the customer. Even very small shops. Even at 2 in the morning. In China? It's like you're insulted because you don't want to buy their damn fake Gucci jeans! And when you ask something, it's like they barely want to answer you. Sometimes they don't even look at you. damned. Now about schools. AHAH. Chinese H. Education is just a JOKE. Friends of mine are in Beida, one of the top uni there, and what they learn is basically what you learn reading some books at home. Yup, everything is about books there and learning by heart. Damn, I've been helping an high school student in maths and what he was learning is basically what I've learnt at "classe préparatoire aux grandes écoles" in France, which is very high level. BUT, he doesn't understand what he was learning. He was just memorizing every exercise he did with me in order to copy/paste it at the exams. wtf... But tbh, I don't know how it works in Japan. Because I've actually never studied there but when I talk to my Japanese friends at Keio Uni., it seems that is also pretty much about learning things by heart in high school but it's more opened and better in College. And finally, Japan is on another planet. Yup. It's just a place like no other place. I ain't saying it's a good point or a bad point, depends on your position but, if you come here and live here for a while, you'll discover a new world. Chinese people say Japanese culture is just a copy of the Chinese one. Which is, ofc, totally untrue. A part of the Japanese culture is from there but just a part. What makes Japanese culture so incredible is their culture has been developed under the influence of many other cultures. It's a mix. Just one example: the food. In Japan, I've ate the best Sushi in the world. Yup BUT also the best ramen, the best chaomien, the best chaofan, the best curry, the best baozi and the freaking best French restaurant! Un comble! Japanese people are opened to new things. This is why they are so good in bringing new technology and stuffs like that. So, yup, if me, I'd choose Japan, definitely. I hate to say it but most of this is true... I'm Singaporean-Chinese but lived in Japan for 5 years. I'm not sure about China's education and internet but the rest (except for Japan having the best chao mian, chao fan, etc) seems pretty accurate. That being said, I think China, not Japan, is where all the money and opportunities are. So if you want an awesome time living in an awesome country go live in Japan. Living in China and learning Chinese will probably benefit you more in the future if you plan to be a businessman though. | ||
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MK
United States496 Posts
On September 27 2010 14:05 fearus wrote: Are you denying that the living standard for the average Chinese citizen has not improved dramatically under the Communist party? Are you suggesting that having dumped democracy onto a such a populous and young nation would have dramatically improved the living standards and quality of governance? like India? Oh wait... Yes and? What's your point here? We are not saying nothing have changed, we are saying it's still not good enough and compared to Japan, it sux. And for the Singaporean guy, well, opportunity? Hmmm, everyone talks about China like the new US. Well, tbh, I've been there, lived there, worked there and my conclusion is: we don't know yet. Google died there, don't forget it and Danone also had issues there. Actually, many foreign companies are having trouble in China. Why's that? Read the press. Thing is I don't believe China is doing well. The nation limits its birth rate which automatically implies that for the next generations, they'll have to deal with the lack of hands issues. So what's then in the next 10, 20 years? China has been the workshop of the world for textile and now is doing chips and high tech stuffs. Some Chinese companies are also investing in foreign countries. OK but still, they have a lot to prove in their production standards and how successful they are as investors. Japan was selling Seiko as cheap watches before turning it in an almost luxery or at least high standard brand. Are the Chinese able to do it? Well, tbh, I still don't know. China is booming, ok, old song, we've all heard about this. But it is booming in a world where western countries have already pwned the environment during centuries. It is booming in a world where things such as "les droits de l'Homme" or "Pollution" now DO matter. How is this country going to deal with it? Not saying they won't, saying it's hard. Even for China. Actually, even harder for China. | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
On September 27 2010 14:40 MK wrote: Yes and? What's your point here? We are not saying nothing have changed, we are saying it's still not good enough and compared to Japan, it sux. And for the Singaporean guy, well, opportunity? Hmmm, everyone talks about China like the new US. Well, tbh, I've been there, lived there, worked there and my conclusion is: we don't know yet. Google died there, don't forget it and Danone also had issues there. Actually, many foreign companies are having trouble in China. Why's that? Read the press. Thing is I don't believe China is doing well. The nation limits its birth rate which automatically implies that for the next generations, they'll have to deal with the lack of hands issues. So what's then in the next 10, 20 years? China has been the workshop of the world for textile and now is doing chips and high tech stuffs. Some Chinese companies are also investing in foreign countries. OK but still, they have a lot to prove in their production standards and how successful they are as investors. Japan was selling Seiko as cheap watches before turning it in an almost luxery or at least high standard brand. Are the Chinese able to do it? Well, tbh, I still don't know. China is booming, ok, old song, we've all heard about this. But it is booming in a world