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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 24 2009 05:39 GMT
#1261
Another random tier list, this one by Mago (source, srk thread).

S Sagat
A Akuma/Gouki, Ryu
B Honda, Abel, Zangief
C Balrog/Boxer, Chunli, Rufus, C Viper
D Bison/Dictator, Ken, Blanka
E El Fuerte, Dhalsim
F Vega/Claw, Guile

+ Show Spoiler [explanations (translation: Azrael)] +

I don't have a lot of confidence in this translation, because he used a lot of terms I'm not too familiar with, but here we go anyway...


FROM HERE, THESE ARE MAGO'S WORDS.


Honestly speaking, this is a game where the compatibility of the character and the player make all the difference - so, tiers can’t really be counted on. But I just wanted to take a shot at making a tier list, so here we are.

I’ll talk a bit about each character.

Sagat
No complaints. But there aren’t really a whole lot of characters who can stick it to him. But if he had more 6.5 - 3.5 matchups then he’d probably be more common, so you can play him strongly. Even when you are down, he can come back in an instant, making him a stupidly powerful tank. The only character who can threaten his position is Akuma.

Akuma
This is a character that’s still being worked out. When we do figure him out, I can see him easily making S rank. His damage output, footsies, and wakeup game are top class, but he’s lacking in the all-important vitality, which is why he’s here for the moment.

Ryu
An all-purpose character who has all the essential tools. But since he has so many tools to work with, his difficulty to use is also top class. If you use him well, you can gain an advantage over all the characters, but I don’t think you’ll ever have a 7 - 3 match in your favor.

E.Honda
This guy is unexpectedly strong. He has a tough time against Sagat and Chun, and Ryu and Akuma give him slight problems. But I think he has an advantage over everyone else…perhaps?

Abel
He has some problems against Ryu and Sagat. It’s probably a 4.5 - 5.5 matchup against both. Akuma can be difficult, but with Abel’s damage output and depending on playstyle you can pull out a win. He also also problems against Gief and Rufus, but to do this well against the upper classes is more than enough to earn him this spot.

Zangief
He has lots of advantages, but his weaknesses against Sagat and Akuma really hurt. Perhaps a slight disadvantage against Ryu as well, but he tends to dominate the characters below him.

Balrog (Boxer)
This was a character who was considered to be really strong before, but now the general feeling is not so much? But he does have good moves and plenty of advantages, so he gets this spot.

Chun-Li
She really benefits from the game system. She has a slight disadvantage against Sagat, but lately people are starting to think that she has an advantage against Ryu. She’s great for her speed and wakeup pressure, but with her low health, if she gets rushed down she can die in a hurry. So using her is very difficult. She doesn’t have a lot of bad matchups, and except for Akuma she can fight with the top class characters, so she gets this spot.

Rufus
There’s never been a character so hard to tier. When he works, he works. When he doesn’t, he doesn’t. He’s this kind of character. His footsies are horrible, but in close he can really do some damage. To put it simply, he works against characters he can get in on, and doesn’t against characters he can’t.

C.Viper
People said before that she could possibly be broken, but now that things have calmed down she falls into this spot? She has a disadvantage against Sagat, and Ryu is also a tough fight. She also possibly has problems against Akuma. She also has a few other bad matchups. But her damage output and wakeup games land her this spot.

Bison (Dictator)
Same with Balrog, before people thought he was pretty strong, but now he’s probably around here. He can hang with Ryu and Akuma, but he’s got a lot of bad matchups and not enough solid good matchups.

Ken
He’s like a poor man’s Rufus. He can’t deal as much damage in close as Rufus, but he does have more options. Against the characters you can get in on its fine, but against the characters who have a good keep away game its harder for Ken to get in than Rufus.

Blanka
Not really a whole lot I can say about him.

El Fuerte
The character based on luck. His moves are all sorta cheap, but they’re all hard to defend against. Against Sagat, his run throws and splashes work well, and he can kill him just with that. But he has low health, and if he can’t get in he can’t do damage, so he has a lot of difficult situations. He can cause problems and be completely stumped.

Dhalsim
Although he can fight pretty evenly with Sagat, Ryu, and Akuma, honestly speaking he is at a slight disadvantage. Sagat is about 4 - 6 perhaps? There are other characters against whom he has a disadvantage, and he doesn’t have a lot of advantageous matchups.

Vega (Claw)
Is he really this weak? I have to wonder… But he does end up second to last here. But there aren’t many people who use him around me so I’m not really sure.

Guile
He has almost no good matchups. Perhaps a slight advantage against Bison? It takes a lot of work to win his bad matchups, so using him requires a lot of skill. A really unfortunate character.
Shade692003
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada702 Posts
July 24 2009 08:12 GMT
#1262
Honda B? Dictator D? wut.
I hate the post below mine because it feels War3-ish.
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
July 24 2009 08:21 GMT
#1263
On July 24 2009 14:39 Myrmidon wrote:
Another random tier list, this one by Mago (source, srk thread).

S Sagat
A Akuma/Gouki, Ryu
B Honda, Abel, Zangief
C Balrog/Boxer, Chunli, Rufus, C Viper
D Bison/Dictator, Ken, Blanka
E El Fuerte, Dhalsim
F Vega/Claw, Guile


Thanks for posting. This is recent right?

