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nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-21 21:32:04
July 21 2009 21:29 GMT
#9261
On July 22 2009 04:08 Alventenie wrote:
vlads is good for naga, it gives his images armor and it allows naga to get diffusal for her orb. you shouldnt get bfury though. treads manta vlads diffusal heart bfly is good enough on her to carry.


Naga is a chick, Alv

And that build works well with pl too, not some gay midas -> radiance strat.
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13197 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-21 21:32:30
July 21 2009 21:32 GMT
#9262
On July 22 2009 06:29 nitram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2009 04:08 Alventenie wrote:
vlads is good for naga, it gives his images armor and it allows naga to get diffusal for her orb. you shouldnt get bfury though. treads manta vlads diffusal heart bfly is good enough on her to carry.


Naga is a chick, Alv


or BOTH?

MIND BLOWN
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nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-21 21:37:49
July 21 2009 21:35 GMT
#9263
On July 22 2009 04:32 MYM.Testie wrote:
In a pub where they can't push, bfury is fine.
In a clan war, no.
no.
no.

I see ppl go Bfury before boots lol
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
July 21 2009 21:44 GMT
#9264
On July 22 2009 04:08 Alventenie wrote:
vlads is good for naga, it gives his images armor and it allows naga to get diffusal for her orb. you shouldnt get bfury though. treads manta vlads diffusal heart bfly is good enough on her to carry.


vlads is not good for naga. it does not give the images armour and if it did that would not be useful. the only thing vlads does for naga is make it even more obvious which one is real.

you also imply that all melee/dps heroes have to get lifesteal. no.

also lol "don't worry, this 20k of items is good enough to carry"
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Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
July 21 2009 22:27 GMT
#9265
On July 22 2009 06:44 Lachrymose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2009 04:08 Alventenie wrote:
vlads is good for naga, it gives his images armor and it allows naga to get diffusal for her orb. you shouldnt get bfury though. treads manta vlads diffusal heart bfly is good enough on her to carry.


vlads is not good for naga. it does not give the images armour and if it did that would not be useful. the only thing vlads does for naga is make it even more obvious which one is real.

you also imply that all melee/dps heroes have to get lifesteal. no.

also lol "don't worry, this 20k of items is good enough to carry"



im not saying she has to get all of that, but that is a good item build for her. Also, vlads is good for naga, and when people say it isnt i wonder why most top level players get vlads on her. Alot of people get it on her because it IS good, it gives damage for team/aura for team/armor. It does give her life steal which is good since you dont have heart til way later in the game. She normally doesnt go other regen items if she goes treads/diffusal/bfly, so a vlads is relatively cheap to make and quick to get due to the small parts.

I dont imply all melee/dps heroes get lifesteal, but vlads lets them get a 2nd orb if they were wanting lifesteal.
Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
July 21 2009 22:29 GMT
#9266
the aura is visible on all images, if that's what you mean by showing "which one is real"

armor doesn't work, that's right. but it still gives the damage buff from vlads. and a lot of dps heroes should get lifesteal. it's good on tons of them.
UNFUCK YOURSELF
nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
July 21 2009 22:32 GMT
#9267
You tell'em Alv!
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
July 21 2009 22:32 GMT
#9268
Vlads also isn't terrible on naga for the above reasons stated, but also because when the lanes are too tough for her or pushed too far, it allows her to jungle during the time when she literally can't do anything.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13197 Posts
July 21 2009 22:41 GMT
#9269
On July 22 2009 07:32 MYM.Testie wrote:
Vlads also isn't terrible on naga for the above reasons stated, but also because when the lanes are too tough for her or pushed too far, it allows her to jungle during the time when she literally can't do anything.


pfff, is throwing nets like you just dont CARE considered useless?
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OneBlueAugust
Profile Joined September 2004
United States153 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-21 23:29:06
July 21 2009 23:17 GMT
#9270
I don't think it's useless, but it's a pretty big delay (2125 gold I think?) to the more important items (diffusal / manta / heart), especially with a hero that doesn't typically farm well / needs babysitting. In my head, it's like getting vlads on spectre... most of the reasons are the same.

And I can see getting it for farming, but even then, when the lanes are pushed way out, you can usually just image and let them tank, so the lifesteal won't help that much. For the same amount of gold you can get your ultimate orb, which buffs your images, your health / armor / mana pool, and turns into manta.

I don't think I've ever seen a pro replay with siren in it, so obviously I haven't seen how the pros do it. But conceptually speaking, it seems like a pretty big investment for not much return. You're over halfway to a diffusal (with the same easy buildup) by the time you get your vlads, so why not just get a diffusal? Especially since lifesteal in the early game isn't nearly as good as an early purge, and the damage aura won't help much as physical dps isn't very high until mid game. And if you're getting it after diffusal, you could be getting an ultimate orb / yasha instead, and then on to Manta and super-pushing. I don't think there's a good reason to delay that for vlads, since there's a window where you'll be ridiculously strong if you can get a quick diffusal and manta. And after manta, obviously you'd be going for a heart, not a vlads...

Just doesn't make sense to me, although I can see why you'd get it if you're not trying to be ultra-economical, or if you're farming super well. Seems like there's always better items to get, though. I know you should always have a vlads on your team, but there's a lot better carriers for it, imo.
Richard, you never told me you were a dick! Not that you had to...
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 21 2009 23:45 GMT
#9271
decent second item, diffusal is too much of a damage increase to pass up.
Get it by your hands...
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13197 Posts
July 21 2009 23:57 GMT
#9272
why is there a password on the dota vent -_-
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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-22 00:01:30
July 22 2009 00:00 GMT
#9273
On July 22 2009 08:57 paper wrote:
why is there a password on the dota vent -_-


because it's a public vent now ;;
public = open to everyone
everyone = contains dumb individuals who think it's funny to spam vent (hint: it's not)
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
July 22 2009 00:00 GMT
#9274
Because people from Starcraft are faggots and people from dota rock.
At least on vent the above sentence has been true.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
July 22 2009 00:01 GMT
#9275
To keep out all the testie-sc fanboys obv
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
Elemenope
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
July 22 2009 00:01 GMT
#9276
Remote Mine tree owns all ;3
In DotA you could
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13197 Posts
July 22 2009 00:03 GMT
#9277
so uh, what's the pword? PM/IM me!

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nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
July 22 2009 00:06 GMT
#9278
Think something retarded elemenope spams
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13197 Posts
July 22 2009 00:25 GMT
#9279
he spams a lot of random shit

:3

but i got it bwahaha
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Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
July 22 2009 08:06 GMT
#9280
On July 22 2009 07:29 404.Nitrogen wrote:
the aura is visible on all images, if that's what you mean by showing "which one is real"

armor doesn't work, that's right. but it still gives the damage buff from vlads. and a lot of dps heroes should get lifesteal. it's good on tons of them.


it doesn't give the damage either. the only aura images get is the goblin taskmaster's speed aura. yes, it shows +X in their damage, however just like the lifesteal animation it doesn't actually mean the images get it.

naga isn't typical of a dps hero. a good portion of her dps is from images and mana burn, which won't contribute to her lifesteal. she is also jungling machine and really doesn't need lifesteal for it, especially now with how cheap mirror is.

what i mean by showing you which is real is the armour. unlike the damage which is faked on the images the armour is only shown on the real naga. most of the time you will know which is real anyway due to aoe or net, but sometimes (chasing) it can come in handy.

the only pro replay i've seen of naga was loda, he didn't get vlads.
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