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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
On September 25 2010 01:39 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Basically make your own decision but remember China is allies with North Korea. ROFL, Japanese wouldn't even think you're Japanese if you can't even speak their language. And you're in here trying soooooo hard hahaha xD | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
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Beef Noodles
United States937 Posts
Only redeeming factors are: 1) Better job opportunity in Shanghai 2) Better night life | ||
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Beef Noodles
United States937 Posts
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MoltkeWarding
5195 Posts
That being said, the danger of the entire thing is the potential disappointment: Regardless of which country you choose, you might find the experience socially isolating, and even depressing. You might find it difficult to have any meaningful interaction with the common people, and despite trying, eventually find yourself within the expatriate bubble. Personally? I would choose Japan, with the advantage of preserving some semblance of my sanity. Living in China is a health hazard, although I would be far more concerned about the hazards to my soul. The trick is to live in China for a year without becoming completely indifferent to humanity. | ||
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Beef Noodles
United States937 Posts
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archaik
Sweden32 Posts
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kaisen
United States601 Posts
On September 25 2010 01:39 Sqq wrote: Japan. Have you seen the girls they produce, o man. Making a decision based only on girls is a pretty foolish. | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On September 25 2010 01:38 Matoo- wrote: When chinese people came at the company I worked at before we had to hire a translator because their english was really limited. Of course knowing some basic chinese wouldn't have solved this so you either have to speak chinese very well (like the translator did) or it's not really worth it. When you work in China it's better because even if the people you work with all speak english well (which, again, isn't a given at all in my personal experience), speaking chinese will help you tons in developing a great relationship with them. Many companies know this and will preferably recruit people who are able to speak the local language, not necessarily with the hope that they will be able to conduct meetings in said language, but knowing that they will make contacts easier. And if you want to keep working here for a long time you really need to speak the language anyway, it's depressing at hell if you can't even communicate normally with people around you for daily stuff. Anyway in my eyes both languages require so much perseverance that few people will be able to make it through if they don't really like the country. That probably favors China since it's so diverse, from Guangxi to Heilongjiang you're probably going to find at least one place you like. Not sure about Japan since I've never been there but given the size of the country and the fact that Japanese is pretty much only spoken in, well, Japan, options seem to be quite limited. I'm saying that Mandarin is not as useful as people think it is. Sure you have diplomats, top business men who learned the language and now have that on their resume. Does it help them? yes but is it something that is immediately beneficial? no, unless you some how find yourself in crucial negotiations which lets be honest is not going to happen any time soon especially for a fresh grad. Now, count the number of Chinese international companies who either specialise or do work in electrical engineering or just engineering in general that have recruitment all over the world. I know just one Huawei, maybe Lenovo if you count their PC business. I'm sure there are others but the point is, no doubt they are way more Japanese, American, European firms given their history. In OP's case, I just don't see WHY he would want to go to China to do his MASTERS. Especially in electrical engineering. China don't have any top schools in this field and the good researches and work are probably not available for international students. If his plan is to ride the wave and find opportunities there then by all means, there will be jobs, plenty of jobs. but are they going to be for him? if its a international company, he might as well apply from Japan or Europe and transfer to China later if he really wants to, if its local jobs, then he will get paid like shit and probably not going to find a local job because of his language skills. China is growing, no doubt. But I don't think its at that stage where the employment scene actually benefit an outsider (excluding business / commerce peeps) | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
But it all completely depends on you personally I don't see how strangers can help answer this for you :O I think going for China's rising economy is a bad reason though. Not everything is certain, and it is not like there are not many opportunities in either place. Success will depend more on what you do personally than the general success of a country, and both countries are generally fine. And I don't know how good of an idea it is to go there prior to studying either language for the sake of getting a MS degree, surely that would diminish your education value. | ||
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chimthegrim
United States31 Posts
Few words of advice, don't think that every time you meet a Japanese person just because that person may be very nice that they really are nice. It's just a part of their culture to be nice (as a means to show you are not uneducated). I know this because I have a lot of Japanese friends in Japan and the USA, but many of them moved back to Japan to work after college. So try to just enjoy Japanese people for who they are, but if they do something you didn't expect try to remember they are just like us. And about anything you might think you know about Japan, just try to not have expectations if you go there. Enjoy it for what it is. | ||
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koreasilver
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Pandonetho