where western countries have already pwned the environment during centuries. It is booming in a world where things such as "les droits de l'Homme" or "Pollution" now DO matter. How is this country going to deal with it? Not saying they won't, saying it's hard. Even for China. Actually, even harder for China. I love to hear what you worked there as in China, it is no comparable to Japan in terms of health care and education system fine. But it absolutely beats it in terms of economic growth, wealth prosperity. You don't believe there are opportunities in China? China currently has the second number of billionaires, unlike their U.S counterparts who mostly inherited alot of their wealth (Hello Walmart), these fortunes were built up from the ground, I won't even speculate how many unofficial billionaires there are. China has 345,000 millionaires (USD), why don't you go do some research and find out how many there were 10 years ago. I do not even understand your population control argument, what are you saying here? Lack of hands? Its called skilled migration to fill skill gaps and trade to fill gaps in resources and commodities. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
What I really don't understand is why people keep on bringing up there are more opportunities in China, this is very little to do with where the OP studies and whether he is marginally conversational with the Chinese language. We don't even know if he wishes to pursue a career in China. And also, most employers in China will value any respectable university outside of China (Ivies, Stanford, MIT, Oxford, Cambridge, Todai, Kyodai, Waseda, etc.) much higher than a top University in China, such as PKU, Qinghua or SJTU, so this really doesn't support the argument for studying in China. | ||
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MK
United States496 Posts
Billionaires? And? Are you telling me that having a lot of billionaires = how much opportunity you have in a country? Com'on, be serious. "unlike their U.S counterparts who mostly inherited alot of their wealth (Hello Walmart), these fortunes were built up from the ground," uhuh, nice joke. And "Its called skilled migration to fill skill gaps and trade to fill gaps in resources and commodities." Yup, when we see how China is dealing with their own people, we can be confident in how they'll deal with immigrants. edit: On September 27 2010 15:12 Cambium wrote: Please keep in mind that the OP is trying to decide which country to do his Master's in. The recent arguments are getting really tangential, and this thread is rapidly becoming a China vs Japan (vs World) thread. What I really don't understand is why people keep on bringing up there are more opportunities in China, this is very little to do with where the OP studies and whether he is marginally conversational with the Chinese language. We don't even know if he wishes to pursue a career in China. And also, most employers in China will value any respectable university outside of China (Ivies, Stanford, MIT, Oxford, Cambridge, Todai, Kyodai, Waseda, etc.) much higher than a top University in China, such as PKU, Qinghua or SJTU, so this really doesn't support the argument for studying in China. THIS. | ||
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GG_NO_RE
Japan238 Posts
I read that you don't have enough money to try a trip to both, but have you considered an exchange at all? I know many university students do this in their 3rd year. If you did an exchange to either you would be able to travel to both once you get to Asia. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
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SoJu.WeRRa
Korea (South)820 Posts
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fearus
China2164 Posts
On September 27 2010 15:15 MK wrote: Ok, fearus, start your company without the government consent and we talk then. Billionaires? And? Are you telling me that having a lot of billionaires = how much opportunity you have in a country? Com'on, be serious. "unlike their U.S counterparts who mostly inherited alot of their wealth (Hello Walmart), these fortunes were built up from the ground," uhuh, nice joke. And "Its called skilled migration to fill skill gaps and trade to fill gaps in resources and commodities." Yup, when we see how China is dealing with their own people, we can be confident in how they'll deal with immigrants. edit: THIS. Okay, lets see you start a company in any country without government consent, by definition that means its illegal? What is your point? You've missed the point, it was to show how many NEW billionaires in such a SHORT timespan and yes that would show how much more opportunity there are because it clearly demonstrates there in gold in the pond. Unless you want to point at Japan's negative GDP growth as a clearly better sign of opportunity? Yup, when we see how China is dealing with their own people, we can be confident in how they'll deal with immigrants. Dealing with as in making them richer and improving their living standards? Okay... most employers in China will value any respectable university outside of China (Ivies, Stanford, MIT, Oxford, Cambridge, Todai, Kyodai, Waseda, etc.) much higher than a top University in China, such as PKU, Qinghua or SJTU Source? I think you're just making an assumption here and by 'most employers', you actually mean 'Western employers' which would mean a very small minority of employers in China. All Chinese employers would know of PKU, Qing Hua etc. but be honest, how many of them would know of Todai, Kyodai, Waseda? I only know of Todai because I watched GTO. And i also like how you say "any respectable university" then go on to list Ivies, Stanford, MIT, Oxford and Cambridge... I don't consider any of them to be 'just any respectable university'. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27181 Posts
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