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DisBabylonSystem
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Rflcrx
503 Posts
On December 01 2010 03:12 DisBabylonSystem wrote: What are these leaks even doing?? To me most of the leaks seem like the same old shit that I have wieldly thought about, often times being completely wrong, without any sort of evidence, for years. fixed (you're welcome) | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On December 01 2010 03:12 DisBabylonSystem wrote: What are these leaks even doing?? To me most of the leaks seem like the same old shit that we have known for years. You mean beyond showing the greater public facts that they can't really hide from anymore? I don't know how much more shit wikileaks needs to dig up before there's anything down about it, but the modern media is completely ball-less and unable to do this kind of investigative fact-gathering. US media outlets are split down political lines between the two political parties and spend most of their time squabbling over bullshit "social" issues like why we should continue to persecute gays/mexicans/muslims instead of actually taking a look at the real issues that need to be dealt with. That's why proof is important. Because we've been able to infer this stuff for years doesn't mean there's enough to actually anger people or cause any kind of change. The big wikileaks releases have been getting increasing coverage as time goes on, it's getting to the point where we can't ignore the actual problems anymore. | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On December 01 2010 03:12 DisBabylonSystem wrote: What are these leaks even doing?? To me most of the leaks seem like the same old shit that we have known for years. There is some interesting stuff like how China probably did attack Google, how Georgia took then Secretary of State Rice's lack of objection to be approval of their invasion of South Ossentia, and all sorts of hilarious stuff about murderous tyrants. Did you know what Israel blames France and the rest of the EU's lack of welcome for Turkey's "radicalization" (in quotes because any mention of religion is a radical change for Turkey)? Plus, China has confirmed they could support reunification under Seoul. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/30/china-wants-korean-reunification?CMP=twt_gu | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
Want to meet with Obama? Take one of them! | ||
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DorN
Germany90 Posts
These pieces of Infomation are gathered by the US and statements torwards them (like saudia arabia supporting an invasion of iran) might also be politicaly motivated to stay in a good relationship with them. Same with China when they say they support "reunification under Seoul" it doesnt mean they are not saying the exact opposite of this to NorthKorea. Thats how politic works and what we currently know is just one side of this medal. | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On December 01 2010 06:51 DorN wrote: Dont forget that these Documents are not necessarily the whole truth. These pieces of Infomation are gathered by the US and statements torwards them (like saudia arabia supporting an invasion of iran) might also be politicaly motivated to stay in a good relationship with them. Same with China when they say they support "reunification under Seoul" it doesnt mean they are not saying the exact opposite of this to NorthKorea. Thats how politic works and what we currently know is just one side of this medal. If you find out someone is saying one thing to you and another thing to another person that pretty much kills the trust no? Getting caught promising incompatible things to different people is not how politics works. | ||
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Tufas
Austria2259 Posts
http://derstandard.at/1289609102849/derStandardat-Interview-Assange-als-Trittbrettfahrer-chinesischer-Interessen | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On December 01 2010 06:55 Nitan wrote: Getting caught promising incompatible things to different people is not how politics works. Yes, it is. But now that the organization has been caught doing this double dealing, now they need to address the issue with the offended party. For the China example. NK is probably expecting an answer to the whole reunification thing. It's not as if the issue can be ignored noow as NK has substantial reason to suspect China keeps NK as an ally of convenience rather then ideological equals. | ||
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winter017
United States103 Posts
The problem with these leaks anymore coming from Wikileaks is that they have established themselves as biased when they released the helicopter gun footage with an editorial attached. I hadn't really followed them previously so I suspect that wasn't the first time anymore but still from that point on I really can't take them seriously anymore. I suppose if you know what their bias is you can work with it. But I feel like something like wikileaks should be straight up a dumping ground for documents no matter what they implicate. To be fair to Wikileaks though I have heard that they released a lot of information that contradicts their own narative. | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On December 01 2010 07:02 Offhand wrote: Yes, it is. But now that the organization has been caught doing this double dealing, now they need to address the issue with the offended party. For the China example. NK is probably expecting an answer to the whole reunification thing. It's not as if the issue can be ignored noow as NK has substantial reason to suspect China keeps NK as an ally of convenience rather then ideological equals. Getting caught may happen in politics but you usually don't want it to happen. NK has long known that China only kept it around out of convenience. Even that is fading because the power of Mao is fading and with it Mao and Sung's friendship. Still, it's one thing to know that your ally doesn't particularly care for you and another for you to know that your ally might be selling you out. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
http://www.interpol.int/public/data/wanted/notices/data/2010/86/2010_52486.asp Categories of Offences: SEX CRIMES Arrest Warrant Issued by: INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC PROSECUTION OFFICE IN GOTHENBURG / Sweden | ||
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
On December 01 2010 08:37 VIB wrote: This just in, Julian Assange is now officially on the Interpol wanted page! http://www.interpol.int/public/data/wanted/notices/data/2010/86/2010_52486.asp Categories of Offences: SEX CRIMES Arrest Warrant Issued by: INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC PROSECUTION OFFICE IN GOTHENBURG / Sweden *waits for storm of replies saying America did it* | ||
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Taguchi
Greece1575 Posts
most likely scenario is that the women are trying to get back at him with this (seeing that they filed the charges when they discovered that he was dating both at the same time~), but it is convenient for governments since they'd rather he didnt exist, tarnishing his reputation cant hurt and its not that wrong for him to be a bit paranoid, theres been plenty of investigative reporters getting assassinated in russia for example and this guy is making enemies the world over | ||
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Gogleion
United States534 Posts
http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2010/11/30/is-bank-of-america-wikileaks-next-target/?boxes=Homepagelighttop | ||
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hoor3x
United States100 Posts
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On December 01 2010 09:12 hoor3x wrote: Anyone supporting this website should be jailed. "I don't want to know what actions the government takes to keep me safe, middle class, and dumb." | ||
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
On December 01 2010 08:37 VIB wrote: This just in, Julian Assange is now officially on the Interpol wanted page! http://www.interpol.int/public/data/wanted/notices/data/2010/86/2010_52486.asp Categories of Offences: SEX CRIMES Arrest Warrant Issued by: INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC PROSECUTION OFFICE IN GOTHENBURG / Sweden interesting timing | ||
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hoor3x
United States100 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
Also, bye. | ||
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