Canada321 Posts
However, if you want to learn a language, mandarin is the way to go. If you love Japan and Japanese stuff (I know I do, I'm learning Japanese in University right now) by all means learn Japanese, but in terms of usefulness, you're going to find WAY more use being able to speak mandarin, then Japanese, simply because there's way more Chinese people around than Japanese. | ||
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ProV1
United States980 Posts
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MoltkeWarding
5195 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On September 25 2010 01:51 .risingdragoon wrote: ROFL, Japanese wouldn't even think you're Japanese if you can't even speak their language. And you're in here trying soooooo hard hahaha xD Dude I'm Japanese from Hawaii, I lived in Japan for 5 years, now I'm fluent enough to fool anyone but I can't do business/school language because I just never studied it. What are you talking about? I can't remember how long you've lived in Japan and I don't know what you look like but I have tons of relatives that consider me Japanese, because I'm fucking Japanese. I mean come the fuck on I went to a Japanese elementary school in Kanagawa, I can speak fucking Japanese, just business language is so formal and they use terms I don't understand like "equity". I feel like being able to watch Japanese programs with no subtitles (not just anime) and read a Japanese newspaper/webpage is good enough. I've also spent 4 years being a sushi/teppanyaki chef at a Japanese restaurant in Waikiki where we had rich clients come in to blow hundreds on dinner and I could talk with them no problem, not to mention the whole staff spoke pretty much only Japanese. Don't assume things that you have no idea about please. [edit] Also I'm Japanese Korean Chinese Okinawan Dutch Irish Welsch and Native American. Yes, Okinawan and Japanese are different, Okinawans are hairier and turn brown in the sun. [/edit] | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
On September 24 2010 13:57 Jibba wrote: Plus Japan is ridiculously hot in the summers as well. I know it's tough to do, but I think finding a way to visit or experience each country first is a really good idea. I know some Japanophiles who grew up worshiping it and then when they got there, found their impressions of the culture were completely wrong. I also know some people who like the grime and chaos of China's big cities. I've visited Seoul, Tokyo, and Shanghai. Spent 5 months total overseas in Asia. The cultures are very different, no question, but I enjoyed all of them. I definitely recommend visiting before committing. I did a year of Japanese at uni before travelling, found out I'd rather learn Chinese. So, now I've done a few college courses and I have Chinese Rosetta Stone. In response to the idea that chinese people are dirty and/or rude: some things are culturally acceptable in China that are not acceptable in western cultures. Spitting in public (like in subway stations or outdoor malls) is a good example. Also, personal space is a concept that does not exist. If you just accept that there are cultural differences and try to enjoy and jump in yourself, you'll do fine. Personally, the warmth and friendliness of the people I met in China is what makes me want to go back. I found the Koreans I met to be friendly as well. Another argument for learning Chinese: chinese characters are used in Japanese and Korean (less so in Korean, but generally speaking middle aged Koreans will know lots of Chinese characters, and about 50-60% of the vocabulary is borrowed from Chinese) (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_language see section on vocab). So if you learn Chinese, it will help you even if you decide to switch to Korean or Japanese later. | ||
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chimthegrim
United States31 Posts
On September 25 2010 04:41 aidnai wrote: I've visited Seoul, Tokyo, and Shanghai. Spent 5 months total overseas in Asia. The cultures are very different, no question, but I enjoyed all of them. I definitely recommend visiting before committing. I did a year of Japanese at uni before travelling, found out I'd rather learn Chinese. So, now I've done a few college courses and I have Chinese Rosetta Stone. In response to the idea that chinese people are dirty and/or rude: some things are culturally acceptable in China that are not acceptable in western cultures. Spitting in public (like in subway stations or outdoor malls) is a good example. Also, personal space is a concept that does not exist. If you just accept that there are cultural differences and try to enjoy and jump in yourself, you'll do fine. Personally, the warmth and friendliness of the people I met in China is what makes me want to go back. I found the Koreans I met to be friendly as well. Another argument for learning Chinese: chinese characters are used in Japanese and Korean (less so in Korean, but generally speaking middle aged Koreans will know lots of Chinese characters, and about 50-60% of the vocabulary is borrowed from Chinese) (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_language see section on vocab). So if you learn Chinese, it will help you even if you decide to switch to Korean or Japanese later. Koreans don't use kanji in their writing. And Japanese kanji can be slightly different than Chinese Kanji. So the statement you made at the end is kind of misleading. Also, in almost any first world country you will find friendly people who will welcome you. So don't choose China or Japan based on "the people are nice." That would be a dumb factor to consider. Consider which you are most interested in. That is the best option on your table. | ||
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olias
United Kingdom61 Posts
Both will be amazing! | ||
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0mgVitaminE
United States1278 Posts
On September 24 2010 15:39 DannyJ wrote: Yeah i was a fan of Japanese food till i actually had japanese food in Japan. I'm a fan of Japanese food and going to japan made me love it even more. On September 25 2010 02:20 kaisen wrote: Making a decision based only on girls is a pretty foolish. If he's COMPLETELY torn on almost every other issue, I would say let the women decide where you want to go xD. | ||
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