I use Dhalsim as my main, he feels like at least a B class if played perfectly, bordering on A. At my level, it is hell to get in close on Dhalsim. However, Japanese are figuring out things all the time. Also surprising to see Viper taking a big drop from A down to C.
[X]Domain - I just do the website. Nothing more.
Shade692003
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada702 Posts
July 24 2009 09:02 GMT
#1264
This list is shit imo
I hate the post below mine because it feels War3-ish.
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1936 Posts
July 24 2009 09:07 GMT
#1265
On July 24 2009 18:02 Shade692003 wrote:
This list is shit imo


I like it tbh, first list where abel gets the credit he deserves!

Boxer placement seems odd but understandable I suppose. Surprised Honda is so high. A few other oddities like how low sim is, when I think he does well enough vs the top characters to warrant being higher.

But cool to see a list + some level of reasoning for once :>
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
July 24 2009 09:16 GMT
#1266
I must say that list looks a bit odd but i might be true since the game keeps changing so much...

I must say Im fuckin retarded... my 2 mains are Guile and Claw wtf so sad huh? I got perfected in evo by ryan hart's sagat LOL

anyhow.. after watching Arturo Sanchez play Dhalsim... I wanna start playin sim... I admire him.. so fuckin patient and smart man ... and ed ma's akuma is fuckin insane
w/e
zizou21
Profile Joined September 2006
United States3683 Posts
July 24 2009 10:37 GMT
#1267
im no expert, but that tier list looks like shit to me :<
its me, tasteless,s roomate LOL!
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
July 24 2009 13:32 GMT
#1268
On July 24 2009 19:37 zizou21 wrote:
im no expert, but that tier list looks like shit to me :<


meh looks about right

ive always thought abel was unlocked potential and i could see him getting high up there. sick damage, good wakeup game, easy comboable ultra, great poke that links into MASSIVE damage (1 frame i hear thou ) and great overall mixups.

only part of teh tierlist i disagree is honda so high and fuerte so low. honda should go down one tier and fuerte up one tier imo.
Forever Young
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 24 2009 14:41 GMT
#1269
The list is from 07-13-09, but again it's just Mago's opinion from his blog post. He's the #1 ranked player in Japan on the arcade BP system (and historically known as a multi-game "2D god" of fighters), playing Sagat in the Tokyo area I think. Or at least he shows up to those TRF tournaments all the time. Note that Akimo (#1 Honda) also plays in those tournaments, and increasingly more Hondas are entering and doing decently. Also, this tier list along with others usually consider the difficulty of a character's average matchup without weighting matchups versus top tiers as more important. This means IMO that Honda and Gief are less practical than simple tier listing would suggest, and Dhalsim and maybe El Fuerte are a little low.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12248 Posts
July 24 2009 15:37 GMT
#1270
As a Zangief player that's pretty much how I'd map out the tier list too. I'd consider myself better than the run-of-the-mill Ryu that fireballs a thousand times, deep Shoryu on jump-in, and escape Tatsu when he gets in the corner (this is over half the players in G1 in my experience). There are other, similar keepaway matchups but this is the easiest to describe. Anyway, they barely have to do anything skillful to clutch that win, but I have to really struggle a lot of the time to get in and do some damage. I'd say Mago has it right in that everyone who is below Zangief is relatively easy to beat (with many times Guile and Vega being an exception) but against the equal and higher-tier characters it's quite difficult. I beat Rockuma whose Akuma usually rocks my face after a pretty grueling match yesterday, but it sure was an ordeal :>
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
July 24 2009 21:33 GMT
#1271
Man wtf, how is blanka so low, That guy has some serious mixups as well as good priorty on most of his moves (and damage) and he has pretty big life. And he didn't even leave any comments on him at all? wtf kind of list is this, where is the respect for the Saikyo style also?
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
July 24 2009 21:42 GMT
#1272
To be honest, I can't take Mago seriously anymore, after listening to Pyrolee's story about him...

http://www.sendspace.com/file/k2nrge
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
July 24 2009 21:59 GMT
#1273
" So Mago teabagged you?"

lol i love rock
Forever Young
inReacH
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Sweden1612 Posts
July 24 2009 23:12 GMT
#1274
A video I put together..

zizou21
Profile Joined September 2006
United States3683 Posts
July 24 2009 23:20 GMT
#1275
its me, tasteless,s roomate LOL!
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-25 03:58:05
July 25 2009 03:56 GMT
#1276
wow viper becomes so much more fun once u figure out how to do her repeatable seismo's and her double fierce combos (still working on this). she plays best whenever they're a knockdown or when the viper play has momentum going for her. but i guess i play scared and panic with viper alot which usually leads to my loss

viper's so hard to use but so rewarding

but i still cry when i get hit with something like a gief ultra or a giant rufus ultra combo

and lol 10 people on my PSN friends list is playing KOF12 atm
Forever Young
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
July 25 2009 10:10 GMT
#1277
On July 25 2009 08:20 zizou21 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ9xDn0l88k


LOL this video made me laugh so hard...

my friend (from real life the one who taught me how to play sf4 and still does lol) has like 3 videos of him beating the shit out of darksydephil with abel... and all he keeps saying is what the fuck cAN I DOOO!!!! I cant dooo shiiiit lol
w/e
Shade692003
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada702 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-25 12:50:11
July 25 2009 12:50 GMT
#1278
omg hahah, that was comedic gold
I hate the post below mine because it feels War3-ish.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-26 00:17:13
July 26 2009 00:16 GMT
#1279
It's all a show according to him,


last couple of minutes he explains that
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
July 26 2009 04:20 GMT
#1280
He actually looks like a nice guy... no more of that fagget laugh LOL
w/e
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